When Children Pass On

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John146

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We are born sinners...we must be born-again to receive the new Divine Nature.
We are born with a sin nature. We are not born sinners. We will eventually sin, given time. Babies are not sinners. They have the nature to sin.
 
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We are born with a sin nature. We are not born sinners. We will eventually sin, given time. Babies are not sinners. They have the nature to sin.
Psalms 51:5

“5 Behold, I was shaped in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. (Unequivocally, this Verse proclaims the fact of original sin. This Passage states that all are born in sin, and as a result of Adam’s Fall in the Garden of Eden.

When Adam, as the federal head of the human race, failed, this means that all of humanity failed. It means that all who would be born would, in effect, be born lost.

As a result of this, the Second Man, the Last Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ, had to come into this world, in effect, God becoming Man, to undo what the original Adam did. He would have to keep the Law of God perfectly, which He did, all as our Substitute, and then pay the penalty for the terrible sin debt owed by all of mankind, for all had broken the Law, which He did by giving Himself on the Cross of Calvary [Jn. 3:16].

To escape the judgment of original sin, man must be “born again,” which is carried out by the believing sinner expressing Faith in Christ and what Christ did at the Cross [Jn. 3:3; Eph. 2:8–9].)

JSM
 

JohnR7

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I haven’t read much about where children go after death.
I had a dream about my daughter in Heaven. Even though she would have been around 40 here on earth in Heaven she was more like two years old. So maybe by the time I get there she will be around 3. They say in some cases they age very slow in Heaven so that you can raise them when you get there.
 

JamOn

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From what we know of God’s nature(Or I should say what He has revealed to us) is that He judges with righteousness. A 5 year old is certainly sinful by their very nature. Do they truly know this as their minds are so immature? I don’t think so. Some others posted scripture that supports this concept.

If we have faith that God is good in all He does, one would assume that God doesn’t hold this little ones accountable as He would say a 40 year old man who does know right from wrong.
It was a simple comparison of a week old and a 5 year old I could say the same about a 90 year old.

The point is All souls belong to God even the murder and He will spit out what needs to be, it’s His business and questioning rather a unborn child is comdemned without even having a chance to accept or reject is morbid.

I notice others using scripture to justify unborn children being judge are not welcome in heaven or something where are they going with those verses is not a good direction. I don’t know it’s quite odd though to see people posts scripture knowing very well God isn’t going to condemn a unborn child without even being able to draw first breath is nuts.
 

Aerials1978

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I had a dream about my daughter in Heaven. Even though she would have been around 40 here on earth in Heaven she was more like two years old. So maybe by the time I get there she will be around 3. They say in some cases they age very slow in Heaven so that you can raise them when you get there.
Thank you for sharing that. I know you will see her again!
 

JamOn

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Psalms 51:5

“5 Behold, I was shaped in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. (Unequivocally, this Verse proclaims the fact of original sin. This Passage states that all are born in sin, and as a result of Adam’s Fall in the Garden of Eden.

When Adam, as the federal head of the human race, failed, this means that all of humanity failed. It means that all who would be born would, in effect, be born lost.

As a result of this, the Second Man, the Last Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ, had to come into this world, in effect, God becoming Man, to undo what the original Adam did. He would have to keep the Law of God perfectly, which He did, all as our Substitute, and then pay the penalty for the terrible sin debt owed by all of mankind, for all had broken the Law, which He did by giving Himself on the Cross of Calvary [Jn. 3:16].

To escape the judgment of original sin, man must be “born again,” which is carried out by the believing sinner expressing Faith in Christ and what Christ did at the Cross [Jn. 3:3; Eph. 2:8–9].)

JSM
Nothing to do with unborn children, their not given the opportunity to accept or reject.

complete misuse of scripture to justify your unborn baby tossing.
 

Aerials1978

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It was a simple comparison of a week old and a 5 year old I could say the same about a 90 year old.

The point is All souls belong to God even the murder and He will spit out what needs to be, it’s His business and questioning rather a unborn child is comdemned without even having a chance to accept or reject is morbid.

