When does the rapture occur?

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PlainWord

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According to the below article (link) 24,000 have been killed or wounded by ISIS. Christians have been beheaded, young male children recruited as solders and women and girls sold into sex slavery.

UN Report on ISIS: 24,000 Killed, Injured by Islamic State; Children Used as Soldiers, Women Sold as Sex Slaves

ISIS is telling Christians to "convert or die." Sound familiar? Well it should. Also, John tells us that the Beheaded during the Tribulation will return with Christ (Rev 20:4-6). Being taken captive and sold into (sexual) and other slavery is also foretold in many places such as Joel 3 and Zech 14:2. Saudi Arabia leads the world in sexual slavery. ISIS apparently is doing the same.

For those who hold to the Pre-Trib mentality, why are the thousands of Christians in Northern Iraq and Syria not being raptured? Why are they allowed to be beheaded, raped and ravaged? At what point is the Rapture supposed to occur? Only when this treatment comes to America?
 
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The resurrection will not happen before the tribulation.

The Bible says that the resurrection will not occur until there is a falling away first,which means they will not want to hear the Bible according to the truth but according to their own lusts,an interpretation that exalts people,and the man of sin steps in to Jews temple and claims to be God.

That is because as long as the world can repent of their sins the saints will remain on earth and God will take all the saints at one time.

When the world takes the mark of the beast pledging allegiance to the beast,the man of sin,they do not have an opportunity to repent of their sins anymore and God will take His children.

The man of sin,the little horn,will reign for the last three and one half years of the tribulation,which the Bible says that the saints will be given in to his hand for three and one half years.

It appears as if the resurrection will not happen until the 7 years tribulation period is over,but some saints will depart from this earth during the last three and one half years the man of sin rules by being beheaded.The ones that will resurrect will have escaped from being beheaded but many shall go that way.

The Bible says the beast makes war against the saints,so the saints have to be on earth.

The beast blasphemes against God and His tabernacle by telling the world that there is no God of the Bible and there is no personal God that can help them,so the saints have to be on earth,for if the saints are not on earth,there is no reason for the beast to go against the God of the Bible to convince the world that there is no personal God.

Only by the saints being on earth is the truth on earth and the beast casts the truth to the ground and stamps upon it.

If the beast goes against the truth he can only do that if the saints,the truth,is on earth.
 
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For those who hold to the Pre-Trib mentality, why are the thousands of Christians in Northern Iraq and Syria not being raptured? Why are they allowed to be beheaded, raped and ravaged? At what point is the Rapture supposed to occur? Only when this treatment comes to America?

I will answer this question for you since it really doesn't matter what a pre-trib will say to you and I will not waste another ounce of energy replying to you. If the pre-trib is correct and it is according to Jesus, then you are basically calling Him a liar:

Once the Antichrist is about ready to step upon the world stage, the Church will be raptured. The first and foremost sign of the Antichrist will be when he initiates and sign a 7 year peace deal between Israel & the Palestinians.
 
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This thread still going? Look the rapture will come when it comes, it will happen when it happen, why are people are trying to work out the days and times and when things are going to happen, when it clearly says, Jesus is coming back, like a thief in the night, no on will know, not even the angels, So come on people, if the angels don't know, why you all trying to work out when?

Just accept it will happen when it happens. its not rocket science, there is nothing to work out, from what it says in the bible.
 
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Richie_2uk said:
This thread still going? Look the rapture will come when it comes, it will happen when it happen, why are people are trying to work out the days and times and when things are going to happen, when it clearly says, Jesus is coming back, like a thief in the night, no on will know, not even the angels, So come on people, if the angels don't know, why you all trying to work out when?

Just accept it will happen when it happens. its not rocket science, there is nothing to work out, from what it says in the bible.
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While we may not know the hour or day, we do know when the time is near because Jesus gave us a 'timeline' which He gave us in Revelation. That was the sole purpose of Revelation. He didn't want to leave His children (believers) in the dark about His return. It is sad that those refuse to take the time to read, analyze and put the pieces together. Instead, they would rather watch YouTube or cut & paste certain piece of the Bible to fit their needs.

This is my first post on this thread in quite awhile because it is really get to be a nuisance.
 
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I will answer this question for you since it really doesn't matter what a pre-trib will say to you and I will not waste another ounce of energy replying to you. If the pre-trib is correct and it is according to Jesus, then you are basically calling Him a liar:
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Since Jesus never told of a pre-trib rapture then I certainly am not calling him a liar. Let me ask you this. If Jesus told us that He comes AFTER the Tribulation and He never gives any lesson other than this what does that make you??

