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Regardless...my post was valid and biblical.....I was only addressing what I posted below.....
You said
Originally Posted by 1ofthem
I just don't see how we can judge people by just their words...
I said
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Maybe trust Jesus..he knew what he was talking about.....
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.
You said
I said
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.
They did that backwards, she should have stated what her statement of faith is so the congregation could hear it then vote yes or no as a member of that congregation. If she is a repentant sinner she is already part of the body of Chirst, her staetment of faith would be to see if she believed as the congregation does so that they can have good fellowship. Just like when I was looking for a Church to attend, I wanted to make sure they proclaimed the Gospel and that their teaching was the same or a sclose to as I believe the bible is saying. I would not want to go to a congregation that taught what I did njot believe ir against what I believe.
What is interesting is I just went to a membership class on Wednesday. After some time of being sick, living in a convalescent home. Coming home for furthur recovery, then falling to pneumonia with heart problems and recoverying from that.
The teaching elder of the congregation that I was attending before I went through my time of illness going to take over Mark Driscoll's Church when he was asked to step down and a year of us trying to find a teaching elder, I desided to start looking for another Acts 29 Church. The blessing was that one of my nurses attend one and as we were talking he mentioned the name, but I could not remember it and looking on the Acts 29 website I could not find it so my daughter and I went to about four Churches that were not for us. One last look ta the Acts 29 website and I found the Church I was lookiong for and it has been a blessing for my grandson, daughter and myself so we attented the membership class. Which I did not do at the last Acts 29 Church I attended, but we feel as though we should become member at the Church.
What is interesting is I just went to a membership class on Wednesday. After some time of being sick, living in a convalescent home. Coming home for furthur recovery, then falling to pneumonia with heart problems and recoverying from that.
The teaching elder of the congregation that I was attending before I went through my time of illness going to take over Mark Driscoll's Church when he was asked to step down and a year of us trying to find a teaching elder, I desided to start looking for another Acts 29 Church. The blessing was that one of my nurses attend one and as we were talking he mentioned the name, but I could not remember it and looking on the Acts 29 website I could not find it so my daughter and I went to about four Churches that were not for us. One last look ta the Acts 29 website and I found the Church I was lookiong for and it has been a blessing for my grandson, daughter and myself so we attented the membership class. Which I did not do at the last Acts 29 Church I attended, but we feel as though we should become member at the Church.
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We know Jesus knew what he was talking about.
As fer you.....
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
The above has nothing to do with the OP and statements of faith..
We know Jesus knew what he was talking about.
As fer you.....
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
The above has nothing to do with the OP and statements of faith..
Yes, they did it exactly backwards brother. That was the point. Like I told someone, it was like voting on the healthcare act, "You have to pass it to see what's in it" according to what Pelosi said instead of seeing what is in it then voting to pass it or not.
"How many vote to receive her on her SOF? Unanimous! Now, what is your SOF?" Just simply incompetent.
"How many vote to receive her on her SOF? Unanimous! Now, what is your SOF?" Just simply incompetent.
is this an intentional misoverstanding.
nobody is saying that they are voting the person into heaven or voting for salvation. thats the first ting they were voting for membership in the local church, and the point was that the testimony given was non-existant, and based on a testimony like that maybe it would be good to pull that person aside in a loving manner and ask some basic questions about the faith to examine if the person is born again/ in the faith u see.......
why should unbelievers be allowed as full members????? they can visit yes and thank God many do, church welcomes them but as full members i believe its only the christians.
nobody is saying that they are voting the person into heaven or voting for salvation. thats the first ting they were voting for membership in the local church, and the point was that the testimony given was non-existant, and based on a testimony like that maybe it would be good to pull that person aside in a loving manner and ask some basic questions about the faith to examine if the person is born again/ in the faith u see.......
why should unbelievers be allowed as full members????? they can visit yes and thank God many do, church welcomes them but as full members i believe its only the christians.
