When does the rapture occur?

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To me the AC is still a mystery. Could be muslim,could be others.I m leaning toward muslim,but obama showed us you can be muslim and other things at the same time.
I tend to agree with you. I know, surprise, surprise. :D. I can't find anything in the historic record that ties to the number of days (or years) that we are given for the end of the daily and the A of D post Jesus. I tested the Dome of the Rock and the Kaaba Stone/Mecca to no avail. There are a ton of similarities between what Muhammad did and what the King of the North is said to do in Dan 11:29-31 but too much doesn't fit.

I am totally convinced that the Man of Sin will be Muslim. I also feel that he deceives the entire Muslim race and mostly just them. I shouldn't actually call the Muslims a race since they are a mixed peoples from every tribe, nation, language and tongue. I am also convinced that God's Wrath is aimed mostly at them as we are told in Isa 13, Jer 25 and 51 and other places.
 
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To me the AC is still a mystery. Could be muslim,could be others.I m leaning toward muslim,but obama showed us you can be muslim and other things at the same time.
Jesus said many will come 'in my name'. Why send a muslim AC when you could just send someone pretending to be Jesus himself and get all of the elect to worship him as God with barely any resistance? Consider what you, personally, believe Jesus will do and say when he comes:

"Exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

or

"If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me."

How do you remove the daily sacrifices to God? What are the true daily sacrifices to God?

[Heb 13:15 NKJV] Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of [our] lips, giving thanks to His name.

You believe the true Jesus will claim to be God. Paul says the man of sin will do the same. What if the man of sin also claims to be the true Jesus? Have you ever considered how he will deceive, if possible, even the elect?
 
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Actually that isn't what it says at all. Please look at it again:

[SUP]11 [/SUP]“And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

To mean what you suggest, it would have to say this:


[SUP]11 [/SUP]“And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, until the end there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Then what about the 1,335 days?

Once again it puts both events happening similtaneously, not putting 1,290 days between the two.
It says from the time when the daily sacrifice and the A.O.D. is setup, meaning both of them done then there will be 1,290 days.

The man of sin is given 1,260 days to persecute and kill the Jews and Christians during the GT, then the final days is given to the return of the Lord and God's wrath being poured out. Blessed are those who come to the 1,335th day because they will be the ones who took part in the 1st resurrection in which the 2nd resurrection has no power over. They/We will reign with the Lord for the millennial !!!
 

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[video=youtube;dN-wohv38CI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN-wohv38CI[/video]​
LOL. Listened to the first 5 minutes and had to turn it off. Couldn't stop laughing. I know Adrian Rogers is a sweet minister and loves the Lord but this guy is absolutely clueless when it comes to end times prophesy and how to read and understand an ancient work written in apocalyptic literary style.

He reads this verse:

After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”

and says this, "Now that's the rapture of the church." Notice the text doesn't say, "Come up and bring the whole church for the next 2,000 years with you..." Amazing how far some will twist the Word to prove what isn't taught. Again, I know this guy is well intentioned and that he loves the Lord, he is just completely blind to prophesy.

Prophesy is a gift this man wasn't given. Sorry, I couldn't watch any more.
 

PlainWord

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Once again it puts both events happening similtaneously, not putting 1,290 days between the two.
It says from the time when the daily sacrifice and the A.O.D. is setup, meaning both of them done then there will be 1,290 days.

The man of sin is given 1,260 days to persecute and kill the Jews and Christians during the GT, then the final days is given to the return of the Lord and God's wrath being poured out. Blessed are those who come to the 1,335th day because they will be the ones who took part in the 1st resurrection in which the 2nd resurrection has no power over. They/We will reign with the Lord for the millennial !!!
Thanks for explaining your view on this. Appreciate it.
 
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It is all about Israel. The people who were persecuting the Children of Israel throughout the ages are the same people doing it today and into the future. Christendom is not a false religion although certain sects have doctrinal issues. Idol worship = worship of false god(s) = harlotry. If you are the Mother of such worship, you are the biggest. Islam is the biggest false religion, by far, on the planet. I'm sorry it still remains a mystery to you my friend.

