Whatever people say the mark of the beast is: its a lie.

[Ahwatukee]

You are so right ~ "If any man thinks he knows he does not know as he should." I hear what you're saying. A humble spirit, it's hard to find. We think we have it all figured out? Now that's funny, yet, there are those all around us who think they have.

Thanks for the thread and reminder.

Good day Karraster!

The OP has completely taken that scripture out of context. Below is the actual scripture:

"Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves God is known by God."

Paul is speaking about eating food sacrificed to idols, where the OP has applied it to not being able to understand the meaning of the mark of the beast. This is perfect example of taking something out of its context. The OP would be inferring that believers can't be certain about what the word of God says, or the ability to understand prophesies.

 

[Ahwatukee]

If they say its being full of pride its a lie, if they say its being full of violence its a lie, if they say what the enemy said (you shall not die but shall be as gods), its a lie, if they say its mind control (mind control is witchcraft) it's a lie, if they say it's another god, well we covered that already, its a lie, if they say its a one world government its a lie, {there will be no unity without God, but a great destruction, though it will appear to succeed for a wile, the destruction that is}. How many lies do we have, we need seven and then 8: all liars. Revelation 21: 8 (sais it better) "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” So by the way if they say its rejecting the Holy Ghost, Jesus said this and its not from man so that's not a lie, and if they say not forgiving, Jesus also said this so neither is this a lie. If they say its being offended in the Truth, Jesus said this and He is the Truth so we cant argue. So then what does it mean to be offended in the Truth? go back to the first thing Jesus said. Yes those who reject the Holy Ghost will become full of violence, so violence is a lie? Yes violence is sin.
The Lord addressing the enemy, Ezekiel 28:16 "In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned;" does this sound familiar, unable to by sell or trade without the mark of the enemy. Do you still need to be fried with chips, go figure, I don't think they had chips back then, Genesis 6:11 "Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence."

Good day stillness!

Click on the link below and apply what the scriptures say regarding the mark in regards to buying and selling:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE

 

[garee]

I can see what you're getting at. But I'm not really sure myself. So many different takes on it. I've pondered it with God and, like with most things I try to perceive in my own understanding, cast it on Him and determine it settled in Jesus. I'm just gonna continue to trust that He will keep me through it all, because He's faithful.

Just a suggestion. Most doctrines are set up early in Genesis, as a rule of thumb they set the interpretation standard.

One of the standards. The beast of the field is identified as mankind created in the image of God. Created on day 6 ..

.6 is used in multiple of three establishes the end of the matter (666). Just as on day three His actual glory as God as Light . departed and was replaced with the temporal."The Sun and the Moon". This I would offer, is because mankind has become corrupt. 666 becomes the mark of natural unconverted men like Cain the first example of a mark in respect to a person who knew not God, not seen and had no desire to walk by faith as did his brother Abel. Cain in his anger to rid of the words of God which seemed as a plague when the gospel was brought by his brother, Abel . He murdered his brother to show he had no faith in a God not seen .as in out of sight out of mind or, I"m from Missouri seeing is believing. This set up the first example that the father of lies is a murder from the beginning. Cain as the example of faithless.

So then another first as a result of corruption. The foundation will not yield the strength it was designed. by the sweat of the brow they will eat .God had pulled back his hand of comfort and rest. Mankind 666 had become restless wanders without Christ suffering a living hell without God in the present world . A punishment that cain could not bear. One that Christ did bear

Note... (purple in parenthesis) my addition to try and make a point

When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, (mark my word, buy my truth ) lest any finding him should kill him. And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.Genesis 4:12-16

And Cain went out from the holy place set aside. The good ground from where Abel's blood cries out. And angel of lord protecting the way with his flaming sword . Sent him out into the world to spend the rest of his life suffering the pangs of hell. Which is suffering the consequences of sin , like the extra labor with no rest that is required eat in order to live. God in affect said "mark my word" .I am able to execute my judgement . No one will lay a hand on Him, as Cain did to his chosen elected one Abel .This always show us God is not served by human hands .No death penalty, putting and end to it. Cain worked it out till the end with no sabbath rest coming from God. .
That portion is changing my view point on prison reform.

