When a cussing heroin addict shows up at church.

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i know whenever i wear a suit to church, i sure get judged by what i'm dressed in. ((!))

"you look nice" etc

i mean, c'mon... ;)
Despite dem bones, I always imagine you looking nice. Not as in well-dressed. More as in kind and empathetic.
 
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what about the actual story linked in the OP?

or, if you'd rather talk about the worst things you can find by followign links from the page, instead of what the OP's actually about, you might try looking closely at the article in question, esp. down at the bottom where it says "
this article originally appeared here.." -- linking to this website:

http://scottsauls.com/blog/2018/01/22/when-a-cussing-heroin-addict-shows-up-at-church/


so long as you insist on attacking the source rather than talking about the subject, you might do well to attack the actual source, or as close as you can get to it, this guy Scott's blog, not the site Lynn found it at.
Laziness on my part. I considered linking to the original blog, but then I would have had to check out who Scott was, and, ummm, no! Too lazy. :rolleyes:
 

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This isn't your traditional Christian story, but thought it might help some people see what a good church does, see where we start and end, and who our alpha and omega really is.
A quote from the article that brought tears to my eyes...

The next Sunday, Ann returned to church. Having limped out the door the previous Sunday, she returned with a spring in her step that said, “These are my people, and I want their God to be my God, too.

Thanks, Lynn. :)
 

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A quote from the article that brought tears to my eyes...

The next Sunday, Ann returned to church. Having limped out the door the previous Sunday, she returned with a spring in her step that said, “These are my people, and I want their God to be my God, too.

Thanks, Lynn. :)
How awesome would it be if every single blood bought, born again Christian treated one unbeliever once a week the way Jane treated this woman? Can you fathom what LOVE (JESUS)could do through us?

WOW!
 

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The issue should be on the woman and her two children.
This woman came into the house of God trying to find a better way...

Praise God for hearers of his word.
my reply was really not about the article in the original post.


My point was to 7777pinacled, who several times refered that if there was no drug dealers,
there would be no users. My stance is, if there was [no users] , dealers would be out of business.
 
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FB has connected me with some people that I started to go to Church with, all of them have left the Church some are growing in the Lord and the others have shown that they were not part of the body of Christ. It was that type of Church too, it had cultish characteristics to it if someone left the Church you were not susposed to talk to them because they might influance you to believe tha the Church had problems and it did.

I realized that I used the wrong words for my attire, I am not sure where you live but I live in Southern California and I was a heroin addict as well and my heritage is Mexican so I dressed like a Cholo or what people assumed was the Cholo look, people always asked my if I was from Victory Chapel and they always assumed I had done prison time because of the way I looked even with dressing. Just to let you knpow if you are not familar with Victory Chapel a large majority are ex-cons, herion addicts and/or were in gangs. After leaving that first Church, I started attending the Calvary Chapel's and I was really got into studying the Bible and theology, after studying how the 10 commandments bring us to the knowledge of our sins. Which lead to the understanding of how God had to extend His grace to us or we could never be saved by His regenerating grace. Now as an old man people still think that same thing about me, but when they understand that I believe in the Doctrines of Grace it throws them off, not sure why but it does.

I find it interesting that those that are still growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ have not come to understand the Doctrines of Grace. One of them has even written a book on Arminianism and their view of grace, the atonement and thier view of how salvation works or how the order is and he had a website. From what I understand he does not still do the website and I do not know what the name of the book(s) are, others have gone back to thier Pentecostal roots, others have come to understand eternal security and still go to the Calvary Chapel's but do not hold to the Doctrines of Grace.

Since my life has not went as well when it comes to marriage my life has not went as well as yours. I've been married twice, met my first wife in that first Church I attended she stopped going to Church about two years before she left me. She got pregant about 6 months after leaving, I tried to support her through the
pregnancy to the point I was in the delivery room with her. I was willing to work it out and it messed me up when after being up all night for the delivery, I went home to take a nap and when I returned the babies father was there, that hurt. But the baby she has never met her real father, she calls me dad, she staied here with me and her sister with-in the last 4 months.

