When the Supreme Court Approved Gay Marriage, What ALL Happened to the USA?

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VCO

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The founding father's aren't great men of moral character to me though. They stated all men are created equally, yet hypocritically had slaves (some even impregnated their slaves).

Whether they agreed or disagree with me wouldn't change the validity that in latter times, there is a clear distinction between the government's laws and God's laws. It also wouldn't change the fact we currently live in a society where we have the liberty to do what we want provided no one else's liberty is taken away in the process. Also, the founding father's meant "God" in a generic sense that could be blanketed to Satan if someone chose to worship him as their God. This is further evidence to suggest that God and our government mix like oil and water.
So who pumped all that garbage into your head, about out Founding Fathers meaning "God" in a generic sense?

[SIZE=+1]John Adams[/SIZE]

SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; JUDGE; DIPLOMAT; ONE OF TWO SIGNERS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS; SECOND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATESThe general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.


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SIXTH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES; DIPLOMAT; SECRETARY OF STATE; U. S. SENATOR; U. S. REPRESENTATIVE; “OLD MAN ELOQUENT”; “HELL-HOUND OF ABOLITION

”My hopes of a future life are all founded upon the Gospel of Christ and I cannot cavil or quibble away [evade or object to]. . . . the whole tenor of His conduct by which He sometimes positively asserted and at others countenances [permits] His disciples in asserting that He was God.

The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the Divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made “bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God” [Isaiah 52:10].

In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.



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MILITARY OFFICER; MEMBER OF THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS; SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; FEDERAL JUDGE

To the triune God – the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost – be ascribed all honor and dominion, forevermore – Amen.




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PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS; SIGNED THE PEACE TREATY TO END THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION; FIRST ATTORNEY ADMITTED TO THE U. S. SUPREME COURT BAR; FRAMER OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS; DIRECTOR OF THE U. S. MINT

Let us enter on this important business under the idea that we are Christians on whom the eyes of the world are now turned… [L]et us earnestly call and beseech Him, for Christ’s sake, to preside in our councils. . . . We can only depend on the all powerful influence of the Spirit of God, Whose Divine aid and assistance it becomes us as a Christian people most devoutly to implore. Therefore I move that some minister of the Gospel be requested to attend this Congress every morning . . . in order to open the meeting with prayer.



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On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits, not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.

Grateful to Almighty God for the blessings which, through Jesus Christ Our Lord, He had conferred on my beloved country in her emancipation and on myself in permitting me, under circumstances of mercy, to live to the age of 89 years, and to survive the fiftieth year of independence, adopted by Congress on the 4th of July 1776, which I originally subscribed on the 2d day of August of the same year and of which I am now the last surviving signer.

I, Charles Carroll. . . . give and bequeath my soul to God who gave it, my body to the earth, hoping that through and by the merits, sufferings, and mediation of my only Savior and Jesus Christ, I may be admitted into the Kingdom prepared by God for those who love, fear and truly serve Him.



ETC., ETC.
 
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VCO

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The founding father's aren't great men of moral character to me though. They stated all men are created equally, yet hypocritically had slaves (some even impregnated their slaves).

Whether they agreed or disagree with me wouldn't change the validity that in latter times, there is a clear distinction between the government's laws and God's laws. It also wouldn't change the fact we currently live in a society where we have the liberty to do what we want provided no one else's liberty is taken away in the process. Also, the founding father's meant "God" in a generic sense that could be blanketed to Satan if someone chose to worship him as their God. This is further evidence to suggest that God and our government mix like oil and water.


George Washington in prayer at Federal Hall in New York City


Painting of George Washington praying alone at Valley Forge, said to be based on an actual moment in history.




Valley Forge, Pennsylvania: Founding Fathers in Prayer



A stained glass replica of a painting of the first Continental Congress in 1774 depicts
the entire congress in fervent prayer.






[video]http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/d-day/videos/franklin-d-roosevelt-delivers-d-day-prayer[/video]

Sub-Zero, I thank GOD you are not in charge of making up the RULES.





 
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So who pumped all that garbage into your head, about out Founding Fathers meaning "God" in a generic sense?
Well, it's a fact that many of them were self-proclaimed deists. That doesn't mean there weren't any Christian founding fathers.
 
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What was your purpose in posting random pictures of men praying? That there were Christians leaders? No one disputed that...
 

VCO

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What was your purpose in posting random pictures of men praying? That there were Christians leaders? No one disputed that...

