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yes, self control is needed.
Clarity also.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Sound-Mind/
yes, self control is needed.
Clarity also.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Sound-Mind/
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Confession, I didn't even notice the word until the action that happened after it. I had to go back to reread to catch it. 
Were you born-again during the time of the Jesus Movement? I was but toward the end of it. It always struck me strange that people in church were dressed conservatively. Now looking back I'm still laughing. How are checkered suits and bell bottoms conservative? lol
Were you born-again during the time of the Jesus Movement? I was but toward the end of it. It always struck me strange that people in church were dressed conservatively. Now looking back I'm still laughing. How are checkered suits and bell bottoms conservative? lol
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You know what is truly sad? Not once have you been turned away, and yet, word by word, post by post, topic by topic that is ALL you ever do? Turn away from everyone, because you, and you alone are above it all. Worse yet, you think you are above God himself.
You have been shown mercy so you pull out your whip for everyone else. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- what are you doing on this site?
You have been shown mercy so you pull out your whip for everyone else. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- what are you doing on this site?
Lets see, took a bribe, conspired with murderers, Hanged himself.
Abstain from strangled,???
When Y’hudah, who had betrayed him, saw that Yeshua had been condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the head cohanim and elders, 4 saying,
“I sinned in betraying an innocent man to death.”
“What is that to us?” they answered.
“That’s your problem.”
5 Hurling the pieces of silver into the sanctuary, he left; then he went off and hanged himself.
Yeah, cowards refuse to address the murdering drug cartels and pushers.
Abstain from strangled,???
When Y’hudah, who had betrayed him, saw that Yeshua had been condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the head cohanim and elders, 4 saying,
“I sinned in betraying an innocent man to death.”
“What is that to us?” they answered.
“That’s your problem.”
5 Hurling the pieces of silver into the sanctuary, he left; then he went off and hanged himself.
Yeah, cowards refuse to address the murdering drug cartels and pushers.
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Thank you for sharing that Lynn (if I may call you that?); it freshens my heart to know of others here who have shared similar experiences.
The addiction recovery program I was in was in-house for a year, and it took me 2 yrs. I graduated, got back on my feet, then relapsed a year later and did the program again. This was the kind of program for those for whom AA/NA, and other programs did nothing. It was referred to on the street as "bible boot camp." The classes were mostly straight out of the bible 6 hrs a day, 5 days/wk, and then we worked together another 4-6 hrs. We all had accountability partners and mentors. Church was mandatory twice a week, as well as chapel every night.
We also had a cabin-in-the-woods retreat, for a week at the end. Fond memories there, as well as sadness. A few didn't make it that far. 1 guy died from drinking rubbing alcohol, another, a good friend, OD-ed from heroin right after we got back from the retreat. Another got shot dealing crack.
I recall 1 fella, Tom, biker, atheist, racist, felon, lots of hate, an exception was made and he was let in the program because he said he was "curious about this Jesus thing." Said his addiction was hate. 3 months later he got up in front of everyone and professed Jesus as his Lord and Savior. I was his supervisor, and I witnessed some of the changes God made in him. Miraculous to be sure!
I still keep in touch with many who graduated; we do a Superbowl party every year, and until a year ago (moved) I taught a few classes there, anger management and bible classes and such, and did some counseling, bottom line is we try to stay connected, for support and growth. A support structure is extremely important.
There are other friends I lost touch with whom I found out died from drugs or alcohol, and I can only hope they were saved.
The Pastor who ran the program was an Associate Pastor at the church we attended, so that church was attuned to our special needs (and gifts!). But not all churches are, nor are they spiritually mature and equipped enough to deal with it, and though they don't outright turn folks like me away, they do whisper behind our backs and make subtle hints for us to please move on to another church.
I've had several churches do this here where I've moved to, as I continue to seek out a church to become a member of, and I hear it from some places of worship where my band plays, places that, upon hearing the felonious testimonies of 2 of my bandmates, become obviously nervous. Two have asked us to not return, giving us some wishy-washy excuse that our "message" was too disturbing but couldn't give us a for-example.
I'm sorry you lost touch with your friends, Lynn, but at the same time I'm glad you posted what you did, because it reminds me I'm due to make a few phone calls.