Once the Antichrist is about ready to step upon the world stage, the Church will be raptured. The first and foremost sign of the Antichrist will be when he initiates and sign a 7 year peace deal between Israel & the Palestinians.
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Okay, lets wait for this. It won't be too much longer now. Once this happens will you come back on here and admit you were wrong? I'm guessing you won't. I'm guessing you will think it was not the right treaty and you will base that on the fact you are still here.
 
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Once the Antichrist is about ready to step upon the world stage, the Church will be raptured. The first and foremost sign of the Antichrist will be when he initiates and sign a 7 year peace deal between Israel & the Palestinians.
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So Biscuit. What you are saying then is that the AntiChrist reign is the Tribulation and that the Wrath of God is the Tribulation. So, the AntiChrist was sent by God? Is that your view? Does God send false gods claiming to be Him? Or is this something more in line with Satan's behavior?

Where does the Wrath of Satan fit in? Where does Satan's wrath stop and God's wrath begin? We know Satan is cast to earth having great wrath and that Satan knows he only has a short time. So again, when does Satan's wrath end and God's wrath begin?
 
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Richie_2uk said:
This thread still going? Look the rapture will come when it comes, it will happen when it happen, why are people are trying to work out the days and times and when things are going to happen, when it clearly says, Jesus is coming back, like a thief in the night, no on will know, not even the angels, So come on people, if the angels don't know, why you all trying to work out when?

Just accept it will happen when it happens. its not rocket science, there is nothing to work out, from what it says in the bible.
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People who don't believe they are going to have to face the tribulation will not prepare for it. They will be like the seed sown among the rocks, and will turn away from Him in the end when the heat is on. This is actually very important.
 
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PlainWord said:
If Jesus told us that He comes AFTER the Tribulation...
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And yet --- Jesus does tell us...


Matthew 24:

[SUP]29[/SUP] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [SUP]30[/SUP] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31[/SUP] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus returns... - after the tribulation of those days.

Rapture... - after Jesus returns.

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GaryA said:
And yet --- Jesus does tell us...


Matthew 24:

[SUP]29[/SUP] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [SUP]30[/SUP] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31[/SUP] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus returns... - after the tribulation of those days.

Rapture... - after Jesus returns.

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why would we need a rapture after Jesus returns, it's like tetes on a bull hog it makes no sense.
 
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Mattithyah 24:21-22, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."

Mattithyah 24:29-31, "Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other."

1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now I say this brothers: that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible will have put on incorruption, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory."

The pre-trib doctrine was never preached before around 1830, and is in place to get people to accept the anti-Messiah, they will be told "meeting Christ in the air is not literal, it's is a higher state of consciousness." The UN has been publishing magazines about thier comin "cosmic christ" for 40 years or something, called "Matreyu." (sp) You need to look into "PROJECT BLUE BEAM," they plan on using hologram technology to fake the second coming, and this is no cracker-jack attempt, it real and it's real serious. Many will fall for it if it happens.

Mattithyah 24:24-25, "For there will arise false messiahs and false prophets who will show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect. Behold, I have warned you beforehand!"

Here are some links

CNN Hologram TV First - YouTube

CNN Will I Am Hologram, First time on TV - YouTube

223 - The New Age Agenda - Amazing Discoveries TV

7325 - The Coming Cosmic Christ / Secrets of the Ages - John Triplett - YouTube

Project Blue Beam By Serge Monast (1994)

After the Tribulation (Full Movie) - Alex Jones - YouTube
 
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Mattithyah 24:21-22, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
 
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Find anywhere in the bible that God makes waste of the people that trust in Him.
 
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"few men left"

Most everyone righteous or evil will be dead by then.
 
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Then why a rapture, we live through the trib and the King is on the throne and peace and goodwill toward men, why a rapture. It's like buying a triple cheeseburger and large fry with a fried apple pie and diet coke, it makes no sense.
 
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Kerry said:
Then why a rapture, we live through the trib and the King is on the throne and peace and goodwill toward men, why a rapture. It's like buying a triple cheeseburger and large fry with a fried apple pie and diet coke, it makes no sense.
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Mankind has to see without a doubt that rejecting the Instructions of Yahweh will lead to extinction.
 
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Mattithyah 24:29-31, "Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other."
 
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Leaders of the UN will not be able to say if we only had 500 more years we could have done it without you.

No.

No being will have a valid excuse before the throne of ALMIGHTY YAHWEH.

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
 
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Kerry said:
why would we need a rapture after Jesus returns, it's like tetes on a bull hog it makes no sense.
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Because God's Wrath follows and we need to be with Jesus at this time...
 
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