Islam is so obviously Mystery Babylon that most can't recognize it for what it is. She beheads, she kills prophets and saints, she lives luxuriously with her oil. Her kings are filthy rich while her people are among the poorest. The 3rd seal is about this. The 4th seal discusses a people who make up 1/4 of the world. The color of this horse is green which is the official color of Islam. They kill by all the means mentioned. They think their actions will get them to heaven, but Hades follows them instead. They have taken peace from the earth. The world will never be at peace as long as Islam is around.
Pattern and parallel my dear fellow, the natural nation of Israel which stemmed from Joseph [Israel] remained the property of Almighty God as long as the Shekinah light remained in the Most Holy. This however disappeard in 607 B.C.E. when God cast off the nation and allowed it to be taken into captivity by Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon.

Now on its release as prophesied, by Cyrus the Persian who was named in prophecy 193 years before their release in 539 B.C.E., Although the Temple was rebuilt and later the city; the Shekinah light never returned to the Most Holy.

This was brought notably to their attention years later when Jeus pointed at the Temple and declared: "Look! Your house is abandoned to you!" (Matthew 23:38)

This of course angered the Pharisees and the Sadducees who had been keeping this a secret since 539 B.C.E.

The reason for this change was that the Shekinah light was a foreshadow of the greater Shekinah, Jesus Christ himself who declared: "I am the light of the world." (John 8:12)

As for Jerusalem, this also was a literal foreshadow of the heavenly Israel of God, confirmed in the words of the Apostle Paul who declared: ""...the Jerusalem today, is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our Mother." (Galatians 4:25, 26)

Paul also went on to explain the difference between the fleshly Jew and the Jew of the Israel of God: "For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by the spirit, and not by a written code." (Romans 2:28, 29)

Babylon the Great is not Islam, because Islam does no cavort with all the nations of the world as is described of Babylon: "Come, I will show you the judgement of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication." (Revelation 17:1, 2)

This fornication with the kings of the earth began almost two thousand years ago [long before Islam existed!] when Emperor Theodosius I in 380 C.E.declared that: "All those embracing the Trinity shall henceforth be known as Catholic." so was born the Catholic Church with its first Pope Damasus and not Peter as they try to claim. In the meantime, the original followers of 'The Way' rejected this and continued as the original members did under the Apostles. (Acts 19:9, 23)

Yes, because the true Christians and followers of 'The Way' refused to follow Christendom and its later many divisions; they we persecuted, beheaded, impaled and even shot by the bow; later some were even burnt at the stake!

Every church and movement today has originated from a man-made foundation as I have already stated with proof.

As for the Israel of God [heavenly Jerusalem]; she rose to meet the Lord in the air when as the Prince of the Sanctuary, Jesus in his capacity as Michael, gathered his forces and there was war in heaven and World War on the earth covering a period of thirty years [1914-1945] whereby Satan was cast down to the vicinity of the earth where he is now causing havoc during this last generation of this present world order. (Daniel 12:1; Revelation 12:7-12)

It is the cutting short of the great tribulation (Matthew 24:21, 22) which is brought about by the adverse conditions now building up in the earth such as the environment which is warming steadily, the active chemism from the sun which is causing a mutaion of all life on the eath including germs and viruses, and the seady rising of the oceans when once the South Pole has melted; they waters will have risen by 70 metres!

Alexander
 
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Jesus said many will come 'in my name'. Why send a muslim AC when you could just send someone pretending to be Jesus himself and get all of the elect to worship him as God with barely any resistance? Consider what you, personally, believe Jesus will do and say when he comes:

"Exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

or

"If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me."

How do you remove the daily sacrifices to God? What are the true daily sacrifices to God?

[Heb 13:15 NKJV] Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of [our] lips, giving thanks to His name.

