What's Really Happening?

[Crossfire]

PC rhetorics

The politically correct diary of the day:

Technique: Guilt by association. Formula: (Falsely) accuse and demonize your opponents effectively. Yell "racist" and "antisemite" (really LOUD and repeatedly, if needed) to all who disagree with you and - hocus-pocus - all you say is justified and true.

[Nice "fruit", eh. No arguments, no willingness to correct those who would be supposedly wrong, just slandering. A reason why I ignore troll posts.]

Pax Americana-Sovjetica

Tribesman & Jimmy,

It is obvious that there are people here who are looking to demonize anything and anyone which does not agree with their exact theology. No one is safe. In their eyes, if you do not agree with them, even on minor details, you are a child of Satan especially those who question their beliefs and conspiracy theories.

Over the last year, since I first encountered these people, I have seen nothing from them but religious rhetoric about how every belief system but theirs is wrong. I have also seen these same people verbally assault and even slander those who would stand up to them regardless of what belief system they hold to.

I have yet to see an ounce of Christian love or compassion from these people for those that they are trying 'correct'. However, I have read plenty of hate speech from these people for those who would reject their ideas. Often times I wonder if these people ever pray for their opponents or even attempt to lift a finger to help those who might disagree with them other than attempting to force feed their beliefs down the throats of others.


Scripture teaches us that we reap what we sow. If you sow seeds of love and respect, you will reap the fruit of love and respect. However, if you sow the seeds of strife and hatred, then you will reap strife and hatred. That is exactly what these people have done and it has reached a boiling point.

You can only push someone to the ground so many times before that person pushes back. That's exactly what you are seeing here. Basically several Amillennialists on these forums bully anyone who does not agree with their theology then demonize those who push back. These forums have become the online version of an elementary school playground.

 

[CrimsonFlames]

LoL.., should we apologize for not agreeing to your desire for a totalitarian regime?

you come in here accusing everyone of being amillennialist who dont agree with but your mudslinging is somehow righteous?

 

[Crossfire]

Tribesman & Jimmy,

It is obvious that there are people here who are looking to demonize anything and anyone which does not agree with their exact theology. No one is safe. In their eyes, if you do not agree with them, even on minor details, you are a child of Satan especially those who question their beliefs and conspiracy theories.

Over the last year, since I first encountered these people, I have seen nothing from them but religious rhetoric about how every belief system but theirs is wrong. I have also seen these same people verbally assault and even slander those who would stand up to them regardless of what belief system they hold to.

I have yet to see an ounce of Christian love or compassion from these people for those that they are trying 'correct'. However, I have read plenty of hate speech from these people for those who would reject their ideas. Often times I wonder if these people ever pray for their opponents or even attempt to lift a finger to help those who might disagree with them other than attempting to force feed their beliefs down the throats of others.


Scripture teaches us that we reap what we sow. If you sow seeds of love and respect, you will reap the fruit of love and respect. However, if you sow the seeds of strife and hatred, then you will reap strife and hatred. That is exactly what these people have done and it has reached a boiling point.

You can only push someone to the ground so many times before that person pushes back. That's exactly what you are seeing here. Basically several Amillennialists on these forums bully anyone who does not agree with their theology then demonize those who push back. These forums have become the online version of an elementary school playground.

If people could agree to respectfully disagree and leave it at that, this forums would be a much more pleasant place to visit. Instead, all you see is name calling and slander from one side when others reject their ideas which, in turn, results is more rude behavior from those who are being called names and treated poorly.

These people can think and say whatever they like about me, personally I could care less. However, it's how they treat others which really bothers me. Sure, I may not agree with most of these people concerning their beliefs either but that does not give me any excuse whatsoever to treat them like dirt.

Their are several here that I disagree with and when those disagreements arise I attempt to keep them within confines of the discussion at hand about the topic being discussed. The way I see it, there is absolutely no reason or excuse to insult someone else on a personal level or attempt to convince others that these people are not saved just because we can't agree.