 

[garee]

Good day stillness!

Click on the link below and apply what the scriptures say regarding the mark in regards to buying and selling:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE

What the next new innovation as a switch of the hand? Photo ID's that project holograms ? Retina scanners, heat sensor ID's? The imagination is the limit.

 

[calibob]

Good day Karraster!

The OP has completely taken that scripture out of context. Below is the actual scripture:

"Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves God is known by God."

Paul is speaking about eating food sacrificed to idols, where the OP has applied it to not being able to understand the meaning of the mark of the beast. This is perfect example of taking something out of its context. The OP would be inferring that believers can't be certain about what the word of God says, or the ability to understand prophesies.

It's quite a simple dilemma really. Either the word of God is true or it's a fairy tale. Now most of us realize translation mistakes have and do occur the overall messages of the word are unmistakable and since believing and being saved and filled with the Holy Spirit are undeniable to us. Trusting God's word are counted as righteousness. The enigma of pseudo science vs God's word, our only logical default is to trust God's word above all else. Our understanding is finite but his is infinite. When in doubt trust God. When something not of Gods word conflicts with human thinking trust Gods word only. I says there will be a mark of the beast, therefore their will be a mark of the beast. Even Einstein believed in intelligent creation. >

"Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble." Albert Einstein.

 

[Adelia]

If whatever people say it is; it's a lie...then any conversation here is pointless.

 

[garee]

It's quite a simple dilemma really. Either the word of God is true or it's a fairy tale. Now most of us realize translation mistakes have and do occur the overall messages of the word are unmistakable and since believing and being saved and filled with the Holy Spirit are undeniable to us. Trusting God's word are counted as righteousness. The enigma of pseudo science vs God's word, our only logical default is to trust God's word above all else. Our understanding is finite but his is infinite. When in doubt trust God. When something not of Gods word conflicts with human thinking trust Gods word only. I says there will be a mark of the beast, therefore their will be a mark of the beast. Even Einstein believed in intelligent creation. >

"Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble." Albert Einstein.

Then are you saying the mark will be literal as that seen? Or as a assurance that God is true the mark of His word? If it is a electronic device placed under the skin will they need a literal tattoo to prove the hidden electronic device.? What's next?

The things seen the temporal vs God's word the eternal as source of the unseen. ,Then our only logical default is to trust God's word above all else. Why would we look for a literal mark as the witness of men. Our understanding is finite but his is infinite.

 

[calibob]

Then are you saying the mark will be literal as that seen? Or as a assurance that God is true the mark of His word? If it is a electronic device placed under the skin will they need a literal tattoo to prove the hidden electronic device.? What's next?

The things seen the temporal vs God's word the eternal as source of the unseen. ,Then our only logical default is to trust God's word above all else. Why would we look for a literal mark as the witness of men. Our understanding is finite but his is infinite.

The exact mechanics of the mark are uncertain but the result is certain. It could be as simple as a pin #, an ATM card or an RFID but I am certain a cashless society will soon become prevalent in much of the world and it will try and over rule the worship of God and replace it with the worship of money which is the root of all evil. Most of the pieces exist now except that Christians are in the devil's way. Many believe that God is actively in control of the world. I do not. I believe God is actively in control of Christian's that have decided to ask him into our lives and the Devil is more in control of the worldly events Our choices are simple. Trust God or perish.

 

[garee]

The exact mechanics of the mark are uncertain but the result is certain. It could be as simple as a pin #, an ATM card or an RFID but I am certain a cashless society will soon become prevalent in much of the world and it will try and over rule the worship of God and replace it with the worship of money which is the root of all evil. Most of the pieces exist now except that Christians are in the devil's way. Many believe that God is actively in control of the world. I do not. I believe God is actively in control of Christian's that have decided to ask him into our lives and the Devil is more in control of the worldly events Our choices are simple. Trust God or perish.