You believe the true Jesus will claim to be God. Paul says the man of sin will do the same. What if the man of sin also claims to be the true Jesus? Have you ever considered how he will deceive, if possible, even the elect?
Satan operates in the realm of deception,so it is no surprise the AC will be a work of deceptive art.
We can all be decieved
Jesus can not.

Therefore,there is only one safe pace. Be like John with your ear to the savior's breast,and from that position,we will have a chance at truth.
 
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Satan operates in the realm of deception,so it is no surprise the AC will be a work of deceptive art.
We can all be decieved
Jesus can not.

Therefore,there is only one safe pace. Be like John with your ear to the savior's breast,and from that position,we will have a chance at truth.
Yes, but in my estimation, most Christians expect Jesus to do exactly what the man of sin will do, which is claim to be God. So whose breast will they have their ear in? Obviously if the man of sin comes and his name is 'Mohammed' or 'Nicolai', no Christian will be deceived. But if the man of sin comes and says, "I am Jesus, I died for you, I love you, I am your God worship me.", now some people are gonna have some real problems. Especially since the man of sin will come first.

Jesus said, "if I honor myself, my honor is nothing. It is my father who honors me..."
 
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It does work to identify the Lords 1st coming, but it also shows the Lord gets cut off at the end of the 69th week.

There is the first 7 weeks and then there is a period of 62 weeks as Daniel 9:25 shows, this together will make 69 weeks, and then Daniel 9:26 shows that the Lord will be cut off (crucified) at the end of this 69th week. Leaving a final 70th week to be fulfilled that Daniel 9:27 shows will be started when the man of sin confirms a covenant.......

The person who confirms this covenant is referring to the prince of the people that destroyed the temple, and it was the Roman empire in 70 AD that destroyed the temple. But the A.O.D. was not done in that year, so the prince is still yet to come !!!






It is not metaphorical as Revelation 11:1-13 shows these events are taking place on earth, and Revelation 21 once again is referring to after the millennial and Revelation 11 is before the millennial.........
Well done my dear fellow, you have got most of it correct, except that if you read the prophecy more carefully; it is at the end of the 69th week of years in 29 C.E. at the age of thirty that the Messiah appeared. Then half way through the seventieth week of years in 33 C.E. he was executed [cut-off] while the covenant which was made to Israel that it would have first refusal to the kingdom of God; continued until the end of that week of years in 36 C.E. when the first Gentile the centurion Cornelius was baptized.

You also seem to be a little mixed-up here with Revelation.

Revelation 20 as you know, shows the binding of Satan for a thousand years while the earthly resurrection of all mankind takes place and all are brought up to the status of human perfection under paradisaical conditions. then at the end of this period, Satan is let loose for a short period to once more try the same as he did in Eden. This time however, all mankind including Adam will not only be perfect; but will also have full knowledge.

Even then we are shown that as many as the sand of the sea will still follow Satan and there will along with Satan be destroyed for ever in Gehenna! Revelation 21:8

Yes, you are correct, Revelation 21 is actually dealing with the Jubilee Sabbath of Almighty God which was foreshadowed in the Jubilee Law given not only to the Jews but for all of us. We see here, the ruling heavenly Jerusalem [Israel of God] whose influence comes down out of heaven and the tent of God's protection is at last with mankind; while the figurative sea of agitating mankind is no more along with the literal sea [oceans] which have then returned to the lower heavens to once more form the life-giving canopy which existed above the expanse [firmament] before the Noachian Deluge [mabbul]. (Genesis 1:7)

Alexander
 
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Well done my dear fellow, you have got most of it correct, except that if you read the prophecy more carefully; it is at the end of the 69th week of years in 29 C.E. at the age of thirty that the Messiah appeared. Then half way through the seventieth week of years in 33 C.E. he was executed [cut-off] while the covenant which was made to Israel that it would have first refusal to the kingdom of God; continued until the end of that week of years in 36 C.E. when the first Gentile the centurion Cornelius was baptized.

You also seem to be a little mixed-up here with Revelation.