However, it frustrates me to no end when I see others trampling all over the feeling and reputations of those that they disagree with. That is why I choose to engage these people from time to time, to expose their cruel and unchristian- like behavior for what it is... COLD, SPIRITUALLY DEAD RELIGION.

 

[zone]

all that talk of love and respect.
FireOntheAltar and Crossfire have permanent posts/threads in the archives room.

wanna get honest?

eh...just appeal to jimmy and tribesman...maybe they'll agree to rough me up at recess.

 

[zone]

If people could agree to respectfully disagree and leave it at that, this forums would be a much more pleasant place to visit. Instead, all you see is name calling and slander from one side when others reject their ideas which, in turn, results is more rude behavior from those who are being called names and treated poorly.

These people can think and say whatever they like about me, personally I could care less. However, it's how they treat others which really bothers me. Sure, I may not agree with most of these people concerning their beliefs either but that does not give me any excuse whatsoever to treat them like dirt.

Their are several here that I disagree with and when those disagreements arise I attempt to keep them within confines of the discussion at hand about the topic being discussed. The way I see it, there is absolutely no reason or excuse to insult someone else on a personal level or attempt to convince others that these people are not saved just because we can't agree.

However, it frustrates me to no end when I see others trampling all over the feeling and reputations of those that they disagree with. That is why I choose to engage these people from time to time, to expose their cruel and unchristian- like behavior for what it is... COLD, SPIRITUALLY DEAD RELIGION.

all that talk of love and respect.
FireOntheAltar and Crossfire have permanent posts/threads in the archives room.

wanna get honest?

if you don't like this topic get off the thread.
how many times can hit the red button in one day crossfire?

 

[Crossfire]

LoL.., should we apologize for not agreeing to your desire for a totalitarian regime?

you come in here accusing everyone of being amillennialist who dont agree with but your mudslinging is somehow righteous?

Not everyone. I could care less that you are Amillennials. It's how several of the ring leaders of the Amillennials on this site treat others which concerns me. I won't have a problem with you just as long as you if you choose not to particpate in their name calling and mud slinging.

 

[Crossfire]

if you don't like this topic get off the thread.
how many times can hit the red button in one day crossfire?

How many times in a day do you invade other threads that don't concern you and your beliefs, yet you attempt to to belittle them and ruin their repuations?

 

[zone]

Not everyone. I could care less that you are Amillennials. It's how several of the ring leaders of the Amillennials on this site treat others which concerns me. I won't have a problem with you just as long as you if you choose not to particpate in their name calling and mud slinging.

you don't even know what amillennialism is.

now regarding your invasion of other's threads/name-calling and mudslinging, as i said, i have a reasonably good memory and we have an archives room.

so why don't you just carry on with your business and i'll do the same. i told you a long time ago: you are NAR (among other things) and i am against you.

 

[CrimsonFlames]

Not everyone. I could care less that you are Amillennials. It's how several of the ring leaders of the Amillennials on this site treat others which concerns me. I won't have a problem with you just as long as you if you choose not to particpate in their name calling and mud slinging.

I am not for or against amillenialism., preterism., dispensationism or whatever other form of ism someone wants to be .., I simply avoid schisms altogether and focus on the truth. I do not identify myself with any group

however you are right about the mudslinging that goes on around here.., seems people here think the scripture is a whip to control and manipulate those who dont agree with them. The moment there is a disagreement they rally other others immediate to start pointing out the fruit of someone they have just offended and people marvelously manage to overlook the offense and attack the offended however this is a whole other topic and best left for a thread of its own but what I will say is no particular group is at fault here with every group doing their share of bullying of scripture whipping

You will see if you turn back to page 1 Zone was attacked immediately after posting this thread.., the worst thugs among Christianity in my opinion are christian zionists and christian dominionists with their "Israel- no criticism allowed" policy

 

[Crossfire]

all that talk of love and respect.
FireOntheAltar and Crossfire have permanent posts/threads in the archives room.

wanna get honest?

eh...just appeal to jimmy and tribesman...maybe they'll agree to rough me up at recess.