The addiction recovery program I was in was in-house for a year, and it took me 2 yrs. I graduated, got back on my feet, then relapsed a year later and did the program again. This was the kind of program for those for whom AA/NA, and other programs did nothing. It was referred to on the street as "bible boot camp." The classes were mostly straight out of the bible 6 hrs a day, 5 days/wk, and then we worked together another 4-6 hrs. We all had accountability partners and mentors. Church was mandatory twice a week, as well as chapel every night.
We also had a cabin-in-the-woods retreat, for a week at the end. Fond memories there, as well as sadness. A few didn't make it that far. 1 guy died from drinking rubbing alcohol, another, a good friend, OD-ed from heroin right after we got back from the retreat. Another got shot dealing crack.
I recall 1 fella, Tom, biker, atheist, racist, felon, lots of hate, an exception was made and he was let in the program because he said he was "curious about this Jesus thing." Said his addiction was hate. 3 months later he got up in front of everyone and professed Jesus as his Lord and Savior. I was his supervisor, and I witnessed some of the changes God made in him. Miraculous to be sure!
I still keep in touch with many who graduated; we do a Superbowl party every year, and until a year ago (moved) I taught a few classes there, anger management and bible classes and such, and did some counseling, bottom line is we try to stay connected, for support and growth. A support structure is extremely important.
There are other friends I lost touch with whom I found out died from drugs or alcohol, and I can only hope they were saved.
The Pastor who ran the program was an Associate Pastor at the church we attended, so that church was attuned to our special needs (and gifts!). But not all churches are, nor are they spiritually mature and equipped enough to deal with it, and though they don't outright turn folks like me away, they do whisper behind our backs and make subtle hints for us to please move on to another church.
I've had several churches do this here where I've moved to, as I continue to seek out a church to become a member of, and I hear it from some places of worship where my band plays, places that, upon hearing the felonious testimonies of 2 of my bandmates, become obviously nervous. Two have asked us to not return, giving us some wishy-washy excuse that our "message" was too disturbing but couldn't give us a for-example.
I'm sorry you lost touch with your friends, Lynn, but at the same time I'm glad you posted what you did, because it reminds me I'm due to make a few phone calls.
Confession, I didn't even notice the word until the action that happened after it. I had to go back to reread to catch it.
Were you born-again during the time of the Jesus Movement? I was but toward the end of it. It always struck me strange that people in church were dressed conservatively. Now looking back I'm still laughing. How are checkered suits and bell bottoms conservative? lol
Were you born-again during the time of the Jesus Movement? I was but toward the end of it. It always struck me strange that people in church were dressed conservatively. Now looking back I'm still laughing. How are checkered suits and bell bottoms conservative? lol
WOW that is going back, bell bottom pants is going back quite a bit ago, do you remember the super bell bottoms that Levi used to make with the low riding waist line with the bells so big that they could cover your shoes, do you remember? I had a friend that loved those pants, he had plenty of those hip huggers with the liberty bell size opening at the bottom of those pant leggs.
As for the Jesus people movement I also was saved at the end of the movement. There are a couple of ways to look at that movement, some say the Holy Spirit was moving in the hearts of men and women by regenerating the hearts so they could see the kingdom of God and answer the call of the Lord to salvation. So they could place their faith/believe and repent of all thier sins and become open to His justification and be adopted into the family of the Lord, Hallelujah!!!
I also remember all the men wearing thier suits to Church to look good, I thing that was great for them for me I am not a suit wearer. I did start wearing a tie to Church when I first became a believer, but have since repented from it and wear casual attire. I believe they call it business casual attire now, any way don't know why I started talking about that, but I do not think it matters what a person wears to Church as long as the person shows up to hear the Word of God so that they might grow in the Lord as II Peter 3:17-18 tells us.
“You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.”
I love verse 18, to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Hallelujah!!! This should be the aim of our lives in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior.
I forgot to mention that my hope and prayer is that this heroin addict would have this happen in her life, that she would become addicted to Jesus our Lord and Savior. That she would fall in love with His word and read it as much as she can, so that she can know Him and all of His grace and knowledge, that she would grow in it, that it would satisfy she every need in her life and her children lives and all who are in her family. That the born again person will reveal Jesus to all her family to the point that she is a living epistle to her family and friends, that she would be as II Corinthians 3:2-3 says.
“You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read by all men;3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.”
