What of the dinosaurs?

[Straightshot]

"You say you don't deal with evidence, then say you want evidence? You look for evidence, when you wouldn't know the evidence, if it were a locomotive that hit you in the rear? Been there, done that. Trolling more, and enjoying it less?"


This response to the agnostic evolutionist is a classic !!!

A dagger in the heart of the naysayer

The Word of the Lord is sharper than any two-edged sword

I love it

 

[ColinCat]

CC, do you consider the Bible, evidence? Why or why not?

I ask because most of the time people who demand this have a very narrow view of evidence and often are engaging in circular reasoning unaware.

For instance, what would you consider acceptable evidence for a miracle?

As I've said before. The bible is not evidence for a claim. The bible IS the claim.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

You know what would end this once and for all Swordsman?

Evidence. That's all it takes to end this right now.

If you can't lean on faith in the word of God then you are in effect one of "them". Men of God in science fields are examining the same empirical evidence the atheists see. There is no logical denial of that. Data is data. The difference is in the heart of the conclusions. One 'concluder' is against God and holiness and accountability, while the other is for God, holiness, and accountability. Until Jesus forces His enemies to bow, the debate can't be ended in this part of existence. Meanwhile many former opponents are bowing already as their eyes are opened to truth. It will conclude with who sided with God, and who sided with Satan.

 

[Straightshot]

"As I've said before. The bible is not evidence for a claim. The bible IS the claim"


It is both

But not to be considered .... right?

Well you are in the majority so you must be on the right road

That is OK with me .... there is a way that leads to eternal life, and there will be few that find it

Evidence?

True, or not true?

Who said this?

 

[JackH]

BTW, here's the Genesis 3D movie project Eric Hovind is working on. Eric is a good guy, and that tells me his father may not be the demon Jack is accusing him of. It's so sad when christians act like Jack. I guess he feels if he points out the sins of others, it makes him look better.

[video=youtube;H1rKmD-MAco]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H1rKmD-MAco[/video]

The problem with your "ton of evidence" you refer to in your response to me (Post #800) is that most of it is like this.

That's just what would convince me. A video from Dr. Dino's son that costs $99 the last time I checked.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Exactly.

The topic of this thread is dinosaurs.

What I want to see is evidence that humans and dinosaurs coexisted, as the Institution for Creation Research, Answers in Genesis (Ken Ham), Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind), YECs in this thread, et al, somehow manage to state emphatically with a straight face.

What would convince me?

Fossils of humans and dinosaurs found together with T. rex bite marks on the crushed human bones.

OK, how could middle east people have association with man-eating dinosaurs only located in the region of N. America, which was by any standards of science, far removed from the people of the Bible? The people of the Bible knew practically a thing of the far East, much less the part of Pangaea that ended up on the other side of the planet? I have asked for a response to that repeatedly, leading me to believe no reply is an indication of your deep-seated deceptions.

Deal with this! Do so without deferring to atheist websites. This is in my mind is a final conclusion of the propagation of your deception originated by Satan himself. If you can't reply with scriptural support apart from atheist supports, then you are among the deceived among the damned.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Oh, Lord, what distress that one soul can't be brought back intact! Jesus. Please reveal yourself like you did for me in 1976, a man saturated with humanistic science, destined for hell. You took my shovel away to help me keep from digging a deeper foxhole in Hell.

 

[ColinCat]

What is this Data that's being examined?

I'd like to see it

 

[ColinCat]

"As I've said before. The bible is not evidence for a claim. The bible IS the claim"


It is both

But not to be considered .... right?

Well you are in the majority so you must be on the right road

That is OK with me .... there is a way that leads to eternal life, and there will be few that find it

Evidence?

True, or not true?

Who said this?

No it can't be both. Thats circular reasoning.

I said the sky is pink. Its true because I said it is.

 

[JackH]

OK, how could middle east people have association with man-eating dinosaurs only located in the region of N. America, which was by any standards of science, far removed from the people of the Bible? The people of the Bible knew practically a thing of the far East, much less the part of Pangaea that ended up on the other side of the planet? I have asked for a response to that repeatedly, leading me to believe no reply is an indication of your deep-seated deceptions.

Deal with this! Do so without deferring to atheist websites. This is in my mind is a final conclusion of the propagation of your deception originated by Satan himself. If you can't reply with scriptural support apart from atheist supports, then you are among the deceived among the damned.

Personally, I don't believe that any humans in the Mid East ever saw any dinosaurs up close and personal. The artwork and such that has been offered in this thread as "proof" that humans and dinosaurs coexisted has been pretty well debunked, in my opinion.

But since you mentioned man-eating dinosaurs in North America, let's go there.

Most of the T. rex skeletons and many other dinosaurs have been discovered in the Hell Creek Formation. So, according to your scenario, these dinosaurs were created around 6,000 years ago. Right?

Were they created right there in Montana? We know T. rex ended up in Montana. Now, your global flood killed all the dinosaurs except the ones on the ark? Right? So T. rex had to get to Montana. How did T. rex and all those other dinosaurs found at Hell Creek get to Montana between the Flood and the Ice Age you believe wiped out all the dinosaurs that survived the Flood and produced little dinos? And there is what, 1000 to 1500 years between your global Flood and Ice Age that wiped out all the dinosaurs found there at Hell Creek?

I'm trying to understand the logistics of your scenario. I can't get it to work out to be anything but a fairy tale.

