What role does obedience play in salvation?

[gotime]

gotime please share your insight on why we receive the Holy Spirit..

What a precious gift our savour has granted us, The indwelling Spirit. The power of God in us giving us victory.

First the Spirit is gained by simply asking:

Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

God longs to bless us with his Spirit. So faith is the way to get the Spirit.

But the work of the Spirit is to sanctify us as it is written:

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

In the name of Jesus our Lord the Spirit washes us and sanctifies us and justifies us. Washing away the dirt of sin.

The spirit changes us as it is written:

2Co_3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

We become like Jesus the Glory of Gods character is made in us by the Spirit.

It is the Spirit that brings strength into us and Christ dwells in us as it is written:

Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

I love that, He can do way more than we can ask or imagine. Why should we lack faith in our Gods ability to transform us with such promises?

The Spirit is the one who leads us through the word that we may be sanctified or made holy as it is written:

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

We are made holy by the truth and notice the role of the Spirit:

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

This is why Jesus died, it was not just to forgive as good as that is but also:

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

This is done by the Spirit and we will end up with the fruit of the Spirit.

That is a little, I would love to hear some other things about the Spirit if you would share..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)

Nothing further needs to be said or considered.

The will of God which must be done.

John 6: [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. [SUP]39 [/SUP]This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Nothing else needs to be said or added!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What a precious gift our savour has granted us, The indwelling Spirit. The power of God in us giving us victory.

First the Spirit is gained by simply asking:

Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

God longs to bless us with his Spirit. So faith is the way to get the Spirit.

But the work of the Spirit is to sanctify us as it is written:

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

In the name of Jesus our Lord the Spirit washes us and sanctifies us and justifies us. Washing away the dirt of sin.

The spirit changes us as it is written:

2Co_3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

We become like Jesus the Glory of Gods character is made in us by the Spirit.

It is the Spirit that brings strength into us and Christ dwells in us as it is written:

Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

I love that, He can do way more than we can ask or imagine. Why should we lack faith in our Gods ability to transform us with such promises?

The Spirit is the one who leads us through the word that we may be sanctified or made holy as it is written:

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

We are made holy by the truth and notice the role of the Spirit:

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

This is why Jesus died, it was not just to forgive as good as that is but also:

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

This is done by the Spirit and we will end up with the fruit of the Spirit.

That is a little, I would love to hear some other things about the Spirit if you would share..

so all you need to do is ask and you will receive?

You seemed to go way above what was asked. and I just want to be sure.

 

[gotime]

so all you need to do is ask and you will receive?

You seemed to go way above what was asked. and I just want to be sure.

What does the word say?

Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Luk 11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Luk 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Luk 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

The ask is in the continuous so we should ask daily. keep asking hence the Parable:

Luk 11:5 And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;
Luk 11:6 For a friend of mine in his journey is come to me, and I have nothing to set before him?
Luk 11:7 And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee.
Luk 11:8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.

 

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What does the word say?

Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Luk 11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Luk 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Luk 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

The ask is in the continuous so we should ask daily. keep asking hence the Parable:

Luk 11:5 And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;
Luk 11:6 For a friend of mine in his journey is come to me, and I have nothing to set before him?
Luk 11:7 And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee.
Luk 11:8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.

So we have to ask everyday to be given the HS, or we will not be granted eternal life?

 

[gotime]

So we have to ask everyday to be given the HS, or we will not be granted eternal life?

Jesus said:

Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

But how do we receive Christ by faith?

Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith...

 

[loveme1]

What a precious gift our savour has granted us, The indwelling Spirit. The power of God in us giving us victory.

First the Spirit is gained by simply asking:

Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

God longs to bless us with his Spirit. So faith is the way to get the Spirit.

But the work of the Spirit is to sanctify us as it is written:

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

In the name of Jesus our Lord the Spirit washes us and sanctifies us and justifies us. Washing away the dirt of sin.

The spirit changes us as it is written:

2Co_3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

We become like Jesus the Glory of Gods character is made in us by the Spirit.

It is the Spirit that brings strength into us and Christ dwells in us as it is written:

Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

I love that, He can do way more than we can ask or imagine. Why should we lack faith in our Gods ability to transform us with such promises?

The Spirit is the one who leads us through the word that we may be sanctified or made holy as it is written:

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

We are made holy by the truth and notice the role of the Spirit:

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

This is why Jesus died, it was not just to forgive as good as that is but also:

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

This is done by the Spirit and we will end up with the fruit of the Spirit.