Revelation 20 as you know, shows the binding of Satan for a thousand years while the earthly resurrection of all mankind takes place and all are brought up to the status of human perfection under paradisaical conditions. then at the end of this period, Satan is let loose for a short period to once more try the same as he did in Eden. This time however, all mankind including Adam will not only be perfect; but will also have full knowledge.

Even then we are shown that as many as the sand of the sea will still follow Satan and there will along with Satan be destroyed for ever in Gehenna! Revelation 21:8

Yes, you are correct, Revelation 21 is actually dealing with the Jubilee Sabbath of Almighty God which was foreshadowed in the Jubilee Law given not only to the Jews but for all of us. We see here, the ruling heavenly Jerusalem [Israel of God] whose influence comes down out of heaven and the tent of God's protection is at last with mankind; while the figurative sea of agitating mankind is no more along with the literal sea [oceans] which have then returned to the lower heavens to once more form the life-giving canopy which existed above the expanse [firmament] before the Noachian Deluge [mabbul]. (Genesis 1:7)

Alexander

No the passage clearly says that Jesus is cut off at the end of the 69th week, not 3 1/2 years later, so that way of looking at it is flawed.

By the way you have it you have the end of the 69th week being the start of His earthly ministry, but that is not what it says, as it says He is cut off which is a reference to His crucifixion....
 
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Michael = Christ??

You are watchtower. Right?
No my dear fellow, I am a follower of The Way, the original and only Christian movement recorded the whole of the Bible. (Acts 19:9, 23)

We are individuals held together by the original teaching of the second chance of everlasting life on the earth for all mankind by way of the ransom sacrifice of the Christ during the Sabbath Millennium which is about to dawn very soon now. (Acts 24:15; Psalm 37:11, 29;)

And of course the heavenly Israel of God [little flock] (Luke 12:32) who rule with Christ for the thousand years. (Revelation 20:6) Just the same as the early followers of Jesus.

Before his death Charles Taze Russell, taught the same as us.

The Watchtower has ceased teaching the 'second chance for all mankind' since the death of Charles Taze Russell when it was taken over by J.F. Rutherford the 'apostate' who had actually been dismissed from the movement known then as the Millennial Dawnists. He later changed the teachings of the movement, turned it into an organization and plagiarized the name 'Jehovah's Witnesses' which actually only ever applied to the natural nation of Israel while they were under the directive of Jehovah.

As for the Christ also being called Michael, if you check the scriptures, you will notice that like Satan; he is known by a number of names applicable to his task at the time.

He was known as Faithful and True, the Word of God, King of kings and Lord of Lords. (Revelation 19:11, 13, 16) Then while on the earth he was known as Jesus, (Matthew 1:21) then each time he performed any action as the champion of God, he was known as Michael. (Daniel 10:13, 21; 12:1; Jude 9; Revelation 12:7)

Alexander
 
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Yes, but in my estimation, most Christians expect Jesus to do exactly what the man of sin will do, which is claim to be God. So whose breast will they have their ear in? Obviously if the man of sin comes and his name is 'Mohammed' or 'Nicolai', no Christian will be deceived. But if the man of sin comes and says, "I am Jesus, I died for you, I love you, I am your God worship me.", now some people are gonna have some real problems. Especially since the man of sin will come first.

Jesus said, "if I honor myself, my honor is nothing. It is my father who honors me..."
Many are already deceived,so satans work is not hard at all.

Look at the cults,and the seeker friendly churches with rock music for worship. I have been to them,looked around during worship,and most all are not even worshiping
 
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When the Prince of the Sanctuary stood up at the end of the Appointed Times of the Nations in 1914.

Sorry, you have all missed it!

Alexander
 
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As for the Christ also being called Michael, if you check the scriptures, you will notice that like Satan; he is known by a number of names applicable to his task at the time.

