When does the millennium begin?

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No; I understand that the word has several meanings. You only demonstrate understanding of one.
Hi Thanks for the reply

We must be careful on how we hear our Father not seen. Satan is looking to snatch the seed of faith before it takes hold and works in us to both will and perform his labor of love. . . also called work of faith

Which one understanding would that be, the literal reasoning according to the letter of the law (walking by sight) or the spiritual not seen (faith to faith) as the unseen. . . revealed understanding? Like Jesus said to Peter; not what do men say but what does our unseen Father in heaven say. Does he get a voice? Or like the faithless Jews he has no voice. They have the doctrines of men as a law of the fathers .Which does make the faith that comes from hearing God without effect.

I say the temporal seen must be mixed with the unseen eternal . You keep talking about foretelling and not the past telling and the present telling that works in us, not of us. .

You have on more than one occasions in regard to parables and tongues stated that neither are prophecy. Are they prophecy? The same with the word apostle separating it from the intent. Beautiful feet .

Can a apostle be sent without prophecy as it is written .With the it representing the living faith of Christ that can work in us to both will and do His good pleasure? Can the teacher the Holy Spirit teach us without applying his living abiding word? Is the word apostle a stand alone like a statue word .

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

Define prophecy and how it relates to parables? And apostles as to how they relate to parables, which without Christ spoke not. And

Prophetic is simply the revealing of prophecy a work of the Holy Spirit

Parables the "faith" teaching tools.
 

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Which one understanding would that be, the literal reasoning according to the letter of the law (walking by sight) or the spiritual not seen (faith to faith) as the unseen. . . revealed understanding? Like Jesus said to Peter; not what do men say but what does our unseen Father in heaven say. Does he get a voice? Or like the faithless Jews he has no voice. They have the doctrines of men as a law of the fathers .Which does make the faith that comes from hearing God without effect.
Are you able to focus on one subject without dragging in a bunch of irrelevance?

I say the temporal seen must be mixed with the unseen eternal . You keep talking about foretelling and not the past telling and the present telling that works in us, not of us. .
I keep saying rightly that the word "prophecy" has several meanings, of which "foretelling" is one. It happens to be the most common one.

You have on more than one occasions in regard to parables and tongues stated that neither are prophecy. Are they prophecy? The same with the word apostle separating it from the intent. Beautiful feet .
I still say that tongues and prophecy are distinct, because Paul clearly distinguishes them. I also say that, generally, prophecy and parables are distinct, though parables may be prophetic (foretelling).

Prophetic is simply the revealing of prophecy a work of the Holy Spirit
That is only one of several definitions. The word has several. Because you use only this definition, you can't comprehend distinctions between prophecy (foretelling) and other forms of biblical literature.

Parables the "faith" teaching tools.
No, parables were specifically used by Jesus to hide truths from the unbelieving. That is clearly stated in Scripture. They are not "faith teaching tools". Most of the parables simply explain the nature of the kingdom of God. Of course, you won't grasp that either, because you also use an all-encompassing (and incorrect) definition for "parable" instead of the commonly-accepted and correct definition.
 
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I keep saying rightly that the word "prophecy" has several meanings, of which "foretelling" is one. It happens to be the most common one.
The most common one is not fortune telling. That would seem to represent sign and wonder seekers referred to as faithless.

I would think the most common use of prophecy, the living word of God is when we mix faith the unseen eternal with the temporal things seen. So that we can rest knowing he is working in us to both will and do His good pleasure . The law of faith as it is written is the most common use of prophecy . The let there be. . and there was

I still say that tongues and prophecy are distinct, because Paul clearly distinguishes them. I also say that, generally, prophecy and parables are distinct, though parables may be prophetic (foretelling).
Prophetic (relating to or characteristic of a prophet or prophecy.) Like to the law and prophets. The two witness of God

That is only one of several definitions. The word has several. Because you use only this definition, you can't comprehend distinctions between prophecy (foretelling) and other forms of biblical literature.
Sure I can. . . . still leaning. Can you?
 