My second wife was also attending Church when I met her, when she left she had a boyfriend with-in 4 months and possibly was dating after leaving me, but I do not know that for sure. That was about 10 years ago and she did something that hurt me deeply, to the point that 6 weeks ago at my sisters 60th birthday party we were looking at pictures and a picture of her daughter was being looked at and I started to cry and was messed up for the rest of the week. I was very much in love with her, my first wife was a basic set up marriage of the Church, I did love her but my second wife was more of someone I fell in love with before we were married, were my first wife I fell in love with after we were married.

So I have had my good times with the Lord and I have had my low times, yet He was with me in those times that caused me to grow in His grace and knowledge of Him, it was a beautiful time of growth.

Anyway I am not trying to bum anyone out so I will stop, pray for me to be healed from the hurt and pain of my second divorce, thanks for all prayers in advance.
Your life sounds similar to hubby's first marriage -- a child that wasn't his became the reason he married his first wife, and that daughter considers him her dad. Also not a happily ever after for the daughter or the marriage. (Still not for the daughter, but getting better ever so slowly.)

Some times I wonder if having a tough life is God's way of preparing us to look forward to next life. One thing for sure. I'm definitely not as committed to staying alive as I used to be. lol Not in a reckless way. More like something my great uncle said to his little sister once. He was 93 and had just lost his oldest son to... well basically to old age. And Gram was 91. He asked her, "What did we do so wrong that God hasn't called us home yet?"

Gram had no idea either, but she died two years later, and he died three years later.
 
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how could we NOT pray for such a lonely and lost soul??? try and keep your heart and desires
on Jesus, else you will stay in a state of a lost soul with out hope...
He's got Jesus, so he's got hope!
 
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Amen Sister, we all need to have hearts that are humble towards those that are new to the faith, it is up to us to extend the love of Christ to those that have just experienced, Romans 5:8-11
“But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.”

Think back to that time that the Holy Spirit had set you free, John 8:36 “So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” Now that we are freed to believe/have faith and repent it is something that we have never expirienced so a guiding hand would be welcomed. Without even knowing it a simple word of encouragement goes a long way. My brother-in-law has told me that some words that I related to him as a new believer helped him to understandwhat was happening in his life. He was feeling like he did not belong and that the Lord could not save him.all I said was if the Lord could save a guy like me He could save anyone. I know not the best theology in the world, but at the time he did not need perfect theology he just needed someone to relate to him and the Lord used me to start.

I know that my first pastor did the same thing for me, he held up an outreach so that he could team me up with another brother that was a heroin addict when the Lord set him free. I remember the brother relating his testamony to me on how he had his sluggles when he first believed in the Lord and it helped me when I was going through the same thing.

We never know when or what a owrd of encouragement can do to help a new believer.
Or an old believer.

I'm Jonah. Sure, I could have taken the ship to Nineveh and just do what the Lord would have me do, but, noooooooo. I'm the nut that got there via fish-guts.
 

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Praise God for hearers of his word.
my reply was really not about the article in the original post.


My point was to 7777pinacled, who several times refered that if there was no drug dealers,
there would be no users. My stance is, if there was [no users] , dealers would be out of business.
I only quoted you so that followers on the thread wouldnt get lost...nothing towards you...just brotherly love
 

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Reminds me of a guy i know. He was a really bad heroin junkie. He would vandalize things, pee against Windows etc.
I was the only one who talked to him. Once a dude full on cocaine showed up at our fair and provoked him, i was able to calm him down after i kept telling him Jesus wins.

Well he decided he wanted to marry me and i declined a few times. But always kept building him up.
So the next time he got into therapy was the last.
He has been clean for over 2 years, got his son again and is looking for a job
 
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A quote from the article that brought tears to my eyes...

The next Sunday, Ann returned to church. Having limped out the door the previous Sunday, she returned with a spring in her step that said, “These are my people, and I want their God to be my God, too.