Zone,

My issue with you has never been about your beliefs or the fact that you are a woman but how you treat people. And I will be the first to admit their have a few times when I allowed my flesh to get the best of me while responding your irrational treatment of others. Yes, I've called you a conspiracy theorist. Yes, I have mentioned that your seem to have an emotional problem when dealing with rejection. And, yes, I did state that I believe that you have a serious spiritual problem seeing as you love to bully, intimidate and dominate others. I will not deny it because I still believe all three to be true.

However, I have always attempted to treat others with personal respect when we disagree. I will be the first to admit that I do not like Calvinism at all because of how certain Calvinists throughout history have bullied and killed other Christians in the past yet you will not find one occurance where I personally pointed the finger at someone on these boards apostate, a heritic, or doubted their salvation because of Calvinism or any other belief system.

You obviously hate me for several reasons. You apparently hate me because I'm a Continuationist. You apparently hate me because I choose to support Israel. You apparently hate me because I am an American. Sometimes I even wonder if you hate me because I'm male seeing as you appear to get your thrills by attempting to emasculate males that would stand up to you. You can hate me all you like. Belittle me if you will. But please stop treating others like lesser Christians (even people for that matter) because they choose to reject your ideas.

I've spoken my peace with this post and I will grant your request and leave this thread alone.

 

[systemdown101]

PC rhetorics

The politically correct diary of the day:

Technique: Guilt by association. Formula: (Falsely) accuse and demonize your opponents effectively. Yell "racist" and "antisemite" (really LOUD and repeatedly, if needed) to all who disagree with you and - hocus-pocus - all you say is justified and true.

It's not too difficult to come up with the conclusion that some are anti-semetic since you have so many people railing against "The Jews" all the time, like they're hiding under someone bed or stealing peoples cookies or something. In any event, I see what you're getting at it being used in this example:

SO WHAT??.. Believe me you will be asked someday what you have done against it.
Or whether you are one of those war supporting pseudo christian zionists
being a member of those wealthy prosperity mega churches supporting israels
imperialistic cruel war politic.

Okay. Since no one here is anti-semetic or racist, Ada says:

No the jews are not(!) the all time victims, with an unique selling point
backed with their huge money and established, instigated political correctness
from their worldwide thousands of lobby organizations.
They are the perpetrators till today! They are the ones who should be on
worldwide trial and they should be expelled from all foreign nations.
They should give away their second passport cause they have have no loyalty
for the nation they live in.

So, I'll ask you (and Zone, and Ada again) the same question. Where do we put the Jews once we've kicked them out, or even before we've done so, and what should their punishment be as we put them on trial? Answer in a purely non-anti-semetic way, of course.

Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded, not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering a high morale and cummunity propose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao ’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.

I don't think you'll find anyone here defending Communism. It's a brutal system in which you have one man at the top deciding what millions of people at the bottom will do, say, think, or buy whether they like it or not.

But this term has actually been used for generations by individuals seeking one-world socialist rule.

See, this is where we disagree. All you've proven is that a bunch of different people with very different political beliefs are using the same buzzword. The only problem is that each one of these people/groups wants to be at the head of the table in each world government. It doesn't mean there IS a huge conspiracy, just that you have a bunch of world leader wannabes using the same jargon. I mean, at work, I have to speak the same professional workspeak that a bunch of people inother states (and I would assume other countries) are using as well, and all it proves is that we're using the same tired theoreys everywhere. The thing is, you're seeing a conspiracy where it likely doesn't exist. I could probably do the exact same thing you did using the words "Utopia," "liberal," or even "railroad" and find hundreds of disparate politicians using those same words. It proves nothing save that people have wanted to unify the world since the Tower of Babel, Alexander the Great, and Caesar. But as there's more than one person wanting to do so, you get wars over who gets to own what. This is not a huge surprise. But we part ways when you start seeing them acting in accord with each other. I see them working at cross-purposes fighting over who gets the bigger slice of the pie.