 

[Straightshot]

"I said the sky is pink. Its true because I said it is'


What ever turns you on dude ..... and you say there is no God ..... because you say there is not

.... and you can't prove either of your precepts

Let those who have ears hear .... and who have eyes see

Your whole agenda has no foundation .... and this is your problem to solve

When you are on your death bed, come back and we will talk about it

 

[ColinCat]

"I said the sky is pink. Its true because I said it is'


What ever turns you on dude ..... and you say there is no God ..... because you say there is not

.... and you can't prove either of your precepts

Let those who have ears hear .... and who have eyes see

Your whole agenda has no foundation .... and this is your problem to solve

When you are on your death bed, come back and we will talk about it

Your the one making a positive claim with no foundation. And because you have no foundation for your claim is the reason I reject it.

Nice try shifting the burden of proof.

 

[Calminian]

As I've said before. The bible is not evidence for a claim. The bible IS the claim.

So then would you discredit all historical evidence? Do you believe there's any evidence for Alexander the Great's or Napoleon's existence? By your own words all we have are claims by corroborating ancient documents which you discount out of hand. But the biblical records are authentic ancient historical documents. In fact they have many times more manuscript evidence than that any other ancient document. I'm wondering if you take this approach to all history, or just single out your disbelief toward the 66 books of the Bible?

 

[Calminian]

The problem with your "ton of evidence" you refer to in your response to me (Post #800) is that most of it is like this.

That's just what would convince me. A video from Dr. Dino's son that costs $99 the last time I checked.

Thank you for proving my point. For you every response is about distorting rather than finding answers. You're a religious person trying to filter out everything that doesn't agree with your view of the world. I've never actually seen you respond to any of the good posts people have offered you. If they stump you just just ignore them, and respond to other things. Typical stubborn blind believer.

 

[ColinCat]

So then would you discredit all historical evidence? Do you believe there's any evidence for Alexander the Great's or Napoleon's existence? By your own words all we have are claims by corroborating ancient documents which you discount out of hand. But the biblical records are authentic ancient historical documents. In fact they have many times more manuscript evidence than that any other ancient document. I'm wondering if you take this approach to all history, or just single out your disbelief toward the 66 books of the Bible?

The claims of the historical figures you mention don't involve talking snakes, magic trees, dead people coming back to life etc.


I reject extraordinary claims without evidence, regardless of what the book is.

 

[Calminian]

The claims of the historical figures you mention don't involve talking snakes, magic trees, dead people coming back to life etc.


I reject extraordinary claims without evidence, regardless of what the book is.

Okay, but that's bias, not an evaluation of the evidence. And who decides what's extraordinary?

You're basically saying that if historical evidence supports your world view you believe it, and if it doesn't you don't. But this is not an evidential approach, that's a religious approach and circular reasoning at best.

 

[SoulWeaver]

[video=youtube;3t-13_cxU8o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t-13_cxU8o[/video]

These are amazing specifics, but this in this video is so TINY part of the fulfilled prophecy that is not even funny... And when I show atheists the fulfilled prophecy with amazing specifics, they claim "oh, but the Jewish books must have been changed after the fact". However, this is not logical for two reasons:

1. Part of Dead Sea Scrolls - which prove the authenticity of Old testament, the source of Messianic prophecy - are dated much before the birth of Christ. There are also other documents but I wont go into it now. New Testament is backed up with about 20.000. very early copies. Know of any other book in history backed up like this???
2. The pharisees did not want Jesus as Messiah and surely they would NOT change the Judaic sacred texts to conform JESUS... That was about the last thing they wanted and this is known historically. The Old testament was much safer from changes in the favor of Jesus than if it was in the hands of atheists, bet on that

The fulfillment of prophecy required the agreement of enemies, the Jews and the Romans.
Furthermore, the prophecy of the destruction of the temple is backed up with written and dated sources, and there are also historical sources when the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D. happened as prophecied.
I know atheists probably wont observe proofs, I rather post this for the strenghtening of faith and encouragment and how amazing and wise and powerful and good is the God we serve.

 

[JackH]

Thank you for proving my point. For you every response is about distorting rather than finding answers. You're a religious person trying to filter out everything that doesn't agree with your view of the world. I've never actually seen you respond to any of the good posts people have offered you. If they stump you just just ignore them, and respond to other things. Typical stubborn blind believer.

That sounds biographical, all about you.

The topic of this thread is dinosaurs.

I am willing to consider any and all evidence.

The overwhelming body of evidence indicates to me that dinosaurs became extinct more than 65 million years ago, and never coexisted with humans. That conclusion is shared by many Christian leaders and denominations.

I have read and considered the information you YECs have presented, mostly from sources like Institute for Creation Research, Answers in Genesis, and Dr. Dino and son.

A person who is posting on this thread, Dr. Hurd, has debunked just about every bit of YEC nonsense that has been offered, as far as I can tell.

It's a matter of credibility.

You YECs don't have much.

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

Originally Posted by Word_Swordsman

I have but one comment today to the skeptics and scorners of truth here...Get thee behind me Satan.

No thanks. I prefer to stay ahead of you.

Not to be argumentative, but I'd rather not have Mr. Sword behind me. I might get a sore neck trying to guard my back, or I might need to bend down.

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

Mr. Sword starts from an incorrect presumption that his false biblical interpretations are "Christian." They are not. He promotes frauds and lies associated with reality denial copied from creationist websites. He assumes a position of sanctimony and moral superiority that reminds me of of [FONT=&quot]Matthew 6:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]5.[/FONT]

I have not started a thread here yet at Christian Chat, but I am inclined to do one on the particular falsehood that creationists are "more" Christian than people grounded in reality.

First, there are more Christians who are not young earth creationists than Christians who are young earth creationists.

Second, there are literally billions of creationists who are not Christian.

Third, Young Earth Creationism is anti-scriptural.

But, this thread is about Dinosaurs. Mr. Sword has nothing productive to share about dinosaurs.