He was known as Faithful and True, the Word of God, King of kings and Lord of Lords. (Revelation 19:11, 13, 16) Then while on the earth he was known as Jesus, (Matthew 1:21) then each time he performed any action as the champion of God, he was known as Michael. (Daniel 10:13, 21; 12:1; Jude 9; Revelation 12:7)

Alexander
Read it again. You ARE MAKING IT SAY THAT.

YOU HAVE AN AGENDA. To minimise the King,Jesus.

Jesus is God.
Michael is a created being.
Jesus is creator.

Strange how this error is exposed in Jesus earthly ministry. Why did he operate as Jesus?


But do not deflect again. Address the Deity of Jesus.
 
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popeye

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Pattern and parallel my dear fellow, the natural nation of Israel which stemmed from Joseph [Israel] remained the property of Almighty God as long as the Shekinah light remained in the Most Holy. This however disappeard in 607 B.C.E. when God cast off the nation and allowed it to be taken into captivity by Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon.

Now on its release as prophesied, by Cyrus the Persian who was named in prophecy 193 years before their release in 539 B.C.E., Although the Temple was rebuilt and later the city; the Shekinah light never returned to the Most Holy.

This was brought notably to their attention years later when Jeus pointed at the Temple and declared: "Look! Your house is abandoned to you!" (Matthew 23:38)

This of course angered the Pharisees and the Sadducees who had been keeping this a secret since 539 B.C.E.

The reason for this change was that the Shekinah light was a foreshadow of the greater Shekinah, Jesus Christ himself who declared: "I am the light of the world." (John 8:12)

As for Jerusalem, this also was a literal foreshadow of the heavenly Israel of God, confirmed in the words of the Apostle Paul who declared: ""...the Jerusalem today, is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our Mother." (Galatians 4:25, 26)

Paul also went on to explain the difference between the fleshly Jew and the Jew of the Israel of God: "For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by the spirit, and not by a written code." (Romans 2:28, 29)

Babylon the Great is not Islam, because Islam does no cavort with all the nations of the world as is described of Babylon: "Come, I will show you the judgement of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication." (Revelation 17:1, 2)

This fornication with the kings of the earth began almost two thousand years ago [long before Islam existed!] when Emperor Theodosius I in 380 C.E.declared that: "All those embracing the Trinity shall henceforth be known as Catholic." so was born the Catholic Church with its first Pope Damasus and not Peter as they try to claim. In the meantime, the original followers of 'The Way' rejected this and continued as the original members did under the Apostles. (Acts 19:9, 23)

Yes, because the true Christians and followers of 'The Way' refused to follow Christendom and its later many divisions; they we persecuted, beheaded, impaled and even shot by the bow; later some were even burnt at the stake!

Every church and movement today has originated from a man-made foundation as I have already stated with proof.

As for the Israel of God [heavenly Jerusalem]; she rose to meet the Lord in the air when as the Prince of the Sanctuary, Jesus in his capacity as Michael, gathered his forces and there was war in heaven and World War on the earth covering a period of thirty years [1914-1945] whereby Satan was cast down to the vicinity of the earth where he is now causing havoc during this last generation of this present world order. (Daniel 12:1; Revelation 12:7-12)

It is the cutting short of the great tribulation (Matthew 24:21, 22) which is brought about by the adverse conditions now building up in the earth such as the environment which is warming steadily, the active chemism from the sun which is causing a mutaion of all life on the eath including germs and viruses, and the seady rising of the oceans when once the South Pole has melted; they waters will have risen by 70 metres!

Alexander
Yes, because the true Christians and followers of 'The Way' refused to follow Christendom and its later many divisions; they we persecuted, beheaded, impaled and even shot by the bow; later some were even burnt at the stake!
Like thomas,they worshipped Jesus.They understood he was/is God. Do you?
 
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Pattern and parallel my dear fellow, the natural nation of Israel which stemmed from Joseph [Israel] remained the property of Almighty God as long as the Shekinah light remained in the Most Holy. This however disappeard in 607 B.C.E. when God cast off the nation and allowed it to be taken into captivity by Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon.