Yes. Many have gone on to claiming this church just doesn't want sinners, doesn't want the wicked in the services, chases out sinners, the church is false, the church is voting people into Christ, the church thinks they can by voting save someone's soul -- all kinds of accusations which have not one thing to do with the situation at hand. This all makes it more apparent why there are some many in church today who are unconverted, and do not even know what the Gospel is. That is my concern, that others would know the Gospel, and know they are saved via Christ.
Sad thing is though none of these will listen to the the facts who have gone on to make up accusations and a different scenario than in the OP.
The woman should have been lovingly handled, pulled aside, spoken to about the Gospel, and if she didn't grasp it, then say "So, what you're saying is you are professing to know Christ saved you, that you believe His Gospel, that He alone can save you, not yourself, and you want the church to know that today you're professing belief in Christ saving you, and in his Gospel?" And see where that goes, depending on the situation, what she says &c. Appeared to be a good time to share the Gospel IMHO.
There is no need to come on SOF if no SOF has been given, and especially in doing it backwards.
Sad thing is though none of these will listen to the the facts who have gone on to make up accusations and a different scenario than in the OP.
The woman should have been lovingly handled, pulled aside, spoken to about the Gospel, and if she didn't grasp it, then say "So, what you're saying is you are professing to know Christ saved you, that you believe His Gospel, that He alone can save you, not yourself, and you want the church to know that today you're professing belief in Christ saving you, and in his Gospel?" And see where that goes, depending on the situation, what she says &c. Appeared to be a good time to share the Gospel IMHO.
There is no need to come on SOF if no SOF has been given, and especially in doing it backwards.
Regardless...my post was valid and biblical.....I was only addressing what I posted below.....
You said
Originally Posted by 1ofthem
I just don't see how we can judge people by just their words...
I said
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Maybe trust Jesus..he knew what he was talking about.....
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.
You said
I said
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.
To be clear though, I wasn't trying to attack anyone and was just giving my heart felt opinion...so you can imagine my surprise when you said I need to just trust Jesus. You can believe me I do trust Jesus' judgement, but I have a hard time trusting the opinions of men especially when they are saying that someone has to try to prove that they are really saved to the church by giving a statement in front of a church.
To me this just seems a little much, and could potential hurt a new Christian and we know Jesus also said woe unto anyone who offends one of these little ones, and also with what judgement you judge you shall be judged. So all I was trying to say is that I'd really hate to fall on the end of that one.
I wonder if they revoked Eutychus' "membership" for falling asleep during Paul's sermon....
Seriously... we have no voting for membership in our church. The elders request that people attend a short class that covers "what we are about" topics, so that people don't just jump in, then a couple of weeks later discover something they disagree with, and "take their marbles and go home"....
There is no "statement of faith" required. It is assumed that if a person wants to identify himself/herself with our body of believers, that they are a believer as well.
It is not our job, as Christians, to take someone else's inventory. We should not require someone to know the secret handshake, and the password, and all the correct, up-to-date buzzwords that "Christians" are to use. Whether a person is a "true" believer, or is not, is between them and God.
Next, it will be, well, you don't dress nice enough for church to be a "true" believer... or, you let your kids dress up for Halloween, so you couldn't be a "true believer".... or, "true believing" women don't wear pants....
I mean, good grief.... the church is supposed to be a hospital for sinners, not an exclusive "members only" club...
Seriously... we have no voting for membership in our church. The elders request that people attend a short class that covers "what we are about" topics, so that people don't just jump in, then a couple of weeks later discover something they disagree with, and "take their marbles and go home"....
There is no "statement of faith" required. It is assumed that if a person wants to identify himself/herself with our body of believers, that they are a believer as well.
It is not our job, as Christians, to take someone else's inventory. We should not require someone to know the secret handshake, and the password, and all the correct, up-to-date buzzwords that "Christians" are to use. Whether a person is a "true" believer, or is not, is between them and God.
Next, it will be, well, you don't dress nice enough for church to be a "true" believer... or, you let your kids dress up for Halloween, so you couldn't be a "true believer".... or, "true believing" women don't wear pants....
I mean, good grief.... the church is supposed to be a hospital for sinners, not an exclusive "members only" club...