Figure it out for yourself. All born again Christians will understand why.

Did you even listen to Prayer by President Roosevelt, that was aired as our Troops were landing and dying on Omaha Beach.
 
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Yes they are absolutely entitled to state sanctioned ''marriage'',and if God's authority is absent from a marriage licence (which it is) and replaced by the state(which it is) then that is Idolatry (THE STATE BECOMES THEIR GOD) Christians need to understand that the marriages they are entering into today are a sham in the eyes of God,who gives a stuff if homosexuals win the right to these business contracts.What homosexuals can never have is a God sanctioned marriage because God said a marriage is between a man and a woman and the state can do diddly about that.For goodness sake there are websites that will explain this very well and one that comes to mind is CREATION LIBERTY.

I would also like to add that just because homosexuals are entitled to enter into these business contracts the state calls ''marriage'' does not mean that I approve it.My view is that this will just be another step down for humanity.
 
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You who are making this out to be just another political flap, an issue of sin common to man, should be getting scared, very scared, of what the Lord may find very indignant, if the likes of Sodom and Gomorrah are any measure. This is not small potatoes, rather open rebellion, institutional rebellion, against the Lord, in favor of a lifestyle that's an abomination in scripture.
You and some others who have posted on this thread should move to Russia where homophobia and persecution of homosexuals is welcomed.

Somehow I think the Lord is grieved more by this sort of behavior than two women saying "I do."
 
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You and some others who have posted on this thread should move to Russia where homophobia and persecution of homosexuals is welcomed.

Somehow I think the Lord is grieved more by this sort of behavior than two women saying "I do."
What does the bible say...that's what God thinks...your thoughts are not Gods thoughts, Jack

Ro 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful,
and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
 
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What does the bible say...that's what God thinks...your thoughts are not Gods thoughts, Jack

Ro 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful,
and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Are you and the YECs posting on this thread as sure that those verses mean what you think they mean as you are that the bible tells us the world is 6,000 years old, there was a global flood around 4,400 years ago, and dinosaurs coexisted with humans?
 
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Are you and the YECs posting on this thread as sure that those verses mean what you think they mean as you are that the bible tells us the world is 6,000 years old, there was a global flood around 4,400 years ago, and dinosaurs coexisted with humans?
Yep ...they are the clear and evident Words of God, for those who believe in God.
 
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Are you and the YECs posting on this thread as sure that those verses mean what you think they mean as you are that the bible tells us the world is 6,000 years old, there was a global flood around 4,400 years ago, and dinosaurs coexisted with humans?
I see that you are 31 years my senior. I would assume that you might be a WW2 veteran, the "greatest generation" that ever lived in the United States according to the news media in this country. So the "greatest generation" conceived and raised the children of my generation that came to be known as the "hippie generation", and they hated us Viet Nam vets with a passion. Now that philosophy of liberalism (deriving from the "hippies") bases its philosophy on "Communism" and is in our current administration. That philosophy is destructive, but that's what the "hippies" always wanted, having rhetoric that says that the United States system was corrupt and needed to be replaced. Then if they were asked what they had in mind to take the place of the system they were bent on destroying, they had no answer, and the song by Ray Stevens, "Everything is Beautiful," became popular. It's sacrilege, and blasphemy against our Almighty God, because the world will NEVER find the right way! Your generation is certainly not the "greatest," especially when your rhetoric complements our current demise in this country. It is also true that you believe the Bible only according to your own agenda.

Jesus loves the little children,
All the little children of the world.
Red and yellow, black and white,
They are precious in his sight.
Jesus loves the little children of the world.

Everything is beautiful in it's own way.
Like the starry summer night, or a snow-covered winter's day.
And everybody's beautiful in their own way.
Under God's heaven, the world's gonna find the way.

There is none so blind as he who will not see.
We must not close our minds; we must let our thoughts be free.
For every hour that passes by, we know the world gets a little bit older.
It's time to realize that beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

And everything is beautiful in it's own way.
Like the starry summer night, or a snow-covered winter's day.
Oh, sing it children!
Everybody's beautiful in their own way.
Under God's heaven, the world's gonna find the way.

We shouldn't care about the length of his hair, or the color of his skin.
Don't worry about what shows from without, but the love that lives within.
And we're gonna get it all together now; everything gonna work out fine.
Just take a little time to look on the good side my friend,
And straighten it out in your mind.