Now, the other way of looking at it is that according to Bible prophecy, there MUST come some kind of World Leader who will reunite the Old Roman Empire or something like it, forbid people to buy or sell without his stamp on your wrist or forehead, go to war against the saints, all that stuff. In fact, considering the economic instability of the day, it looks like the time is ripe for just such an antichrist to step in and say "I have the solutions to all our problems!" and people will willingly hand over the reins of government to him. I suspect this person is walking the earth right now in some minor political post and we'll start seeing him appear on a major scale in a few years. But the thing is: This has all been preordained. There's nothing you can do to stop it, and in fact it MUST happen else God be proven a liar. So, all your pinning of strings connecting one box to another are really useless, and your real goal shouldn't be mapping out conspiracies on a wall but saving who you can.

[/SIZE]The dispensational system promotes Zionism among Christians, the conviction that physical Jews today have a Biblical right to possess the land of Palestine. The point of discussion in this chapter is not Zionism as a political issue but Zionism as a Biblically based theological issue. The typical dispensationalist does have a passionate commitment to theological Zionism and a religious regard for the epic Zionistic events of 1948 and 1967: the modern establishment of the Jewish state of Israel and the Israeli conquest of Jerusalem. These two events are viewed as the two most dramatic fulfillments of prophecy since the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and as signs of the soon return of Christ. Many dispensationalists are also anticipating a third imminent Zionistic fulfillment of prophecy: the rebuilding of the temple at Jerusalem....

Zone, your mention your sig. Didn't it used to be something like "One of these days, people are going to have to study the Bible, and then there's gonna be serious trouble." Something like that. I mean, come on. Israel MUST exist in order to fulfill many prophecies given in multiple places in the Bible and you know as well as I what they are. Is your point that Israel has no right to exist and should be wiped off the map?

It is obvious that there are people here who are looking to demonize anything and anyone which does not agree with their exact theology. No one is safe. In their eyes, if you do not agree with them, even on minor details, you are a child of Satan especially those who question their beliefs and conspiracy theories.

Over the last year, since I first encountered these people, I have seen nothing from them but religious rhetoric about how every belief system but theirs is wrong. I have also seen these same people verbally assault and even slander those who would stand up to them regardless of what belief system they hold to.

You can only push someone to the ground so many times before that person pushes back. That's exactly what you are seeing here. Basically several Amillennialists on these forums bully anyone who does not agree with their theology then demonize those who push back. These forums have become the online version of an elementary school playground.

This. All of this. Quoted for truth.

 

[zone]

Zone,

My issue with you has never been about your beliefs or the fact that you are a woman but how you treat people. And I will be the first to admit their have a few times when I allowed my flesh to get the best of me while responding your irrational treatment of others.

so you're the hero, who only ever lets his flesh get the best of him when it comes to defending others against zone.

that's less than truth. far less. if you keep trying to bail on your own recent past while claiming humility, i'll call you on it.

don't forget, i have a near photographic memory.

and indeed dear, one of your issues with me is that i am a woman....remember?
we can make it go away...unless you keep playing the fake hero.

Yes, I've called you a conspiracy theorist.

is this your "confession"? let's see if its qualified (bogus)

and what else?....you were righteously indignant just a moment ago over name-calling.
is that all you've called me or others?

Yes, I have mentioned that your seem to have an emotional problem when dealing with rejection.

yes, you have.
in many ways.
does that mean you are right?

And, yes, I did state that I believe that you have a serious spiritual problem seeing as you love to bully, intimidate and dominate others. I will not deny it because I still believe all three to be true.

yes i know you believe this.
so are you still claiming the moral high ground?
let me know....i'll follow up.