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No, parables were specifically used by Jesus to hide truths from the unbelieving. That is clearly stated in Scripture. They are not "faith teaching tools". Most of the parables simply explain the nature of the kingdom of God. Of course, you won't grasp that either, because you also use an all-encompassing (and incorrect) definition for "parable" instead of the commonly-accepted and correct definition.
Two fold purpose. Hide the gospel understanding from unbelievers while interpreting it as it is written. . . from faith. . . believing God. . . to faith believing God not seen, in respect to those who do not walk by sight. But rather. The new creatures Christians. . Parables teach a person how to walk by faith .That can be seen in many areas in the Bible.

Mark 4:10-12 King James Version (KJV) And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

The converting power of parables, part of the good news ..gospel .

In Mark 9 and Luke 9 it seem the Holy Spirit ministry to bring sight to the blind and blind those who say they see continued to teach them how to hear one not seen, our father in heaven . Three times he spoke a parable hiding the unseen spiritual understanding for that very purpose ..I would say a humbling tool. That seems to be used coming from mountain experiences .Bringing the apostles down to earth with a better understanding. It would be like when Jesus spoke of the need to be born again and said wonder not to Nicodemus. Wonderments can cause confusion or doubt. The result of not receiving the understanding of the parable.

And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples, Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.

It was like . . . where is this guy coming from. . Nazareth? ? And like at a Hockey game when something else breaks and sticks start flying. "Who is the Alpha Dog as the greatest would come out". After the third time each time them showing they had no idea what he was talking about. Then Jesus prophesied to them in verse 55. . ; you have no idea what manner of spirit you are of certainly not that of faith.

Hopefully it taught them a lesson that God alone can see into the heart of another .

Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him, And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.

He made himself least to show where he gets his help form

John did not receive the understanding of faith John forbid another from sharing the gospel .To teach them what makes up the us not a literal face or nation to literal face . He continued the parable like he was going toward Jerusalem. He sent other messengers to the gentiles. Because they walked by sight the out of sight out of mind Pagan foundation of there religion. They demanded that Jesus bring down fire and consume what it seems was a eye sore to the Jews who were learning how to hear God through the parables.


And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Luke 9: 43- 55
 

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The most common one is not fortune telling. That would seem to represent sign and wonder seekers referred to as faithless.
Foretelling, not "fortune telling"? Do you think they are the same thing? Do you even know what "foretelling" means?

I would think the most common use of prophecy, the living word of God is when we mix faith the unseen eternal with the temporal things seen. So that we can rest knowing he is working in us to both will and do His good pleasure . The law of faith as it is written is the most common use of prophecy . The let there be. . and there was
That is incorrect. If you say, "prophecy" to most Christians, they will think "foretelling".
 

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Mark 4:10-12 (KJV) And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

The converting power of parables, part of the good news ..gospel .
No! You have this exactly backwards! Those who understand are those who are already converted!

In Mark 9 and Luke 9 it seem the Holy Spirit ministry to bring sight to the blind and blind those who say they see continued to teach them how to hear one not seen, our father in heaven . Three times he spoke a parable hiding the unseen spiritual understanding for that very purpose ..I would say a humbling tool. That seems to be used coming from mountain experiences .Bringing the apostles down to earth with a better understanding. It would be like when Jesus spoke of the need to be born again and said wonder not to Nicodemus. Wonderments can cause confusion or doubt. The result of not receiving the understanding of the parable.
Garee, there are no parables in either Mark 9 or Luke 9. Both record, among other things, the transfiguration. That is not a parable. Honestly, man, it is well nigh impossible to discuss Scripture with you, because you are so completely stuck on incorrect terminology and utterly immune to correction.
 

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When does the bible say the millennium begins? Are we in the millennium?

Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 2:4 gives the generations(Hebrew toledoth) of the heavens and the earth. There are six mornings and evenings of time and then the seventh millennium in the series of the seven one thousand years https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+3:8&version=KJV . Six days thou shalt labor and do all thy work https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20:9-11&version=KJV and on the seventh rest...
 
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I'm also inclined to believe Millennium will start on first day of years 6,000 as GOD works to a precise timetable.
Most people believe there is a 7 year tribulation period between the end of the 6th day and the beginning of the 7th day. Although for us this is really the third day. "And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee" (John2:1) "on the third day he will be raised from the dead" (Matthew 17:23) "Go tell that fox that I will keep on casting out demons and healing people today and tomorrow; and the third day I will accomplish my purpose." (Luke 13:32) "On the third day of their journey, Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance." (Genesis 22:4) "And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai" (Exodus 19:11,15)
 
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No! You have this exactly backwards! Those who understand are those who are already converted!
If I have it backward then you have the things upside down

Remember if he began the good work of salvation in us he will finish it. .. he defines the us in Him not us. The apostles learned that lesson and kept on until they died. Will you?

The process of being converted learning how to hear God by faith through parables. Hiding the unseen understanding of the gospel from natural unconverted man .Again a on going work .. as he increases we decrease

Search for the words "and it (the gospel) was hid from them, that they perceived it (the gospel) not:" its a good place to start rather than just literalize it forget about the unseen understanding .which seems to be your goal

And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples, Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.

Garee, there are no parables in either Mark 9 or Luke 9. Both record, among other things, the transfiguration. That is not a parable. Honestly, man, it is well nigh impossible to discuss Scripture with you, because you are so completely stuck on incorrect terminology and utterly immune to correction.
LOL Utterly immune to correction given in parables by turning things up side down. It looks as though you need the right tool for rightly dividing the parables. Perhaps committing to memory 2 Corinthians 4:18 could aid.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

You are showing you do not know what parables are or what they are created to perform as that which does work in us to both will and do his good pleasure.And therefore give us His understanding hidden from natural man

The transfiguration as a parable is given in a series of parables. Again the goal is to teach us how to walk by faith.. rather than literalize the signified text .

The meaning of that parable in a series was hid also. Peter who hoped the kingdom came by looking at the temporal things of this earth who did try and literalize the parable. . . was keeping in line with the rebuke in verse 55.

Luke 9: 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

What manner of spirit refuses to look to the unseen understanding?[/QUOTE]
 

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The millennium starts after jesus has returned at the height of the wars of Armageddon. The millennium lasts 1,000 years. During that timemany Rapturees will marry and produce chidlren but will also still larbour evil thoughts even if they do not put them into action.
At the end of the 1,000 years Satan and gang of angels is to be released to spend a little season trying to make the humans sin but all who join him will suddenly be destroyed leaving only Satan to languish in a lake of fire.
Just read your Bibles for goodness sake.
The following states or at least strongly infers that the reign is ongoing, if Christ isn't reigning enemies cannot be taken down (nobody could convert among other things). Only when all the enemies are put under His feet shall He hand the kingdom (which He presently holds) to Father:

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
 

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If I have it backward then you have the things upside down
That's an emotional jab, not an intelligent comment.

Remember if he began the good work of salvation in us he will finish it. .. he defines the us in Him not us. The apostles learned that lesson and kept on until they died.
Yes, God begins the work of salvation and He brings it to completion.

Another emotional jab.

The process of being converted learning how to hear God by faith through parables. Hiding the unseen understanding of the gospel from natural unconverted man .Again a on going work .. as he increases we decrease
The problem is that you call almost everything in Scripture a "parable". That is simply incorrect, and once again, makes discussing this topic with you almost impossible.