Thanks, Lynn. :)
She had no idea she was repeating Ruth.

And what Ruth said was my marriage vow to John.

Ruth 1: 16-17
[FONT=&quot] “Do not urge me to leave you or to return from following you. For where you go I will go, and where you lodge I will lodge. Your people shall be my people, and your God my God.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]17 Where you die I will die, and there will I be buried. May the Lord do so to me and more also if anything but death parts me from you.”[/FONT]
 

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Or an old believer.

I'm Jonah. Sure, I could have taken the ship to Nineveh and just do what the Lord would have me do, but, noooooooo. I'm the nut that got there via fish-guts.
and got there smellin like roses in the end! thank you Jesus for your lessons with a blessin!
 

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She had no idea she was repeating Ruth.

And what Ruth said was my marriage vow to John.

Ruth 1: 16-17
“Do not urge me to leave you or to return from following you. For where you go I will go, and where you lodge I will lodge. Your people shall be my people, and your God my God.17 Where you die I will die, and there will I be buried. May the Lord do so to me and more also if anything but death parts me from you.”

Thats's awesome Lynn. You gave me chills!
 

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Your life sounds similar to hubby's first marriage -- a child that wasn't his became the reason he married his first wife, and that daughter considers him her dad. Also not a happily ever after for the daughter or the marriage. (Still not for the daughter, but getting better ever so slowly.)

Some times I wonder if having a tough life is God's way of preparing us to look forward to next life. One thing for sure. I'm definitely not as committed to staying alive as I used to be. lol Not in a reckless way. More like something my great uncle said to his little sister once. He was 93 and had just lost his oldest son to... well basically to old age. And Gram was 91. He asked her, "What did we do so wrong that God hasn't called us home yet?"

Gram had no idea either, but she died two years later, and he died three years later.

That's great that they went home. I remember at my 50th birthday my uncle Don told me he did not think I was going to live that long, I told him neither did I. Sorry to hear about your hubby's daughter, mine are doing okay and my oldest just got a job with Kaiser Permanente which is a healthcare company here is So.Cal. So now my sisters, daughters, nieces, nephew and a few cousins work there.

I just found out that the Church I go to supports a Church in Turkey and I feel like starting to exercise so I don't need my canes to walk and hopefully I can go over there for a month or two to do some evangelism, so please pray for my, if God is guiding that He would provide as will as guide.
 

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I Hope and pray new believers will stay away from the internet
and read and study the Word with the Comforter.

Our Lord has Graciously provided us all with the Holy Scriptures to read.
And seek fellowship with a congregation.

Services are provided every Sunday morning.
So you are for [no new believers] coming to this christian chat site, that's on the internet?
What if someone is laid up and can not go anywhere? Why on Sunday?
I read in the N.T. the Sabbath was when they went to hear the bible read.
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So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words
might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
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Also not sure what you where trying to say to me in your post 68 reply?
 
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So you are for [no new believers] coming to this christian chat site, that's on the internet?
What if someone is laid up and can not go anywhere? Why on Sunday?
I read in the N.T. the Sabbath was when they went to hear the bible read.
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So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words
might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
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Also not sure what you where trying to say to me in your post 68 reply?
I said the internet,
just as a poster here was recently misled, by an internet article leading her to nearly curse God without her knowledge.

A new believer needs to first read and study.
And if possible, yes, seek an elder or anyone who is Faithful to study with.
Discipleship will come after the Healing of the soul and body.


2 Timothy 2 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

2 So then, you, my son, be empowered by the grace that comes from the Messiah Yeshua. 2 And the things you heard from me, which were supported by many witnesses, these things commit to faithful people, such as will be competent to teach others also. 3 Accept your share in suffering disgrace as a good soldier of the Messiah Yeshua. 4 No soldier on duty gets involved with civilian affairs, since he has to please his commanding officer. 5 Also an athlete can’t win a contest unless he competes according to the rules. 6 The farmer who has done the hard work should be the first to receive a share of the harvest. 7 Think about what I am saying, for the Lord will enable you to understand everything.
8 Remember Yeshua the Messiah, who was raised from the dead, who was a descendant of David. This is the Good News I proclaim, 9 and for which I am suffering to the point of being bound in chains — but the Word of God is not bound in chains! 10 Why do I persevere through it all? For the sake of those who have been chosen, so that they too may obtain the deliverance that comes through the Messiah Yeshua, with eternal glory. 11 Here is a statement you can trust:
If we have died with him,
we will also live with him.
12 If we persevere,
we will also rule with him


If we disown him,
he will also disown us.
13 If we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.