However, I have always attempted to treat others with personal respect when we disagree.

oh r'ly? false humilty?
you think more highly of yourself than you ought.
too much Wesley and Finney i think.
i have a good memory. apparently you do not.

I will be the first to admit that I do not like Calvinism at all because of how certain Calvinists throughout history have bullied and killed other Christians in the past yet you will not find one occurance where I personally pointed the finger at someone on these boards apostate, a heritic, or doubted their salvation because of Calvinism or any other belief system.

yes, i will find it.

You obviously hate me for several reasons.

hate? that's your word.
i'm against you for several reasons.

You apparently hate me because I'm a Continuationist.

nonsense. i may be the only cessationist on the forum.

You apparently hate me because I choose to support Israel..

i don't hate you for it.
i'm ashamed of you for it.

You apparently hate me because I am an American.

LOL.
huh? ever been to first conneticut lake?
my cabin was the one with the red curtains on the deck.
moosehead on the living room wall.

my country (Canada) is in on everything your is: but i don't make an IDOL of my country. and i learn real history.

Sometimes I even wonder if you hate me because I'm male

ya....you keep going here.
maybe you should see someone about it.

seeing as you appear to get your thrills by attempting to emasculate males that would stand up to you.

Jezebel, right FoA?
she comes against the NAR?

You can hate me all you like. Belittle me if you will.

i don't hate you.

But please stop treating others like lesser Christians (even people for that matter) because they choose to reject your ideas.

what a hero.

here's where it gets really good.
YOU'RE the TWO-KINDS OF CHRISTIANS ACCORDING TO ROMANS 8'er.
not me.

you're the Holiness guy who "walks in the Spirit" while "carnal" christian walk in the flesh.
complete heresy.

need a reminder?

I've spoken my peace with this post and I will grant your request and leave this thread alone.

post all you like.
if you call me antisemitic (my name is WALLENSTEIN) and the other dangerous names, and carry on as you do, you'll get the same.

and when your doctrine bites (like Romans 8), i'll counter.

see ya.

 

[CrimsonFlames]

Wow.., seriously peoples., any of you ever heard of Argument um Ads Hominem?

Your tid slugfests among one another does not prove one way or another the point of the thread., if what Zone says in the OP is false then provide information to prove to the otherwise. If not sit and watch the natural progression of the discussion which should FOCUS ON THE TOPIC AT HAND!!

Meanwhile go look up IRGUN and realise what Zone has been saying has been the plan since as early as 1930 and it can be proven the plan for Israel was hatched in 1820 with the founding stone for Israel laid in a Freemasonic ceremony in 1896 led by the then king of germany and 220 other esteemed guests of global nobility. Everything Zone presents is true and if you dont like it then lie not against the truth for we shall all come into judgement

The Truth is the Truth.., it aint no cooked up conspiracy theory as you would like to accuse us of

Israel is and has always been expansionist!!

 

[CrimsonFlames]

Original British Mandate for Palestine above included Jordan.., below is the logo used for the Israeli Terrorist Group known of as IRGUN!

Do your own research but dont get your knickers in a knot and slander those of us who have!!

 

[zone]

So, I'll ask you (and Zone, and Ada again) the same question. Where do we put the Jews once we've kicked them out, or even before we've done so, and what should their punishment be as we put them on trial? Answer in a purely non-anti-semetic way, of course. .

what on earth are you on about?
oh....that would be the connect- zone -to -hitler thing....ya. i'll add that to my sig also.
been here done this.

my suggestion is STOP SUPPORTING ISRAELI fascism and racism.
let her learn to get along with her neighbours.

ain't gonna happen - the Talmud doesn't allow it.
wanna talk about the Talmud?

I don't think you'll find anyone here defending Communism. It's a brutal system in which you have one man at the top deciding what millions of people at the bottom will do, say, think, or buy whether they like it or not. .

oh.
support israel support communism.
and anyways....you're going into it - the new kind.
brought to you by israel.