And everything is beautiful in it's own way.
Like the starry summer night, or a snow-covered winter's day.
Ah, sing it children!
Everybody's beautiful in their own way,
Under God's heaven the world's gonna find a way.
 
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the "hippie generation", and they hated us Viet Nam vets with a passion. Now that philosophy of liberalism (deriving from the "hippies") bases its philosophy on "Communism" and is in our current administration. That philosophy is destructive, but that's what the "hippies" always wanted, having rhetoric that says that the United States system was corrupt and needed to be replaced.
Makes sense to me.

But only if I was smoking some of that stuff the soldiers smoked in Vietnam.

Do you believe that the Bible condemns homosexuality?

Were you aware of any homosexuality going on while you were in the military?
 
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As we talked about in the other thread we know you dont evangelize, but i do.
And that's the second-fastest route to my ignore list I've ever seen anyone take. Have someone let me know if you ever repent of your arrogance.
 
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What does the bible say...that's what God thinks...your thoughts are not Gods thoughts, Jack

Ro 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful,
and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
I personally do not believe that you or any other YEC who has cited the typical clobber passages in this thread could actually make a credible witness in defending them.

AgeofKnowledge probably could, but he's not a YEC.

A sharp LGBT Scripture lawyer would rip you YECs apart on the subject of "Does the Bible Condemn Homosexuality."
 
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Makes sense to me.

But only if I was smoking some of that stuff the soldiers smoked in Vietnam.

Do you believe that the Bible condemns homosexuality?

Were you aware of any homosexuality going on while you were in the military?
I did drugs before I was saved by Christ Jesus. I pursued His salvation.

The answer to your 1st question; Yes, because marriage between a man and woman is a parallel to Christ and the church. It is a witness. Anything else is an abomination!

The answer to your 2nd question; Yes, and it was totally disgusting.

So my question to you; Do you love homos enough to tell them if they don't repent that they have hell to pay?

Leviticus 19:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

To make a law against God's law will always invites the wrath of God upon a nation. Get real! Get truth! Get blessed!
 
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Figure it out for yourself. All born again Christians will understand why.

Did you even listen to Prayer by President Roosevelt, that was aired as our Troops were landing and dying on Omaha Beach.
I can't figure out what your point is though. What do Christian leaders have to do with the constitution and the Christian God? The words "Jesus Christ", "Christianity", "bible", "creator", "divine", and "God" are never mentioned in the bible! Do you think this was an accident/oversight on their part?
 
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I did drugs before I was saved by Christ Jesus. I pursued His salvation.

The answer to your 1st question; Yes, because marriage between a man and woman is a parallel to Christ and the church. It is a witness. Anything else is an abomination!

The answer to your 2nd question; Yes, and it was totally disgusting.

So my question to you; Do you love homos enough to tell them if they don't repent that they have hell to pay?

Leviticus 19:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

To make a law against God's law will always invites the wrath of God upon a nation. Get real! Get truth! Get blessed!
Good, you are an expert on Leviticus.

Where in Leviticus does it say that lesbianism is a sin?
 
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I personally do not believe that you or any other YEC who has cited the typical clobber passages in this thread could actually make a credible witness in defending them.

AgeofKnowledge probably could, but he's not a YEC.

A sharp LGBT Scripture lawyer would rip you YECs apart on the subject of "Does the Bible Condemn Homosexuality."
Its called faith in Gods Word...I have my faith and you have yours :)
 
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Good, you are an expert on Leviticus.

Where in Leviticus does it say that lesbianism is a sin?
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Leviticus 18:22-23

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:23

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:" Romans 1:26

I suppose that if the Bible clarifies homosexuality between men more specifically that it describes a woman, then lesbianism in your opinion is okay? Both are an abomination, and the reason for the distinction in the Bible is because women need something that resembles male anatomy, and men do not need anything like that.

You ought to be old enough to know better. I think that you might be included in this verse that Paul wrote. "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Romans 1:32

There’s an implication that lesbianism is even worse than male homosexuality. Notice the phrase “even their women” in Romans 1:26

The text seems to suggest that it is more common for men to engage in sexual depravity, and when women begin to do it, that is a sign things are getting really bad. Men usually have much stronger sex drives than women, and so are more prone to sexual deviancy. When women commit unnatural sexual acts, then the degree of immorality has truly become shameful. Lesbianism is evidence of people being given over to “the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another” (Romans 1:24).


 
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