Now on its release as prophesied, by Cyrus the Persian who was named in prophecy 193 years before their release in 539 B.C.E., Although the Temple was rebuilt and later the city; the Shekinah light never returned to the Most Holy.

This was brought notably to their attention years later when Jeus pointed at the Temple and declared: "Look! Your house is abandoned to you!" (Matthew 23:38)

This of course angered the Pharisees and the Sadducees who had been keeping this a secret since 539 B.C.E.

The reason for this change was that the Shekinah light was a foreshadow of the greater Shekinah, Jesus Christ himself who declared: "I am the light of the world." (John 8:12)
Are you referring to the ark of the covenant?

There is evidence it was never returned,but I believe it was there. Otherwise the tearing of the veil was meaningless.
 
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No my dear fellow, I am a follower of The Way, the original and only Christian movement recorded the whole of the Bible. (Acts 19:9, 23)

We are individuals held together by the original teaching of the second chance of everlasting life on the earth for all mankind by way of the ransom sacrifice of the Christ during the Sabbath Millennium which is about to dawn very soon now. (Acts 24:15; Psalm 37:11, 29;)

And of course the heavenly Israel of God [little flock] (Luke 12:32) who rule with Christ for the thousand years. (Revelation 20:6) Just the same as the early followers of Jesus.

Before his death Charles Taze Russell, taught the same as us.

The Watchtower has ceased teaching the 'second chance for all mankind' since the death of Charles Taze Russell when it was taken over by J.F. Rutherford the 'apostate' who had actually been dismissed from the movement known then as the Millennial Dawnists. He later changed the teachings of the movement, turned it into an organization and plagiarized the name 'Jehovah's Witnesses' which actually only ever applied to the natural nation of Israel while they were under the directive of Jehovah.

As for the Christ also being called Michael, if you check the scriptures, you will notice that like Satan; he is known by a number of names applicable to his task at the time.

He was known as Faithful and True, the Word of God, King of kings and Lord of Lords. (Revelation 19:11, 13, 16) Then while on the earth he was known as Jesus, (Matthew 1:21) then each time he performed any action as the champion of God, he was known as Michael. (Daniel 10:13, 21; 12:1; Jude 9; Revelation 12:7)

Alexander
From wiki;

The Way has a number of doctrines wherein they differ from mainstream Christianity:


  • Rejection of the Trinity: Unlike God, Jesus is not omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent.
  • Jesus did not exist before his birth except in the foreknowledge of God; at his birth, God created the sperm to fertilizeMary's ovum, and is the literal father of Jesus. Joseph and Mary married soon after she became pregnant with Jesus and had sexual relations after the birth of Jesus, so she was therefore not a "perpetual virgin" as many Christians believe.
  • In "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today", Holy Spirit is a reference to God, rather than a separate entity or person. This term is contrasted with the "holy spirit" (lower case), which is a reference to a divine gift from God.[SUP][23][/SUP] Wierwille claims that English translators of the Bible missed this distinction, and that Greek manuscripts were written in uncial script, which further confused the subject.
  • There are nine manifestations of the holy spirit and every born again Christian can inherently operate all nine. The list is derived from I Corinthians 12:7–10 (King James Version). Speaking in tongues, energizes the "effectual operation" of the other eight manifestations. Speaking in tongues has numerous benefits for a believer.
  • There were four people crucified with Jesus, (on a Wednesday) rejecting the standard interpretation which holds that there were two. Different Greek words were used for those crucified with Jesus in the different Gospel accounts, as well as discrepancies in timing, statements, and actions of the characters in the narrative. Two malefactors (kakourgoi) were initially led and crucified with Jesus in Luke 23:32, then two robbers (lestai) were later crucified after his accusation was fastened in Matthew 27:38. Accordingly, two others were crucified on both sides of Jesus for a total of four.
 
