WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?
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Where does Paul say the believers will be going through the tribulation? Paul is simply saying, don’t be troubled. Don’t you remember what I told you? He’s speaking from the gathering together unto him, not the second coming of Jesus.
You see, at the time that Paul writes this letter to the Thessalonians, Christians are being killed and persecuted because they would not bow and worship the Roman Caesar who had declared himself to be a deity. It was natural for them to believe they were in the tribulation because their times certain had some of the characteristics of Daniel's 70th week. However, Paul writes to set them straight on the future truth.
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
You see, at the time that Paul writes this letter to the Thessalonians, Christians are being killed and persecuted because they would not bow and worship the Roman Caesar who had declared himself to be a deity. It was natural for them to believe they were in the tribulation because their times certain had some of the characteristics of Daniel's 70th week. However, Paul writes to set them straight on the future truth.
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Where does it say we are not
Let no man deceive
that day shall not come EXCEPT the man of sin, the son of perdition revealed whom the Lord shall consume and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
When Jesus returns, Satan along with all his deceptions, are revealed through the light, His brightness. One second the world is worshipping Satan as he is sitting in the temple, the world in complete darkness (deception) as to the truth of what has been going on.
This is the 2nd advent of Christ, "a second time". At no time before that does Jesus come.
When they gave Jesus the book of Isaiah, HE FOUND THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS WRITTEN
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound
Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
AND HE STOPPED READING AND SAT DOWN, BUT WHAT DIDN'T HE READ
and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luke 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luke 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
DID YOU NOTICE THE DAY THAT FOLLOWS THAT DAY? THE DAY OF VENGEANCE, NO RAPTURE. EVER, IN ANY DOCTRINE OF CHRIST.
Do you notice what is missing from ALL of the words of Jesus? ANY REFERENCE TO A "GATHERING BEFORE THEN.
And what does Jesus do to those who have made it to the last day of Satans deception of the world without taking the mark?
to comfort all that mourn
Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Let no man deceive
that day shall not come EXCEPT the man of sin, the son of perdition revealed whom the Lord shall consume and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
When Jesus returns, Satan along with all his deceptions, are revealed through the light, His brightness. One second the world is worshipping Satan as he is sitting in the temple, the world in complete darkness (deception) as to the truth of what has been going on.
This is the 2nd advent of Christ, "a second time". At no time before that does Jesus come.
When they gave Jesus the book of Isaiah, HE FOUND THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS WRITTEN
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound
Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
AND HE STOPPED READING AND SAT DOWN, BUT WHAT DIDN'T HE READ
and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luke 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luke 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
DID YOU NOTICE THE DAY THAT FOLLOWS THAT DAY? THE DAY OF VENGEANCE, NO RAPTURE. EVER, IN ANY DOCTRINE OF CHRIST.
Do you notice what is missing from ALL of the words of Jesus? ANY REFERENCE TO A "GATHERING BEFORE THEN.
And what does Jesus do to those who have made it to the last day of Satans deception of the world without taking the mark?
to comfort all that mourn
Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
BECAUSE NO WHERE DOES IT SAY IT IS BEFORE SATAN IS REVEALED.
THAT IS INSERTED BY MANS DOCTRINE, NOT GODS.
1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
WHERE DOES IT SAY "PRE DAY OF VENGEANCE"???????????????
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
WHERE DOES IT SAY "PRE DAY OF VENGEANCE"??????????????
THAT IS INSERTED BY MANS DOCTRINE, NOT GODS.
1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
WHERE DOES IT SAY "PRE DAY OF VENGEANCE"???????????????
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
WHERE DOES IT SAY "PRE DAY OF VENGEANCE"??????????????
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Your quoting Jewish passages. You need to learn to rightly divide the Church from the nation of Israel. The Church was in mystery form until the resurrection.
The Church will be taken away before the tribulation, and the remnant of Israel will be taken away from the four corners of the earth before the wrath of God is poured out upon the earth immediately following the tribulation.
The Church will be taken away before the tribulation, and the remnant of Israel will be taken away from the four corners of the earth before the wrath of God is poured out upon the earth immediately following the tribulation.
* You are here
THE TIME IS SHORTENED TO ONE HOUR OR ELSE EVEN GODS ELECT WOULD BE DECEIVED
* The antichrist establishes his covenant with Israel for seven years
YES THEY ARE
* Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth in the middle of the seven years
IMO THEY ARE NOT STOPPED, THEY ARE JUST NO LONGER GOING TO GOD, THEY ARE GOING TO THE ONE DECEIVING THEM
* The sacrifices and offerings are stopped and the abomination is set up in the middle of the seven years
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (doesn't seem like Satan would want that, but ok, I will go with that)
THE DEAD RESURRECT, WE ARE CHANGED, AND SATAN IS BOUND FOR THE 1000YRS SHEEP AND GOATS=NO MARK AND MARK
* Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom and rule from the throne of king David
* Satan is seized and thrown into the Abyss which is sealed over him and locked up for a thousand years
* The beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire
THE SEALING IN THE FOREHEADS TAKES PLACE WAY BEFORE, IT IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE EVENTS OF THE END TIMES
* God's wrath in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments continue throughout the entire seven years
* Millennial kingdom
* Great white throne judgment
* Eternity
THE TIME IS SHORTENED TO ONE HOUR OR ELSE EVEN GODS ELECT WOULD BE DECEIVED
* The antichrist establishes his covenant with Israel for seven years
YES THEY ARE
* Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth in the middle of the seven years
IMO THEY ARE NOT STOPPED, THEY ARE JUST NO LONGER GOING TO GOD, THEY ARE GOING TO THE ONE DECEIVING THEM
* The sacrifices and offerings are stopped and the abomination is set up in the middle of the seven years
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (doesn't seem like Satan would want that, but ok, I will go with that)
THE DEAD RESURRECT, WE ARE CHANGED, AND SATAN IS BOUND FOR THE 1000YRS SHEEP AND GOATS=NO MARK AND MARK
* Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom and rule from the throne of king David
* Satan is seized and thrown into the Abyss which is sealed over him and locked up for a thousand years
* The beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire
THE SEALING IN THE FOREHEADS TAKES PLACE WAY BEFORE, IT IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE EVENTS OF THE END TIMES
* God's wrath in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments continue throughout the entire seven years
* Millennial kingdom
* Great white throne judgment
* Eternity
You can keep saying it, but that will never make it Gods Truth. That is why you can find no scripture to back it up. If you could you no doubt would be quoting it. But every time you go to look for something, anything, that says what you want, you find it seriously lacking. Do you know why? IT IS NOT GODS TRUTH. It can't be. It goes AGAINST what is written.
You will either a companion IN TRIBULATION, or not. If you are not, you will feel Gods Wrath.
You will either a companion IN TRIBULATION, or not. If you are not, you will feel Gods Wrath.
The bride of Christ, the Church, is pictured here in heaven before the second coming of Christ.
Revelation
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
We return with our bridegroom.
Revelation 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
And again...
Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Revelation
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
We return with our bridegroom.
Revelation 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
And again...
Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Matthew 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
I wonder why Enoch prophesied of this? Oh yeah, Enoch was caught up also before the flood. Noah being saved through the flood pictures the believing remnant of Israel.
Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
So what has happened before the marriage of the Lamb is come?
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.