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We each come boldly before the throne of grace. Grace that is always sufficient. For someone to
stand an announce its some new thing, is absurd! To make a call for people to receive through them
some new last days provision that is already ours for the asking, is probably a mediator and when
has that been good. How can sufficient grace be greater?
Is His grace something we judge? or is it a promise we believe by faith?
This are tests folks thats why the false teachers and prophets are here.
stand an announce its some new thing, is absurd! To make a call for people to receive through them
some new last days provision that is already ours for the asking, is probably a mediator and when
has that been good. How can sufficient grace be greater?
Is His grace something we judge? or is it a promise we believe by faith?
This are tests folks thats why the false teachers and prophets are here.
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Has Zone been offended and does she want a lollipop to ease the pain? Those that love the word nothing shall offend them (Ps 119:165). How about you Zone, you love the word so why have you been offended when you should have great peace?
Great peace have they which love thy law: and NOTHING shall offend them.
Great peace have they which love thy law: and NOTHING shall offend them.
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like this test Abiding? notice how the wonders and signs COME TO PASS? which means they actually happen.... the only problem is you assume that people know who God truly is to begin with and they worship Him as He has commanded...
Deuteronomy 13
1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
don't know Red she sounded more annoyed at nitpicking to me but anyways I love lollipops
Deuteronomy 13
1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
don't know Red she sounded more annoyed at nitpicking to me but anyways I love lollipops
In the past I have taken issue with your posts citing "Bob DeWaay", mostly for a sort of
imbalance in his position. Recently it has been posted on his church website that he has
been removed from office for this same [sort of] imbalance (see the blog and email from
his church below). I admit that he, not unlike you, brings up good issues, and in many
places has made valid and meaningful contribution -- indeed, this is what makes it so sad
for the fellowship and unity of believers. Pray for him, pray for us all...
It is this idea of ministries of finger pointing that is a waste of time. It points out others
errors, denying their truths, and not being able to take the truth apart from the error,
condemning and moving on. We must have a call to an alternative, holistic truth, and
stop the Chaos of chasing every heretic, deceiver, and apostate for chasing sake. Take
their truth, add it to your doctrinal statement, take their error, file it to Red Flags File,
Then address them, rebuke them, call to change ... Still can't get the 'context' down
It would be a Logical Fallacy Link -->> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/29676-logical-fallacies.html to say that " a person who says that
" 6 + 6 = 12", is a false teacher because he has an alcoholic problem". I am compassionate
with and empathetic to the pressures any preacher, or anyone outspoken on any issue is
under. The Narrow Path, the Straight Gate is THE WAY. We must find truth and detect
falseness, always calling back to the light of The Word.
Bob DeWaay removed from post at Twin City Fellowship:
This is the email that we received from them. Pastor Carl Johnson responded as follows:
January 7, 2011
Dear Ronny:
Thank you for your inquiry about Bob. It’s encouraging to hear from people
who are concerned about him. Allow me to set in place the events that
have happened. After it became known that Bob was addicted to alcohol,
we as Elders, realized that we had to remove him as pastor and elder based
on 1 Timothy 3:2,3,7 and Titus 1:6,7,8. Our intent as elders and as a church
is to restore Bob according to Galatians 6:1. This process has already been
under way now for sometime.
Bob recently finished rehab for substance abuse and is now back at church.
The elders and others are working with him to restore him back to
fellowship. Our hope and prayer is that down the road there will be aspects
of ministry that Bob will be able to serve in again. What his ultimate future
holds is still undetermined.
I can assure you that our congregation has responded in a very
compassionate and caring way and its desire is to see Bob grow from this
situation and to be restored back to the body.
Blessings,
Pastor Carl Johnson
Twin City Fellowship
St. Louis Park, MN 55426
Link -->> #0238sva- Update: Pastor Fired Over Addiction Where's God In All of This?Dear Ronny:
Thank you for your inquiry about Bob. It’s encouraging to hear from people
who are concerned about him. Allow me to set in place the events that
have happened. After it became known that Bob was addicted to alcohol,
we as Elders, realized that we had to remove him as pastor and elder based
on 1 Timothy 3:2,3,7 and Titus 1:6,7,8. Our intent as elders and as a church
is to restore Bob according to Galatians 6:1. This process has already been
under way now for sometime.