Search for the words "and it (the gospel) was hid from them, that they perceived it (the gospel) not:"
As you have added words to this verse, searching for it as you have written it would be fruitless. The word "gospel" is not in Jesus' statement.

its a good place to start rather than just literalize it forget about the unseen understanding .which seems to be your goal
Stop making comments about what you think I believe (you're wrong anyway), and start dealing with the text itself.

You are showing you do not know what parables are or what they are created to perform
I know what parables are. I know how they are used in Scripture. I know their purpose, because I have accepted the literal words of Scripture that tells us their purpose.

as that which does work in us to both will and do his good pleasure.And therefore give us His understanding hidden from natural man
"Parables" don't work in us; the Spirit of God works in us using the word of God to reform our thinking. Actual parables are tools that Jesus (primarily) used to tell about the kingdom of God while simultaneously hiding the meaning from those without faith.

The meaning of that parable in a series was hid also. Peter who hoped the kingdom came by looking at the temporal things of this earth who did try and literalize the parable. . . was keeping in line with the rebuke in verse 55.

Luke 9: 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

What manner of spirit refuses to look to the unseen understanding?
As Luke 9 doesn't contain parables, your comments are irrelevant. Please go and learn what a parable is, and stop misusing the word.
 
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The following states or at least strongly infers that the reign is ongoing, if Christ isn't reigning enemies cannot be taken down (nobody could convert among other things). Only when all the enemies are put under His feet shall He hand the kingdom (which He presently holds) to Father:

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Jesus quite clearly said he had to go because the prince of the earth was coming. common usage means Satan.
 
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That's an emotional jab, not an intelligent comment.
What goes around comes around.You say backward.I say upside down . The upside down takes away the gospel meaning The faith (unseen) interpretation.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

The problem is that you call almost everything in Scripture a "parable". That is simply incorrect, and once again, makes discussing this topic with you almost impossible.
Did you mean when we are discussing parables?

As you have added words to this verse, searching for it as you have written it would be fruitless. The word "gospel" is not in Jesus' statement.
The good news is found throughout the Bible. The Bible itself is the good news. Without it we can know nothing as a law of God.

I know what parables are. I know how they are used in Scripture. I know their purpose, because I have accepted the literal words of Scripture that tells us their purpose.
So then are you saying you follow the prescription (2 Cor 4:18) in order to rightly divide the parables. . which without parable Christ spoke not? His whole life is a parable . It is how he has spoken in the last days. A perfect example of doing the will of another. Two working as one..

"Parables" don't work in us; the Spirit of God works in us using the word of God to reform our thinking. Actual parables are tools that Jesus (primarily) used to tell about the kingdom of God while simultaneously hiding the meaning from those without faith.
If they move a person to believe God not seen .If that is not a work he works .Then what?

Prophecy as parables work in us to give us his understanding giving us ears to hear what the unseen Spirit is saying to us and a desire to do it

As Luke 9 doesn't contain parables, your comments are irrelevant. Please go and learn what a parable is, and stop misusing the word.
Really not even one?

Parables in Luke 9 teach us how to hear the gospel the unseen understanding .He purposely hid the understanding .It worked confusion in the apostles . they in order to reestablish played the "who is the greatest".the Alpha dog This guy Jesus makes no sense.

That parable a declaration of God that the followers did not understand what he meant. The meaning was hidden from them so that they could not understand it . When they received the faith to believe it . The power of It caused them to humble and look to the father of Jesus, the source of Christian faith unseen .The law of faith as it is written.

Amazed. . . a state of wonderment shock or disbelief , stupefied, irrational, foolish. Not think

The people were still amazed about all the things Jesus did. He said to his followers, 44 “Don’t forget what I will tell you now: The Son of Man will soon be handed over to the control of other men.” 45 But the followers did not understand what he meant. The meaning was hidden from them so that they could not understand it. But they were afraid to ask Jesus about what he said. Luke 9:

Who Is the Greatest?

Because the understanding was hid. In a state of bewilderment not knowing where to turn. It became who is the alpha dog "crown him".