See, this is where we disagree. All you've proven is that a bunch of different people with very different political beliefs are using the same buzzword. The only problem is that each one of these people/groups wants to be at the head of the table in each world government. It doesn't mean there IS a huge conspiracy, just that you have a bunch of world leader wannabes using the same jargon. I mean, at work, I have to speak the same professional workspeak that a bunch of people inother states (and I would assume other countries) are using as well, and all it proves is that we're using the same tired theoreys everywhere. The thing is, you're seeing a conspiracy where it likely doesn't exist. I could probably do the exact same thing you did using the words "Utopia," "liberal," or even "railroad" and find hundreds of disparate politicians using those same words. It proves nothing save that people have wanted to unify the world since the Tower of Babel, Alexander the Great, and Caesar. But as there's more than one person wanting to do so, you get wars over who gets to own what. .

are you a Christian?

not surprised you can read all those quotes and openly deny they mean what they say and that its a reality even now. its not a conspiracy anymore. they're in the open.

but you deny that.
*shrug*

This is not a huge surprise. But we part wayswhen you start seeing them acting in accord with each other. .

i understand you're probably busy with other things.
but a week or two reading their own writings would help.
that's assuming you want to know.

Now, the other way of looking at it is that according to Bible prophecy, there MUST come some kind of World Leader who will reunite the Old Roman Empire or something like it, forbid people to buy or sell without his stamp on your wrist or forehead, go to war against the saints, all that stuff. In fact, considering the economic instability of the day, it looks like the time is ripe for just such an antichrist to step in and say "I have the solutions to all our problems!" and people will willingly hand over the reins of government to him. I suspect this person is walking the earth right now in some minor political post and we'll start seeing him appear on a major scale in a few years. But the thing is: This has all been preordained. There's nothing you can do to stop it, and in fact it MUST happen else God be proven a liar. So, all your pinning of strings connecting one box to another are really useless, and your real goal shouldn't be mapping out conspiracies on a wall but saving who you can. .

oh. so now they ARE acting in accord.
now there IS a one-world system taking place.

BUT! DON'T SEE WHO IS INVOLVED! NO!
sssshhhhhhh.....

who said anything about stopping it?
i post on it for ONE REASON ONLY - to counter Christian Zionism and Dispensational Theology.

ok?

Zone, your mention your sig. Didn't it used to be something like "One of these days, people are going to have to study the Bible, and then there's gonna be serious trouble." Something like that. I mean, come on. Israel MUST exist in order to fulfill many prophecies given in multiple places in the Bible and you know as well as I what they are..

Biblical Israel does exist.
she's Christ's church.

that nation in the middle east is fulfilling something else.

Is your point that Israel has no right to exist and should be wiped off the map? .

*gasp*!
i didn't see THAT coming!
get real man.


zone WALLENSTEIN

 

[systemdown101]

Israel is and has always been expansionist!!

Israel is expansionist? Shocking. I mean, if you ignore that that's what just about every other country did.

I say that we let Australia lead the way and give its land back to the natives first.

 

[CrimsonFlames]

Israel is expansionist? Shocking. I mean, if you ignore that that's what just about every other country did.

I say that we let Australia lead the way and give its land back to the natives first.

We seem to be getting somewhere with this one

 

[zone]

Israel is expansionist? Shocking. I mean, if you ignore that that's what just about every other country did.

I say that we let Australia lead the way and give its land back to the natives first.

israel is expansionist using THE MONEY AND BLOOD OF NORTH AMERICANS...through deceit and lies. right from the beginning. and that's fine. that's what totalitarian imperialist powers do.

but stop covering it up and calling it OF GOD.

and her 'expansionism' is the kind that requires extermination of AMALEK (non-jews): others do the killing though....XTIAN ZIONISTS mainly.

but...hey: the Noahide Laws are harmless and i'm an antisemitic conspiracy theorist.

 

[CrimsonFlames]

but stop covering it up and calling it OF GOD.

 

[CrimsonFlames]

No GIF's allowed?