“You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read by all men;3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.”
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I answer easily to "Lynn, "Depleted," and "Dinner!" lol
And, wow! Two years! That is a hard decision. I'd be stuck between "I can't take two years out of my life" and, "Well, duh now! What's the likelihood of still being alive in two years at the rate I'm going?" As obvious as that choice is, I was too much of a mess to know if I would have made the right decision.
Another reasons I've lost touch with so many of those friends was because it was the late 70's. Hard to keep up with friends from that long ago.
And, wow! Two years! That is a hard decision. I'd be stuck between "I can't take two years out of my life" and, "Well, duh now! What's the likelihood of still being alive in two years at the rate I'm going?" As obvious as that choice is, I was too much of a mess to know if I would have made the right decision.
Another reasons I've lost touch with so many of those friends was because it was the late 70's. Hard to keep up with friends from that long ago.
I said nothing about tolerating evil. Churches DO on occasion turn people away who are in need simply because of their past sin, even sometimes when the person is repentant and born again saved. Jesus told the adulteress's accusers "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" So they all looked at themselves "in the mirror" (my words) and walked away. Don't you think this applies? Or do you think criminals are unworthy to be saved and helped?
I also did not speak "cavalierly" of addiction. Au contraire, I have made it plain that I take it very seriously.
I also did not speak "cavalierly" of addiction. Au contraire, I have made it plain that I take it very seriously.
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Elephant bells! (What you called "super bell bottoms.") Mine were high-waisted, (Dad's gf made them for me. Even back then I preferred high-waisted, because of what they now call muffin top. lol) Do you remember that girl that tripped from the huge bell bottoms? You know, right in front of the entire class? Yeah. That was me. lol
It does pain me to see how many did not stay with the Lord since the Jesus Movement.
As for business attire? In 1979, I started going to a new church and liked it. I always wore clean jeans and a nice shirt, (end of disco era, so still had plenty. I was a disco diva, although my attire was closer to KC from KC and the Sunshine Band than Donna Summers, but at least you can imagine the clean shirts I wore.)
One of the women took me under her wings. I was looking for a new job, because my last ended. (Working for that rehab. It was a job through a grant, and the grant lasted 11 months.) I knew it was going to be a short-term job, so I had saved for the end, to keep me going until I found a new job, but she just thought I was broke. The church was kind enough to give some money for me to get job-interview clothes. So, she and I picked out a few outfits to mix and match, and then the next church service I came back in my clean jeans and nice shirt.
Her face dropped and she asked me why I wasn't wearing the new clothes, so I told her because this wasn't a job interview. Only then did I notice all the other women were wearing the kind of skirts and dresses she just bought me. Oopsie. The clothes were really a hint I should dress nicer. I think I shocked her when I told her the Lord has seen me sitting on a toilet, so it's too late to impress him by my outfit.
Thankfully, they didn't push it. Matter of fact, I ended up catching the eye of a guy because I wasn't wearing the uniform of most of the women. We've been married for 37 years now, and those people were friends from our old church -- the one where I really did get dressed to the nines one Saturday -- on our wedding day.
We just reconnected with many from that old church through FB recently. (How did everyone turn old since then? lol) Some of them have chuckled seeing me in jeans still. But they laughed because that's so me.
Meanwhile, you're right, the Lord really has been growing us over the decades. MAN! I feel like I grow at the speed of a jade plant -- it takes a really long time, but when I look back 40 years, I see he has changed me in some good ways.
It does pain me to see how many did not stay with the Lord since the Jesus Movement.
As for business attire? In 1979, I started going to a new church and liked it. I always wore clean jeans and a nice shirt, (end of disco era, so still had plenty. I was a disco diva, although my attire was closer to KC from KC and the Sunshine Band than Donna Summers, but at least you can imagine the clean shirts I wore.)
One of the women took me under her wings. I was looking for a new job, because my last ended. (Working for that rehab. It was a job through a grant, and the grant lasted 11 months.) I knew it was going to be a short-term job, so I had saved for the end, to keep me going until I found a new job, but she just thought I was broke. The church was kind enough to give some money for me to get job-interview clothes. So, she and I picked out a few outfits to mix and match, and then the next church service I came back in my clean jeans and nice shirt.