While I am not saying that its seems like we are not heading towards a cashless society. We have survived them before. The bible does not say that or hint. I am saying the mark (not a sign as a wonder ) represents natural unconverted man using Cain as a teaching tool. This is in respect to the buying and selling as it relates to the gospel, spiritual truth .

The mark is more like as mark my word; I will perform that which is appointed to the creation or as said in Philippians 2. It is the Spirit of Christ who works in us, with us to both will and do his good pleasure. Again, Mark my word if I say he will not be murdered as he murdered his brother Abel I will finish, end of mark.

And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.Genesis 4:13-15

And the Lord set the mark or authority of His word upon Cain, That He would kill them that tried to interfere .Perhaps he did? Its the principle.

666 the mark of a restless wanderer (no sabbath rest) no softening of the heart. The Stony restless heart of natural man remains dead as granite.

Job 23: 9-16 gives us a companion to Philippians 2 :12-13 defining our imputed righteousness hid in Christ One of my favorite parables that hide the work of the gospel. .

On the left hand, where he doth work, but I cannot behold him: he hideth himself on the right hand, that I cannot see him: But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold. My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined. Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:Job 23: 9-16

 

[calibob]

I think the mark will replace money and the antichrist will come out of the world economic system. It wasn't history it is prophecy.

 

[calibob]

I think the opening volley of the great trib., based on military strategy will be the nuclear holocaust of North America because we are a threat to the new world order and a small percent of Americans Called Christians will object to Satins attempt at world domination. The non christians killed as well will be collateral damage. But the enemy is more Sociopathic than Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon and the Borgias combined. Lucifer knows he's going to hell eventually so like many lesser anti-christ's his goal is not victory. It's destruction of all he can. He's still bitter he got kicked out of heaven and sent to earth as punishment

 

[calibob]

THE USA is the most well armed nation on the planet. If we stand against the true enemies the most logical solution is to destroy it. A Contental version of Pearl Harbor.

The worship of money is Idolitry. The worship of drugs is Sorcery. The worsip of ceremony is false doctrine. Sacrificing unborn babies, is human sacrifice and the idea we can colonize Mars or Europa is the new astrology. Need I go on?

 

[calibob]

Rather that concentrate on doom and gloom I concentrate on Gods love, sharing the word and helping others. The end times cannot be stopped or postponed. Why bother? What we can do is love God first and love others as much as ourselves.

From Dr. Bob's farewell address;
"Our Twelve Steps, when simmered down to the last, resolve themselves into the words “love” and “service.” We understand what love is, and we understand what service is. So let's bear those two things in mind."

 

[tanakh]

Actually the scripture says:

"Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666."

Neither those churches, nor any of those following in the generations to come would be able to understand what the mark the is, nor its calculation. Only now, in this generation do we understand what the mark of the beast is and how it is going to be used. We've already seen the technology for it with people being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of the hand. That technology will continue to evolve, most likely into something more applicable leading up to the revealing of antichrist. What will remain consistent, is that, just as scripture states, it will go in/on the hand or forehead. The coming mark will replace cash, checks and all other forms of electronic crediting and debiting (buying and selling).

The majority of the book of Revelation, from chapter 4 on is future. Once the church has been gathered that will end the "What is now" part of what John was told to write and will begin the "what must take place later," i.e. after the church period.

In that case it makes one wonder why God addressed Revelation to seven first century churches who had no conception of
Computers, chips or anything else relating to the 21st Century but were suffering persecution there and then and were in dire
need of comfort and assurance that Christ had not abandoned them not some puzzle to be worked out 2000 years later. Perhaps a look at some text might help


The Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him to shew unto his
servants things which must shortly come to pass and he sent and signified it by
his angel unto his servant John. Who bare testimony of Jesus Christ and of all
the things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth and they that hear the words
of this prophecy and keep those things that are written therein for the time is at
hand

Rev 1: 1-3 KJV

Behold I come quickly blessed is he that keepeth the sayings
of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 22: 7 KJV

He which testifieth these things saith Surely I come quickly
Amen Even so come Lord Jesus.