That is a little, I would love to hear some other things about the Spirit if you would share..

Thank you so much my friend, so many here are gifted to articulate so beautifully the Truth.

The feeling of being Baptized with the Holy Spirit is What I call Amazing Grace where the blind and lost can see and are found by their Good Shepherd..

It was Grace that taught my heart to fear and Grace my fears relieved.. how precious indeed the hour I first believed.

Now for most of my life this song I would love but did not perceive... only after Being born again did I come to perceive the words...

By GOD's Grace I'm new inwardly and the love shown fills me with such hope and comfort.. and I'm being lead home from within... which is Christ within.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus said:

Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

But how do we receive Christ by faith?

Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith...

Why is it you all can not give a direct answer. Like this yes and no question, where you still could have said what you said, But a yes or no would have solved all the questions I asked.

so again, Do we have to ask for the HS every day to receive eternal life? Yes or no.

 

[loveme1]

We have the Lord's Prayer to pray daily.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We have the Lord's Prayer to pray daily.

so we have to do this to stay saved?

 

[loveme1]

so we have to do this to stay saved?

We do this because we are saved.... it is not a ritual to remain saved...but goodness for our Spirit daily like the Lord teaches.

 

[loveme1]

Why is it you all can not give a direct answer. Like this yes and no question, where you still could have said what you said, But a yes or no would have solved all the questions I asked.

so again, Do we have to ask for the HS every day to receive eternal life? Yes or no.

Now there is a thought provoking statement...

Have you ever considered that we entertain not by answering your yes or no questions? Knowing that Christ within is to be our source daily.. to draw His goodness from the root to supply we branches to nourish us to bear good fruit? Should we ask to be Baptized each day when the Spirit that dwells bares witness we are the children of GOD so we need not to be born again with that already given daily.... No.. we were grafted in by believing.. thus we continue to believe unto the saving of our souls... lest the Husbandman deem us not in belief but high-minded and cast us off as not bearing fruit after He grafted us in so undeservingly...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now there is a thought provoking statement...

Have you ever considered that we entertain not by answering your yes or no questions? Knowing that Christ within is to be our source daily.. to draw His goodness from the root to supply we branches to nourish us to bear good fruit? Should we ask to be Baptized each day when the Spirit that dwells bares witness we are the children of GOD so we need not to be born again with that already given daily.... No.. we were grafted in by believing.. thus we continue to believe unto the saving of our souls... lest the Husbandman deem us not in belief but high-minded and cast us off as not bearing fruit after He grafted us in so undeservingly...

1. Have you ever considered that when you and people like you post things which relate to children of God in a how we are saved (i.e. A thread directed to non children of God) you are automatically going to be seen as trying to add works to salvation?
2. The Bible says we are sealed with the spirit until the day of redemption not just one time, but three times, have you ever considered when you ask God to give be you the HS over and over again you offend him because you are showing a lack of faith In What he promised?
3. Have you ever considered that saying yes or no would not only stop me, but many others from asking you all the same questions over and over?

 

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We do this because we are saved.... it is not a ritual to remain saved...but goodness for our Spirit daily like the Lord teaches.

was this so hard?

thank you,

now, why are we posting hints like this in a how one is saved thread? It seems to detract from the op does it not? They are not related

 

[gotime]

Thank you so much my friend, so many here are gifted to articulate so beautifully the Truth.

The feeling of being Baptized with the Holy Spirit is What I call Amazing Grace where the blind and lost can see and are found by their Good Shepherd..

It was Grace that taught my heart to fear and Grace my fears relieved.. how precious indeed the hour I first believed.

Now for most of my life this song I would love but did not perceive... only after Being born again did I come to perceive the words...

By GOD's Grace I'm new inwardly and the love shown fills me with such hope and comfort.. and I'm being lead home from within... which is Christ within.

praise God, what a lovely testimony.

I read your words and saw myself also. I have believed for many years but I did not understand. But now as you have testified I have seen and touched and do bear witness to the power of Christ within us. praise the Lord He is good.

 

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1. Have you ever considered that when you and people like you post things which relate to children of God in a how we are saved (i.e. A thread directed to non children of God) you are automatically going to be seen as trying to add works to salvation?
2. The Bible says we are sealed with the spirit until the day of redemption not just one time, but three times, have you ever considered when you ask God to give be you the HS over and over again you offend him because you are showing a lack of faith In What he promised?
3. Have you ever considered that saying yes or no would not only stop me, but many others from asking you all the same questions over and over?