14 Keep reminding people of this, and charge them solemnly before the Lord not to engage in word-battles. They accomplish nothing useful and are a catastrophe for the hearers! 15 Do all you can to present yourself to God as someone worthy of his approval, as a worker with no need to be ashamed, because he deals straightforwardly with the Word of the Truth. 16 But keep away from godless babbling, for those who engage in it will only become more ungodly, 17 and their teaching will eat away at people like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are among these; 18 they have missed the mark, as far as the truth is concerned, by saying that our resurrection has already taken place; and they are overturning some people’s faith. 19 Nevertheless, God’s firm foundation stands, stamped with these words:
“The Lord knows his own,”[a]

and,
“Let everyone who claims he belongs to the Lord
stand apart from wrongdoing.”[b]


20 In a large house there are dishes and pots not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay. That is, some are meant for honorable use and some for dishonorable. 21 If a person keeps himself free of defilement by the latter, he will be a vessel set aside for honorable use by the master of the house and ready for every kind of good work.

22 So, flee the passions of youth;
and, walk along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart, pursue righteousness, faithfulness, love and peace.

23 But stay away from stupid and ignorant controversies — you know that they lead to fights, 24 and a slave of the Lord shouldn’t fight.

On the contrary, he should be kind to everyone, a good teacher, and not resentful when mistreated. 25 Also he should be gentle as he corrects his opponents. For God may perhaps grant them the opportunity to turn from their sins, acquire full knowledge of the truth, 26 come to their senses and escape the trap of the Adversary, after having been captured alive by him to do his will.
 
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So you are for [no new believers] coming to this christian chat site, that's on the internet?
What if someone is laid up and can not go anywhere? Why on Sunday?
I read in the N.T. the Sabbath was when they went to hear the bible read.
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So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words
might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
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Also not sure what you where trying to say to me in your post 68 reply?
oh, if you would like to discuss the Royal Law.
The School master brings us to the Holy One(Christ)..

First you will need to have a house with a roof to speak from, one that is properly formed with the Comforters signature.
 
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So you are for [no new believers] coming to this christian chat site, that's on the internet?
What if someone is laid up and can not go anywhere? Why on Sunday?
I read in the N.T. the Sabbath was when they went to hear the bible read.
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So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words
might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
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Also not sure what you where trying to say to me in your post 68 reply?
Imagine trying the read an article or story that is over 300 words. Now imagine that it was written in English but every E was written as a W, every V is written as an S, and all the rest of the letters stayed the same, (including the V and S's.) You could read it, right? You could almost make sense of it, right? But it would never ever make perfect sense to you, and by the time you were done trying to get the sense of it, you would have a headache, right?

Yeah. Honestly. That's what it's like to try and figure out anything 77's says.
 
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Well ok, to get to cc forums, [Christian Chat Rooms & Forums @ Christian Chat .com!,
you do know you have to be [on the internet] to do that, right?
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these?
Law
Love God with all your heart.


No Ammonite or Moabite or any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation.

Pretty sure this means never.

Prophets.
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the rulers.
King of kings.
A royal priesthood will never take bribes nor curse the Lord.?

Remember how Abraham was approached and offered a bribe?
To ignore the royal law in this circumstance is to take the mark of the beast. From such turn away.
It is the false teachers peddling tolerance to those who are lacking in knowledge.

If some do not heed to the Word of the Most High, there is nothing I can do but warm others to avoid these criminal elements looking to offer blood money.
 
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