Her face dropped and she asked me why I wasn't wearing the new clothes, so I told her because this wasn't a job interview. Only then did I notice all the other women were wearing the kind of skirts and dresses she just bought me. Oopsie. The clothes were really a hint I should dress nicer. I think I shocked her when I told her the Lord has seen me sitting on a toilet, so it's too late to impress him by my outfit.
Thankfully, they didn't push it. Matter of fact, I ended up catching the eye of a guy because I wasn't wearing the uniform of most of the women. We've been married for 37 years now, and those people were friends from our old church -- the one where I really did get dressed to the nines one Saturday -- on our wedding day.
We just reconnected with many from that old church through FB recently. (How did everyone turn old since then? lol) Some of them have chuckled seeing me in jeans still. But they laughed because that's so me.
Meanwhile, you're right, the Lord really has been growing us over the decades. MAN! I feel like I grow at the speed of a jade plant -- it takes a really long time, but when I look back 40 years, I see he has changed me in some good ways.
A murder conviction?
perhaps i should give some perspective on the subject.
I have seen tolerance peddled with intimidation by those who seek to tickle ears.
Something like people talking about the speck and ignoring the plank.
For example.
i grew up in a fairly small neighborhood of a mixed multitude so to speak. Where all the children knew each other.
Then one day a few of my peers began to form gangs called rolling 60s( for those who dont know, this is a cripp gang)then next thing you know i hear that another gang is being formed in another neighborhood called (287 bloods)
this is merely a speck of the plank.
As for the plank.
Not one single actual gang member initiated these children into an established organized syndicate.
It only took a single worldly influence to plant a seed into my peers minds.
And they all acted out on their own in an emulating fashion. And to keep up the facade, many of the peers behavior escalated into violence, drug use, prostitution, and murder.
So to answer your question, i keep my distance from those who are easily swayed to violent acts.
As for propaganda.
Yeah, disgusting.
Not of God.
perhaps i should give some perspective on the subject.
I have seen tolerance peddled with intimidation by those who seek to tickle ears.
Something like people talking about the speck and ignoring the plank.
For example.
i grew up in a fairly small neighborhood of a mixed multitude so to speak. Where all the children knew each other.
Then one day a few of my peers began to form gangs called rolling 60s( for those who dont know, this is a cripp gang)then next thing you know i hear that another gang is being formed in another neighborhood called (287 bloods)
this is merely a speck of the plank.
As for the plank.
Not one single actual gang member initiated these children into an established organized syndicate.
It only took a single worldly influence to plant a seed into my peers minds.
And they all acted out on their own in an emulating fashion. And to keep up the facade, many of the peers behavior escalated into violence, drug use, prostitution, and murder.
So to answer your question, i keep my distance from those who are easily swayed to violent acts.
As for propaganda.
Yeah, disgusting.
Not of God.
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Do not contend with a man without cause, If he has done you no harm.
[h=1]Romans 12 New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]A Living Sacrifice[/h][FONT="]12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.[/FONT]
[h=3]Humble Service in the Body of Christ[/h][FONT="]3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober(sound) judgment(clarity), in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your[a]faith;
7 if it is serving, then serve;
if it is teaching, then teach;
8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement;
if it is giving, then give generously;
if it is to lead,[b] do it diligently;
if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.[/FONT]
[h=3]Love in Action[/h][FONT="]9Love must be sincere.
Hate what is evil; cling to what is Good.
10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves.11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[c] Do not be conceited.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e][/FONT]
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[FONT="]21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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we all have our 'crosses' to bear, and for some of us, they are, we think, just beyond our reach of understanding
at the different time of their lives -
yes, we have been asked by our Heavenly Father to succor all kinds of what the world calls felons -
was it pleasant, was it what we expected, was the out-come something that we could predict???
NO - but we submitted and obeyed what our Saviour asked of us...and guess what, so far, we
have been allowed by Him to be victorious in our endeavors, and as we obviously know, this
could only happen by His Holy Grace,..AMEN!
at the different time of their lives -
yes, we have been asked by our Heavenly Father to succor all kinds of what the world calls felons -
was it pleasant, was it what we expected, was the out-come something that we could predict???
NO - but we submitted and obeyed what our Saviour asked of us...and guess what, so far, we
have been allowed by Him to be victorious in our endeavors, and as we obviously know, this
could only happen by His Holy Grace,..AMEN!
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