When are we saved ?
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Would they have been able to come to Jesus had the Father not drawn them? John 6:44
And did they figure out that Jesus was the Messiah all by their lonesome? Did flesh and blood reveal it? Or did the Father reveal it?
The Father revealed it. So was the Father revealing to them the true identity of the Son before they believed an act of prevenient grace?
And did they figure out that Jesus was the Messiah all by their lonesome? Did flesh and blood reveal it? Or did the Father reveal it?
The Father revealed it. So was the Father revealing to them the true identity of the Son before they believed an act of prevenient grace?
Before we go there...why were they unable to come? Because God prevented them or because they prevented themselves?
2) Did he draw anyone?
3) Did they believe Jesus when they were drawn to him ? Maybe only those that believed were the only ones raised ?
4 ) It says they CAN come if they are drawn. As its apparent that they all left Jesus what does this tell us ?
Then read John 12 which refutes all gnostic conclusions about John 6 ..
But they were saved by the hope of redemption promised before by the prophets in the Holy Scriptures. Romans 1:1-2. Luke 2:38
We look back with a full picture and full revelation given ( The complete Bible) and all mysteries revealed . This is were we hear silly things like " oh they were looking forward to the cross " nonsense.
You are incorrect. Read John 6:35 and note the parallelism there.
1. No man could come to Jesus unless the Father drew them.
2. Coming to Jesus was synomous with faith in Jesus
3. A necessary work of God before one could be able to believe/come th Jesus
Prevenient Grace v
2. Coming to Jesus was synomous with faith in Jesus
3. A necessary work of God before one could be able to believe/come th Jesus
Prevenient Grace v
1. No man could come to Jesus unless the Father drew them.
2. Coming to Jesus was synomous with faith in Jesus
3. A necessary work of God before one could be able to believe/come th Jesus
Prevenient Grace v
2. Coming to Jesus was synomous with faith in Jesus
3. A necessary work of God before one could be able to believe/come th Jesus
Prevenient Grace v
If drawing by the father was a prerequisite before the cross then they could only come if he was drawing . The better questions are 1) what way was he drawing ( verse 45 helps )
2) Did he draw anyone?
3) Did they believe Jesus when they were drawn to him ? Maybe only those that believed were the only ones raised ?
4 ) It says they CAN come if they are drawn. As its apparent that they all left Jesus what does this tell us ?
Then read John 12 which refutes all gnostic conclusions about John 6 ..
2) Did he draw anyone?
3) Did they believe Jesus when they were drawn to him ? Maybe only those that believed were the only ones raised ?
4 ) It says they CAN come if they are drawn. As its apparent that they all left Jesus what does this tell us ?
Then read John 12 which refutes all gnostic conclusions about John 6 ..
B. Those who were drawn believed. John 6;44-45
C. It does not say specifically they can come if drawn. What it says is they cannot come if not drawn.
What was keeping them from coming? I say their blindness caused by unbelief and sin. What do you say?
You think everyone that followed Jesus around and ate with him and watched his miracles
Like the rich young ruler who CAME RUNNING AND KNELT BEFORE JESUS CALLING HIM MASTER ?
Like the rich young ruler who CAME RUNNING AND KNELT BEFORE JESUS CALLING HIM MASTER ?
B. A lot of people now and pay lip service that have no real faith.
1. No man could come to Jesus unless the Father drew them.
2. Coming to Jesus was synomous with faith in Jesus
3. A necessary work of God before one could be able to believe/come th Jesus
Prevenient Grace v
2. Coming to Jesus was synomous with faith in Jesus
3. A necessary work of God before one could be able to believe/come th Jesus
Prevenient Grace v
A. If Jesus said “ no one could come unless drawn” it is clear that people were being drawn to Him, not nevessarily here, but in His lifetime. Because people did come
B. Those who were drawn believed. John 6;44-45
C. It does not say specifically they can come if drawn. What it says is they cannot come if not drawn.
What was keeping them from coming? I say their blindness caused by unbelief and sin. What do you say?
B. Those who were drawn believed. John 6;44-45
C. It does not say specifically they can come if drawn. What it says is they cannot come if not drawn.
What was keeping them from coming? I say their blindness caused by unbelief and sin. What do you say?
When Jesus says He will draw ALL men to him . Shouldn't this make you realise that drawing is not what saves . Its not causing people to believe when drawn . Try ' Attract ' instead.
I suppose Jesus is drawing all men to Him because otherwise they would not be able to come if He didn’t. For the same reason the Jews in chapter 6 were unable to come, and the same reason the rich young ruler was unwilling to come, and the same reason Jesus said “ with men, impossible, but with God all things are possible