Bob recently finished rehab for substance abuse and is now back at church.
The elders and others are working with him to restore him back to
fellowship. Our hope and prayer is that down the road there will be aspects
of ministry that Bob will be able to serve in again. What his ultimate future
holds is still undetermined.
I can assure you that our congregation has responded in a very
compassionate and caring way and its desire is to see Bob grow from this
situation and to be restored back to the body.
Blessings,
Pastor Carl Johnson
Twin City Fellowship
St. Louis Park, MN 55426
Red, i prefer, as i asked you before privately (though you decided once already to publish my private pm), that we not do this part. we agree on the Gospel....let that be enough, because we don't agree on anything else.
i am not at all offended. neither am i intimidated.
what is truth will stand, what isn't will not.
i am not at all offended. neither am i intimidated.
what is truth will stand, what isn't will not.
Rightly said! So? Mackey exposes others on the behalf of the Masons, but the masons
cannot promote their own fallacies to the public either. It's like so many preachers today,
finger pointing and blaming the other false pastor. It's as if The Sharks are saying The
Jets are evil, and while it may be so, it confers no righteousness back to the Sharks. We
must address them all ...
They are like the Blind men and the Elephant ...
WITHOUT A FRAMEWORK - NO ONE SEES THE TRUTH
...
CONCLUSION.
And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
MORAL.
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
Link -->> from the thread: SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY, the Blind men and the Elephant ...
cannot promote their own fallacies to the public either. It's like so many preachers today,
finger pointing and blaming the other false pastor. It's as if The Sharks are saying The
Jets are evil, and while it may be so, it confers no righteousness back to the Sharks. We
must address them all ...
They are like the Blind men and the Elephant ...
WITHOUT A FRAMEWORK - NO ONE SEES THE TRUTH
...
CONCLUSION.
And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
MORAL.
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
Link -->> from the thread: SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY, the Blind men and the Elephant ...
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Maggie, The stuff i posted, is written, and researched by, a woman, who is a "dilliverence Minister" and NOT a cessationist. Iposted it, to show that its NOT just people who dont speak in tounges that know this stuff to be evil. There is a GREAT difference between "dissliking" a certain group, and allowing people to follow blindly, peopel who are leadign them astray. IF you want to CONTINUE backing the NAR, thats up to you. I dont think anyone is here to stop YOU from doign what you want.
But its TRUTH that these peopel are NOT doing the will of GOD, and i hope and pray they repent(if they even can)
Again, Pat Holliday, has written MUCH to expose these people, and SHE is NOT a cessationist. SO i figgured YOU may listen more to HER then to Zone.
But its TRUTH that these peopel are NOT doing the will of GOD, and i hope and pray they repent(if they even can)
Again, Pat Holliday, has written MUCH to expose these people, and SHE is NOT a cessationist. SO i figgured YOU may listen more to HER then to Zone.
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these verses come to mind
37And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41I receive not honour from men.
42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
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37And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41I receive not honour from men.
42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
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Your the crafty fella...bring the proof. 4runner. how is she doing anything you just said. what lies??
are you slandering because your feelings are hurt? Your the one with abhorrent views of scripture
which are not only wrong, they keep people preoccupied with themselves at the expense of the truth.
And a walk of faith.
Your trick is to make up all kinds of could be's and people think this or that. And the devil this or that,
Then poof out of your hat comes a silly manmade doctrine. I hope zone keeps you blistered till you stop
your personal campaign for your personal halftruth teachings. I was being generous with my opinion.
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Whose speaking truth? You? That old story of if you get corrected or rebuked.. its the devil..sure nuf
cuz your speaking truth. How can you be so conceited. Its an old and tacky line. Ill say some of your teachings
do not align with scripture, no not in any century. Your entitled to your opinions. Dont expect them to be accepted.
Give proof or knock off the slander. I know your crew gets off on it. But i sure dont.