Rev 22: 20 KJV

This issue goes beyond the mark of the beast it covers most of Revelation and the actual purpose of the book which is far more complex than space will allow. What I take issue with here is the idea that the visions and prophecies in the book can be only understood today and for some nineteen hundred years nobody in the Church as a whole understood it. Also that the events
spoken of in the book including the timing of Christs coming only refer to the rapture/second coming and no other time.

Anyone with half a mind would take the above text to mean what it says. That is unless you are a Dispensationalist then you
impose an interpretation on it that fits your view of things. If you think nineteen hundred years and counting means quick or at hand
your sense of timing must need some serious attention.

The Bible is not a puzzle book to be messed around with.

 

[Melach]

I think the mark will replace money and the antichrist will come out of the world economic system. It wasn't history it is prophecy.

i believe this will go like this too

but we will see. could be its been here all along and is something symbolic like some say. but because its mentioned in connection to beast i believe its the last kingdom that Jesus destroys at His return and its literal

 

[garee]

I think the mark will replace money and the antichrist will come out of the world economic system. It wasn't history it is prophecy.

The antichrists many have been revealed .And the gospel is concerned with spiritual matters. We are to buy the truth of God and not sell it like Cain a marked man because some see no value in it. It has nothing to do with the world economic system.

What Christians should concern themselves with is the possibility of God sending a famine for hearing the gospel . There is a question that when he does come on the last day. Will he find faith or a electronic chip that takes a licking and keeps on ticking. or some sort of tattoo as a outward mark in respect to sign seekers.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

 

[calibob]

The antichrists many have been revealed .And the gospel is concerned with spiritual matters. We are to buy the truth of God and not sell it like Cain a marked man because some see no value in it. It has nothing to do with the world economic system.

What Christians should concern themselves with is the possibility of God sending a famine for hearing the gospel . There is a question that when he does come on the last day. Will he find faith or a electronic chip that takes a licking and keeps on ticking. or some sort of tattoo as a outward mark in respect to sign seekers.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

Well then, by what mechanism do you think the Devil will lead all of the nations of the world to the final conflict in the valley of Magedo?

 

[garee]

Well then, by what mechanism do you think the Devil will lead all of the nations of the world to the final conflict in the valley of Magedo?

The father of lies will use his lies to lead people into conflict with God. Not sure what the valley of Magedo means. Perhaps the valley of death. or place of sorrow.

 

[calibob]

The father of lies will use his lies to lead people into conflict with God. Not sure what the valley of Magedo means. Perhaps the valley of death. or place of sorrow.

The valley of Megedo is where the battle of Armageddon will take place. Whe the lord with all of the angels and raptured saints will enter from the east and destroy all of the armies left behind.

I'd love to continue tonight but I have a date. I'll continue tomorrow if you wish.

 

[garee]

The valley of Megedo is where the battle of Armageddon will take place. Whe the lord with all of the angels and raptured saints will enter from the east and destroy all of the armies left behind.

I'd love to continue tonight but I have a date. I'll continue tomorrow if you wish.

Thanks hear ya tomorrow Lord willing.

One thing to think about. I do at least today hold to a Amil possition . I don't think raptured saints... knowing we are not what we will be as the bride of Christ.... will not have a literal part in the execution of his judgment on the last day as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood. . The raptured saints in their new incorruptible bodies and the execution of the judgment the second death. I believe will happen in the twinkling of the eye, on the last day.This when the last man God had planned to give new spirit life received the promise of faith as the anchor of his new born again soul. Then the lamb of God slain for the sins of the elect from before the foundation of the world.That book will be complete as the books are opened and compared to one another not one is missing. . .

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.