When does the millennium begin?

[UnitedWithChrist]

would recommend the book, A Case for Amillennialism, by Kim Riddlebarger, for a good understanding on this topic.

Dispensationalists are not even aware that there are other options, for the most part.

Here's what you must believe as a dispensationalist:

You must necessarily believe that physical death will continue to exist beyond the time of Christ’s second coming

You must necessarily believe that the natural creation will continue, beyond the time of Christ’s second coming, to be subjected to the curse imposed by the fall of man.

You must necessarily believe that the New Heavens and New Earth will not be introduced until 1,000 years subsequent to the return of Christ.

You must necessarily believe that unbelieving men and women will still have the opportunity to come to saving faith in Christ for at least 1,000 years subsequent to his return.

You must necessarily believe that unbelievers will not be finally resurrected until at least 1,000 years subsequent to the return of Christ.

You must necessarily believe that unbelievers will not be finally judged and cast into eternal punishment until at least 1,000 years subsequent to the return of Christ.

Here's an article which addresses the problems with each of these claims, by an ex-dispensationalist, Sam Storms.

By the way, the problem is not only with dispensationalists, it is a problem with historical premillennialism.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/...u-must-believe-if-you-are-a-premillennialist/

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Here's a pdf file with an article by Sam Storms that explains the problems with premillennialism, including dispensationalism, very well.

i don't think the link I listed above works.

Sam is an amillennialist like myself. He used to be a dispensationalist. He has written a book "Kingdom Come: The Amillennial Alternative" on this matter.

Kim Riddlebarger's book "A Case For Amillennialism" is also excellent.

I challenge dispensationalists or historical premillennialists to refute his arguments. I find them rock solid.

I used to be a premillennialist myself.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

You must necessarily believe that unbelievers will not be finally resurrected until at least 1,000 years subsequent to the return of Christ.

You must necessarily believe that unbelievers will not be finally judged and cast into eternal punishment until at least 1,000 years subsequent to the return of Christ.

Here's an article which addresses the problems with each of these claims, by an ex-dispensationalist, Sam Storms.

[besides the problems I already pointed out with Sam Storm's take on it... in past posts discussing with you]

you may recall my posts to the effect of [this quoted post below]:

[quoting excerpt from old post]

[...] noticed its many biblical flaws. I'm going to mention just one ([...<snip>...], it IS however a point made by the Amill-teachings' viewpoint):

1 Corinthians 15:23-28 (note especially the bold I'm pointing out) -

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. [<---note how far apart, time-wise, these two listed items take place]

24 Then [G1534 - eita ] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


The word "G1534 - eita - THEN" is a SEQUENCE word ONLY "with no time-element attached" to it (unlike another Greek word translated "then" which is "G5119 - tote" like is used in 2Th2:8 and other places). THIS word for "THEN" (G1534) is only with regard to "SEQUENCE"... and if you'll notice the THREE items LISTED here START with Jesus' own Resurrection some 2000 YEARS [+] before the NEXT LISTED item.

So it is no problem at all for the THIRD LISTED item to be speaking of something that SEQUENTIALLY takes place 1000 years after the second listed item! (Note: the word "coming [cometh]" is not in the text. The text just reads "THEN [G1534] the end"... and it is NOT "THEN IMMEDIATELY the end," as the Amill-teaching skews it to mean! [it means, instead, "THEN [SEQUENTIALLY] the end"--but the first two items LISTED are some-2000 YEARS APART, see NO PROBLEM for the NEXT item to be 1000 YEARS "sequentially" AFTER that (in this LIST of THREE ITEMS)! ])

 

[Whispered]

The 1000 years mentioned in Rev. Startes after the first resurrection.
Just after Jesus returns, which is close.

If Jesus first resurrection was from the tomb in first century A.D., and our faith is just over 2000 years old.....

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

And then I also pointed out the PARALLELS of Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 with that of the FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23]... showing a SAME "time-period" FOLLOWING the Rev19:19,21 [etc] point in time (i.e. the point in time of His "RETURN" to the earth ).