I have considered much.. 1: we are sharing openly and nothing shared is without good honest intent.

2: Read what I shared the answer is there.

3: I did consider the matter and feel that ticking yes or no is not always sufficient and explanations and insight is good. And as much as you are presumptious and demand a yes or no.. much more develops when we question one and other.. it is usually the way you do it that I find the issue.. you will read something and then add to it because that is what you took from it even if it was not written.. which i have to come to love and accept you as you are..

 

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I have considered much.. 1: we are sharing openly and nothing shared is without good honest intent.

2: Read what I shared the answer is there.

3: I did consider the matter and feel that ticking yes or no is not always sufficient and explanations and insight is good. And as much as you are presumptious and demand a yes or no.. much more develops when we question one and other.. it is usually the way you do it that I find the issue.. you will read something and then add to it because that is what you took from it even if it was not written.. which i have to come to love and accept you as you are..

The reason this happens is because you never say yes or no, you just leave a few passages of scripture, which depending on how one interprets them, can be seen a few ways (the workers do not interpret like the grace people, so by not saying yes r no, we do not know how you interpret it.

as for sharing

you should share in a thread that talks about Christian growth, and all he God has given us to empower us as his children. Or open one up, if that is really what your talking about (this is a salvation thread not a sanctification thread)

again, sharing works in a salvation thread opens you to all kinds of scrutiny, and you will be asked questions to make sure you not teaching works, like you are, refusing to answer just leads to people thinking you preach works, there s no other way tor to plain it,

again, if you would say yes or no, and prove that by what you follow it with, then these questions would b answered.

ie, say yes, I believe one must ask for the HS every day otherwise you will lose salvation, or yes, I think we must find all those things gotime posted, or we will lose salvation, and this is why..

or say no, I do not believe any f those things, and this is why.

 

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praise God, what a lovely testimony.

I read your words and saw myself also. I have believed for many years but I did not understand. But now as you have testified I have seen and touched and do bear witness to the power of Christ within us. praise the Lord He is good.

so will this same powers keep you saved, r can salvation be lost if we do not work? (This s an obedience/works salvation thread, so they are logical questions considering the op!)

 

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The reason this happens is because you never say yes or no, you just leave a few passages of scripture, which depending on how one interprets them, can be seen a few ways (the workers do not interpret like the grace people, so by not saying yes r no, we do not know how you interpret it.

as for sharing

you should share in a thread that talks about Christian growth, and all he God has given us to empower us as his children. Or open one up, if that is really what your talking about (this is a salvation thread not a sanctification thread)

again, sharing works in a salvation thread opens you to all kinds of scrutiny, and you will be asked questions to make sure you not teaching works, like you are, refusing to answer just leads to people thinking you preach works, there s no other way tor to plain it,

again, if you would say yes or no, and prove that by what you follow it with, then these questions would b answered.

ie, say yes, I believe one must ask for the HS every day otherwise you will lose salvation, or yes, I think we must find all those things gotime posted, or we will lose salvation, and this is why..

or say no, I do not believe any f those things, and this is why.

Oh my im under Grace my dear.. a works person? GOD forbid. I believe in the Messiah as Son of GOD and I love and obey because I was loved and saved from myself... Grace, Love and Mercy... of GOD.

I leave Scripture believing all perceive I don't like to add too much and keep it brief.. because the Holy Spirit Baptism is a must for all and teaches us the Truth from within. We perceive from within.. but you speak of unbelievers and yes they are to Repent and Believe to receive. But they must seek GOD with their Heart which is GOD drawing and them listening and believing to receive the Truth that will set them free.

 

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Oh my im under Grace my dear.. a works person? GOD forbid. I believe in the Messiah as Son of GOD and I love and obey because I was loved and saved from myself... Grace, Love and Mercy... of GOD.

I leave Scripture believing all perceive I don't like to add too much and keep it brief.. because the Holy Spirit Baptism is a must for all and teaches us the Truth from within. We perceive from within.. but you speak of unbelievers and yes they are to Repent and Believe to receive. But they must seek GOD with their Heart which is GOD drawing and them listening and believing to receive the Truth that will set them free.

Amen, that is great then!

But why are you talking about christian growth in a thread which asks the question if obedience has a say in salvation?

If your saved by grace through faith, not works, like you just said, works do not enter the equation.

Now if we are talking about how a person who is already saved, then that is a different question altogether, and should we not leave that to threads concerning Christian growth?