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No my dear fellow, I am a follower of The Way, the original and only Christian movement recorded the whole of the Bible. (Acts 19:9, 23)

We are individuals held together by the original teaching of the second chance of everlasting life on the earth for all mankind by way of the ransom sacrifice of the Christ during the Sabbath Millennium which is about to dawn very soon now. (Acts 24:15; Psalm 37:11, 29;)

And of course the heavenly Israel of God [little flock] (Luke 12:32) who rule with Christ for the thousand years. (Revelation 20:6) Just the same as the early followers of Jesus.

Before his death Charles Taze Russell, taught the same as us.

The Watchtower has ceased teaching the 'second chance for all mankind' since the death of Charles Taze Russell when it was taken over by J.F. Rutherford the 'apostate' who had actually been dismissed from the movement known then as the Millennial Dawnists. He later changed the teachings of the movement, turned it into an organization and plagiarized the name 'Jehovah's Witnesses' which actually only ever applied to the natural nation of Israel while they were under the directive of Jehovah.

As for the Christ also being called Michael, if you check the scriptures, you will notice that like Satan; he is known by a number of names applicable to his task at the time.

He was known as Faithful and True, the Word of God, King of kings and Lord of Lords. (Revelation 19:11, 13, 16) Then while on the earth he was known as Jesus, (Matthew 1:21) then each time he performed any action as the champion of God, he was known as Michael. (Daniel 10:13, 21; 12:1; Jude 9; Revelation 12:7)

Alexander
From wiki;

The Way has a number of doctrines wherein they differ from mainstream Christianity:


  • Rejection of the Trinity: Unlike God, Jesus is not omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent.
  • Jesus did not exist before his birth except in the foreknowledge of God; at his birth, God created the sperm to fertilizeMary's ovum, and is the literal father of Jesus. Joseph and Mary married soon after she became pregnant with Jesus and had sexual relations after the birth of Jesus, so she was therefore not a "perpetual virgin" as many Christians believe.
  • In "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today", Holy Spirit is a reference to God, rather than a separate entity or person. This term is contrasted with the "holy spirit" (lower case), which is a reference to a divine gift from God.[SUP][23][/SUP] Wierwille claims that English translators of the Bible missed this distinction, and that Greek manuscripts were written in uncial script, which further confused the subject.
  • There are nine manifestations of the holy spirit and every born again Christian can inherently operate all nine. The list is derived from I Corinthians 12:7–10 (King James Version). Speaking in tongues, energizes the "effectual operation" of the other eight manifestations. Speaking in tongues has numerous benefits for a believer.
  • There were four people crucified with Jesus, (on a Wednesday) rejecting the standard interpretation which holds that there were two. Different Greek words were used for those crucified with Jesus in the different Gospel accounts, as well as discrepancies in timing, statements, and actions of the characters in the narrative. Two malefactors (kakourgoi) were initially led and crucified with Jesus in Luke 23:32, then two robbers (lestai) were later crucified after his accusation was fastened in Matthew 27:38. Accordingly, two others were crucified on both sides of Jesus for a total of four.
This is exactly why I mentioned the false Jesus thing. Almost all Christians would and will gladly worship a Jesus who comes in power and claims to be God. Everyone is so smug in their knowledge that they won't be deceived, but Jesus says he will deceive, if possible, even the elect.
 
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This is exactly why I mentioned the false Jesus thing. Almost all Christians would and will gladly worship a Jesus who comes in power and claims to be God. Everyone is so smug in their knowledge that they won't be deceived, but Jesus says he will deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Are you trying to say that Jesus is the one who is doing the deceiving ???

If that is what you are saying then you are completely wrong and have been badly miss taught passages from the bible.
For it was Jesus who said the man of sin will come and deceive others, and was not referring to Himself. The times and laws that is being spoke of being changed is not referring to the change from the OT covenants to the NT covenant.

That passage only refers to the end time Tribulation period, and is not to be applied before hand.
The changing or adding of things to the word now days is called Apostasy teaching, and denying the deity of Christ is a very bad thing to do. For the Word of God clearly says if you deny the Son then you have denied the Father !!!