46 Jesus’ followers began to have an argument about which one of them was "the greatest". 47 Jesus knew what they were thinking, so he took a little child and stood the child beside him. 48 Then he said to the followers, “Whoever accepts a little child like this in my name is accepting me. And anyone who accepts me is also accepting the one who sent me. The one among you who is the most humble—this is the one who is great.”Luke 9

That the kind of work that works in parables works in us who can believe because he gives us the treasure of ears the understanding of the parable. .

2 Corinthians 4:7 We have this treasure from God, but we are only like clay jars that hold the treasure. This is to show that the amazing power we have is from God, not from us.

How many parables do you count in Luke 9?
 

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What goes around comes around.You say backward.I say upside down . The upside down takes away the gospel meaning The faith (unseen) interpretation.
I'm not making emotionally-motivated jabs. I told you that you have your interpretation backwards, and I explained how. All you did was make a personal attack with no explanation and no support from Scripture.

Did you mean when we are discussing parables?
No; discussing Scripture in general, outside of the parables.

The good news is found throughout the Bible. The Bible itself is the good news. Without it we can know nothing as a law of God.
Relevance?

So then are you saying you follow the prescription (2 Cor 4:18) in order to rightly divide the parables. . which without parable Christ spoke not? His whole life is a parable . It is how he has spoken in the last days. A perfect example of doing the will of another. Two working as one..
smh...

If they move a person to believe God not seen .If that is not a work he works .Then what?
Parables are used by God, as are all the forms of literature in His word.

Prophecy as parables work in us to give us his understanding giving us ears to hear what the unseen Spirit is saying to us and a desire to do it
smh again...

Really not even one?
Really, not even one.

Parables in Luke 9 teach us how to hear the gospel the unseen understanding .He purposely hid the understanding . ...
How many parables do you count in Luke 9?
None.
 
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I'm not making emotionally-motivated jabs. I told you that you have your interpretation backwards, and I explained how. All you did was make a personal attack with no explanation and no support from Scripture.

LOL and I told you you have it upside and used scripture to explain my opinions as from where I believe it comes from

You keep making prophecy without effect by denying the work of parable to help us lean how to walk by faith .

Still waiting for you to tell me how many parables are found in Luke 9. You say zero. Did you recount?

The first parable . .shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. The second five loaves and two fishes and the third the transfiguration and then e.t.c. Looks like 10 . Without parable in chapter 9 he spoke not.

No; discussing Scripture in general, outside of the parables.
Outside of the understanding of parables as prophecy or tongues as prophecy ?. When was that?
 

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I told you you have it upside and used scripture to explain my opinions as from where I believe it comes from
The verse you quoted has nothing to do with the discussion.

You keep making prophecy without effect by denying the work of parable to help us lean how to walk by faith .
I keep telling you that not everything in Scripture is a parable, and you refuse to accept that simple truth.

Still waiting for you to tell me how many parables are found in Luke 9. You say zero. Did you recount?
No need. I was right the first time.

The first parable . .shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. The second five loaves and two fishes and the third the transfiguration and then e.t.c. Looks like 10 . Without parable in chapter 9 he spoke not.
A parable is a figurative story that communicates truth by use of simple abstractions. It typically uses unnamed human characters.

You seem to think that almost everything in Scripture is a parable. While there is much figurative language in Scripture, most of it is not parables.

Outside of the understanding of parables as prophecy or tongues as prophecy ?. When was that?
Since you added irrelevant words to the statement, I'm not going to answer the question.
 
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No need. I was right the first time.
I understanding your reasoning ability or fingerprint has a different meaning for the word. Well them if no parables. Does the word parable appear? If so what kind of work does it do?
 

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I understanding your reasoning ability or fingerprint has a different meaning for the word. Well them if no parables. Does the word parable appear? If so what kind of work does it do?
No, the word, "parable" does not appear in either Mark 9 or Luke 9, therefore your question is moot.