I notice others using scripture to justify unborn children being judge are not welcome in heaven or something where are they going with those verses is not a good direction. I don’t know it’s quite odd though to see people posts scripture knowing very well God isn’t going to condemn a unborn child without even being able to draw first breath is nuts.
Some people believe they are speaking the word, but in actuality their being mean spirited. Another despicable aspect of a fallen creation.
 

John146

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There is no sin in Heaven, do they have a different nature there then we have here?
No, they have a nature that will lead them to sin. No one is condemned to hell because of Adam’s sin. All will sin eventually. The Lord allowed these little ones in the promise land because they had not sinned against Him yet.

Deut. 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.
 

dcontroversal

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Recently, a dear friend of mine daughters child passed away. He was only 5 months along in gestation. Very sad for the whole family. It made think of God and His mercy and love. I haven’t read much about where children go after death. I take solace in what David said with regards to his infant son who died after only one week:

But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."
2 Samuel 12:23

I take this as God brings those little ones who are not mature enough to know what right and wrong is to Himself. What are your views on child death and salvation?
I agree and don't pay any attention to post number 2.....he does not know what he is talking about.....
 

dcontroversal

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Gotta love the fools that say God sends babies to hell......pure religious poppycock!
 

JohnR7

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No, they have a nature that will lead them to sin. No one is condemned to hell because of Adam’s sin. All will sin eventually. The Lord allowed these little ones in the promise land because they had not sinned against Him yet.

Deut. 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.
Here we go again. I just did a study on a scripture with the words good and evil in it that someone pointed out to me. I am not interested in someone elses translation. I want to look at the original Hebrew and I want to look at the other scriptures that use these words.

This all begins in Genesis chapter 2:9 with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Good seems to be consistent and always spelled the same. There are many variations on letters used to make the word evil.

Jesus makes it very clear that Heaven is all about children. If we do not like children and want to teach children then Heaven is not going to be the right place for us. My father was a pedestrian. He devoted 50 years of his life to taking care of the children. Plus all the years he spent getting educated to be able to do that job.
 

JohnR7

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I know you will see her again!
I will see a lot of people in Heaven. My daughter had a bunch of toys. Maybe 50 or 60 of them. Yet they were all still brand new, in the box. She had never played with them. Later on I found out that those were gifts from family members that had been there to visit her. She did not understand why I did not bring her a gift because she did not know at the time I was her father. They were pretty excited when they found out later on who I was. I just hope more parents can be reconciled to their children so they can go to heaven to be with them. I know it is Heaven and they are all happy there. But I think it would be a little sad if parents do not make it to heaven to be reconciled with their children.
 

Chris1975

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Recently, a dear friend of mine daughters child passed away. He was only 5 months along in gestation. Very sad for the whole family. It made think of God and His mercy and love. I haven’t read much about where children go after death. I take solace in what David said with regards to his infant son who died after only one week:

But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."
2 Samuel 12:23

I take this as God brings those little ones who are not mature enough to know what right and wrong is to Himself. What are your views on child death and salvation?
Ofcourse children go to the Lord. They have not sinned against their conscience. Look at what Paul writes:

Romans 7 NKJV

9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

Romans 7 Amplified

9 I was once alive without [knowledge of] the Law; but when the commandment came [and I understood its meaning], sin became alive and I died [since the Law sentenced me to death].

What the above scriptures mean is that Paul too was a child and his conscience was guilt free. But when the commandment came and he became aware of the transgression, sin came alive and he died (separation from God). Who knows when this age is (the age of accountability). But God does. This is the significance of Bar and Bat Mitzvah in the Jewish culture. A symbolic observance of what it means to become accountable for your actions.
 

jb

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We all are born sinners.
Really?

Isaiah 53v6 say that "have gone astray" and not "born astray"!

Ezek 18v20 says the same...

And the Lord Jesus says in Matt 19v14 that "little children" are members of the "Kingdom of Heaven," and so if they die go straight into the Presence of God in Heaven!