when the time of the gentiles is complete

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Please tell me how (in detail) your explanation fulfills the scripture? I do not find any support short of complete speculation. I you could please point out supporting correlations between the theory you present and scripture. You do realize that Luke was speaking about the return of the Lord? Are you claiming that the Lord has returned and that the promise to Jerusalem has been fulfilled? I find your claims about the lives of the Jewish community questionable and confusing, but this is not a post about the lives of the Jewish people.
I agree, I am speculating based on history and studying Acts, and how James the Just and Paul interacted. I am also basing it on the Chapter of Romans telling so much of how God saw the relationship between the Jews and gentiles should be, and how God sees us, both as the same people equal in God's eyes, and also sees the Jews as ones God has used to help us and is still doing.

If my guessing is right, the return of Christ is ahead, all that is fulfilled is that we are starting last minute preparations, that may still take a 1,000 years.

The scripture that I use to back up my guessing would be that Jews were blinded for our sakes. If gentiles felt any obligation to do anything they feel those weird Jews do, they would not have accepted Christ, as our history books tell us. Also, we are being taught to rely on the Holy Spirit and Christ. You can see, by the personal threats to me, very different from you and I talking about this together, that God is not dealing with people who have renewed their mind in Christ, or have fruits of the spirit. Jews have been blinded to Christ, and gentiles have been blinded to how God used the Jews. God is still evangelizing gentiles, asking them to live for Him in Christ. We must not give up on doing our best to help, even in the midst of personal threats, like I have had.

So if my guessing about this fulfills scripture, then scripture has not been fulfilled at all. Things are coming into place slowly. Jews are returning to the Holy Land, getting in place, but we don't see too much of accepting Christ. That will be something we will just have to watch to see, although there are beginnings.

There are many Christians who are beginning to see how God used rituals, sort of in place of the Holy Spirit we have been given, to lead Jews before Christ, on to living for God. Many are reading Romans as scripture instead as a rant against what they term "Judaism". They don't see anything Paul says as against what OT says about God as God is explained in the Torah, only in how Christ made it easier for us, more understandable, and more real.

I am anxious to hear how you might feel my guess is not right, and how you see it!
 
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Sir as long as people desire the god of their own hearts speculation shall determine the heart of of their hearts god. Do you not read the bibles views as to the wisdom of man or the corruption man trying to do his best causes? You talk of history yet you ignore history's telling of the despicable acts carried out by people trying to self justify themselves by claiming to be the hand of God Almighty? You speak of history yet you propagate it through the justification of speculations.


I agree, I am speculating based on history and studying Acts, and how James the Just and Paul interacted. I am also basing it on the Chapter of Romans telling so much of how God saw the relationship between the Jews and gentiles should be, and how God sees us, both as the same people equal in God's eyes, and also sees the Jews as ones God has used to help us and is still doing.

If my guessing is right, the return of Christ is ahead, all that is fulfilled is that we are starting last minute preparations, that may still take a 1,000 years.

The scripture that I use to back up my guessing would be that Jews were blinded for our sakes. If gentiles felt any obligation to do anything they feel those weird Jews do, they would not have accepted Christ, as our history books tell us. Also, we are being taught to rely on the Holy Spirit and Christ. You can see, by the personal threats to me, very different from you and I talking about this together, that God is not dealing with people who have renewed their mind in Christ, or have fruits of the spirit. Jews have been blinded to Christ, and gentiles have been blinded to how God used the Jews. God is still evangelizing gentiles, asking them to live for Him in Christ. We must not give up on doing our best to help, even in the midst of personal threats, like I have had.

So if my guessing about this fulfills scripture, then scripture has not been fulfilled at all. Things are coming into place slowly. Jews are returning to the Holy Land, getting in place, but we don't see too much of accepting Christ. That will be something we will just have to watch to see, although there are beginnings.

There are many Christians who are beginning to see how God used rituals, sort of in place of the Holy Spirit we have been given, to lead Jews before Christ, on to living for God. Many are reading Romans as scripture instead as a rant against what they term "Judaism". They don't see anything Paul says as against what OT says about God as God is explained in the Torah, only in how Christ made it easier for us, more understandable, and more real.

I am anxious to hear how you might feel my guess is not right, and how you see it!
 
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Sir as long as people desire the god of their own hearts speculation shall determine the heart of of their hearts god. Do you not read the bibles views as to the wisdom of man or the corruption man trying to do his best causes? You talk of history yet you ignore history's telling of the despicable acts carried out by people trying to self justify themselves by claiming to be the hand of God Almighty? You speak of history yet you propagate it through the justification of speculations.
I object to you saying that I may not try to determine scripture! People who read prophecy do it all the time with nothing to base it on except personal decisions they have of what scripture means, yet they ask people to take what they say as scripture, I don't. The idea that we are prohibited from looking at what is happening and what God said would happen and compare it is unthinkable to me. I do not think it is corruption at all, I think it is corruption to not try to see God working in our lives.

Your judging is corruption. Your refusing to look to see how God might be working in our lives, to say we may not look to God is corruption!

And judging me as trying to be the hand of God almighty rather than trying to find a sensible rational person to talk this over is terrible judging that we are warned will keep us from Christ being able to forgive us. I overestimated you.
 
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I object to you saying that I may not try to determine scripture! People who read prophecy do it all the time with nothing to base it on except personal decisions they have of what scripture means, yet they ask people to take what they say as scripture, I don't. The idea that we are prohibited from looking at what is happening and what God said would happen and compare it is unthinkable to me. I do not think it is corruption at all, I think it is corruption to not try to see God working in our lives.

Your judging is corruption. Your refusing to look to see how God might be working in our lives, to say we may not look to God is corruption!

And judging me as trying to be the hand of God almighty rather than trying to find a sensible rational person to talk this over is terrible judging that we are warned will keep us from Christ being able to forgive us. I overestimated you.
did you find the post where i said Christ was not from the beginning yet.
i haven`t seen it. if you did and posted it, link to it. i wouldnt want to report you if you have corrected it.
there are a few hours left in this day. make it right, now. i know you will.
 
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spirit. Jews have been blinded to Christ, and gentiles have been blinded to how God used the Jews.
no they havent. they hate him and have hardened their hearts. or are neutral and dont care, not having been abused and indoctrinated against him. how dare you blame their unbelief on God.

as for gentiles being blind to how God used the jews, what are you talking about.
 
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no they havent. they hate him and have hardened their hearts. or are neutral and dont care, not having been abused and indoctrinated against him. how dare you blame their unbelief on God.

as for gentiles being blind to how God used the jews, what are you talking about.
Blame? No one who renews their spirit in Christ speaks as you do. I discuss scripture with Christians.
 
Dec 20, 2013
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If you are comfortable adding to the words of the bible in your infinite wisdom even thought the bible say don't do it then what could I possibly say that would divide you from the traditions of man you cling to.


I object to you saying that I may not try to determine scripture! People who read prophecy do it all the time with nothing to base it on except personal decisions they have of what scripture means, yet they ask people to take what they say as scripture, I don't. The idea that we are prohibited from looking at what is happening and what God said would happen and compare it is unthinkable to me. I do not think it is corruption at all, I think it is corruption to not try to see God working in our lives.

Your judging is corruption. Your refusing to look to see how God might be working in our lives, to say we may not look to God is corruption!

And judging me as trying to be the hand of God almighty rather than trying to find a sensible rational person to talk this over is terrible judging that we are warned will keep us from Christ being able to forgive us. I overestimated you.