when the time of the gentiles is complete

[Woodartdon]

Thank you for a well voiced placement of your present thoughts on the time of the Gentiles being complete. But there are key issues that have to be made clear so that man's distortions of God that the Book of the Bible make clear are held in consideration. Jeremiah 8:8 is clearly being ignored, or even added to, in an effort to accept the Jewish re-writing of the Old Books of the Temple. This is a consideration I did not see in your comment.
The Jew's in the time of Yeshua (Jesus), were sure of the god of their own heart (The god they are described as serving within the Bible it's self.) being God Almighty, even though the profits and the Lord Himself, told them they did not know God's heart. The more Christian that come to understand the truths = (The pouring out of one's self for others) without the traditions of man = (The acceptations to God's heart that allows for the changing of His words) the greater the wave of blessings that will encompass them! The river of blessings will have an ocean of followers being blessed and treating each other so much better then the world, that the world becomes amazed, giving the glory of it to Yhvh (God).
Put simply the Jew's and the Christian have reached the same end, but to hate is simply nothing to do with God, but simply displays a hold we still permit Satan. Just a hypothetical question for you here: If you as a god, caused a people to suffer for their lack of you in their lives, that the world might have a better understanding of you, would you hold them in a favorable light, in the day of accountability?

By comparing scripture and history, this is what I think the age of the gentiles is from what I imagine God's point of view is. There is a lot of man sort of thinking in this, it is something to think about and put what ever scripture could apply to it. Please don't discard my reasoning without thinking about it, nor say that scripture passages back up my conclusions so you must accept my thinking.

As soon as the gentiles took over leadership of the Christian church, after the Bar Kokhba Revolt in 132 AD, they began teaching a sort of anti Semitism. It wasn't scripture based, but they used scripture. They even used the book of Romans, explaining the Jew/gentile relationship in detail to back up their claims. Romans explains that we are equal in God's eyes, Jews unbelief is because they are blinded for our sakes, and that God is protecting them, these people ignored that. OT scripture says that it explains God, it is scripture. They said only Paul and the letters explained God and sometimes they didn't agree, they said. The letters were after the OT scripture, so that was the only truth. Scripture says it is all the same one God, and they agree perfectly. The gentiles said God changed, scripture said God was eternal and never changed.

Follow history until the Nicene Creed, that established Christ as God. That creed also established as law that gentiles were better than Jews. We were to have nothing to do with anything of the OT teachings that were too Jewish, so even Christian celebration were completely changed to man made ones. Jews became Christ killers. Anything of the OT that tells of God became Judinizing. No more than 15 years ago, I would have considered questioning Easter as not better than Passover to celebrate Christ as a terrible thing to do.

All this time, the time of the gentile, we have murdered Jews. Luther, a great worker for the Lord, suggested it was doing the Lord's work if we murdered a rabbi. Only recently is that looked at as God would see it.

Until recently, "Jew" was not only considered Christ killers, but leaders in people living a life devoted to God, even though they were blinded to Christ. They were not blinded to the knowledge a messiah would come, just that the messiah God sent was not the one. The scripture saying God protected them was ignored, they were only deemed enemies of Christ. Yet for many years of history, it was only the Jews that showed the world what living for God was like, and made them want to copy that. Read middle age history and you will see.

Ever since God separated Abraham and gave him and his descendants the commission to show God to us, God has also made them a special people. It isn't that they are more important, it is a sort of thank you to them from God.

These are the last days. God sent the deep sea scrolls that opened up OT understanding. God is showing us prophecy coming true for the first time in 2,000 years. There are churches that announce that they believe God shows Himself in the OT, and we should listen, for the first time. They say to understand Christ, we first need to understand the OT foundations Christ used to build on. These churches are treated in the same way Christ was treated, saying it is not so, we should only be against anything Jewish. The age of the gentile is coming to an end, the ago of God is coming.

Scripture says that Jerusalem will be a center for all of this. That Jews will learn of Christ. I trust scripture, but how God will bring this about is beyond anything I can imagine. Jews are mostly not God fearing, today!!

 

[Woodartdon]

If you please, could you point out were this relates to the time of the Gentiles being complete? I don't really even see where your reference relates to God's judgment being delayed.

The title of this thread reminds me of patterns in the Bible where God's judgement is delayed until the fullness of iniquity is come. A sobering thought, as individuals, what measure of iniquity do we contribute? It is a question Spurgeon asks in this sermon, of which I include his conclusion. The complete sermon is here:http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols52-54/chs3043.pdf

I often wonder why some of you come to hear me
as you do. It puzzles me, for I see no reason why
you should do so. I offer you no amusement. I tell you no comi
cal stories, but I seek to break your hearts
with the hammer of the Word of G
od! You come and you go, yet you get
no blessing as far as I can see.
Are you content to always have it so?
If you are, I am not content! I am
at least responsible for faithfully
warning you and honestly preaching to
you the great Gospel message, “Believe
on the Lord Jesus Christ,
and you shall be saved.” Every time I stand in th
is pulpit, there is some
body here who never comes
again—he cannot come again, for he dies before the ne
xt Lord’s-Day. So large
is the congregation here
that I may almost say, speaking according to the laws
of probability, that it is almost certain that some
one of us will have gone the way of all flesh before
this week is gone. Who will
it be? May God take the
ripe and spare the green! May He take those who ar
e ready and spare those who are not ready! But,
better still, may He lead us all to
trust in the Savior and then we
shall all be ready whenever the
summons comes! May He do so, for His name’s sake! Amen

 

[Woodartdon]

Well ain't that nice, you know the same scriptures that I know. The problem for you is this scripture supports what I am saying, Jerusalem is still occupied by foreigners. Also, the full of the verses here is about the returning of the Lord and when that would happen.

Luke 21:24-27 (KJV)


[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.


By reading the context the times of the Gentiles ends at the return of Christ.

 

[Woodartdon]

I am sorry to tell you this , but you truly need to show how you come to this conclusion. Clearly in Luke, it is given as what happens in preset of His return, how do you change that?

The times of the gentiles or rather church comes to an end at the rapture, where we meet Him in the clouds and not His return for at His return we ( the church) come with Him.

 

[Woodartdon]

May I have the verses you are standing on here that I may test them?

Daniel reveals the layout for Gentile nations (not the church) in prophecy. When that statue revealed to Nebuchadnezzar falls ,the time of the Gentiles (their rule) ends.

 

[Woodartdon]

If you do not understand the desire to understand one's surroundings, influences, information and direction, what can anyone even say to you?

why do people ask questions such as this? How do some of the question I see on this site help the body of Christ? I see a lot of vain babblings and questions that only cause confusion and strife and I am asking myself why? Can someone help me understand why people ask such questions?

 

[Zinzerio]

are bodies are a temple for the living for God so what is the need for another made out of brick and mortars, ?
doesnt make sense to me why there should be another temple ? i believe the pope is going to Jerusalem in may,, something to do with a peace treaty it was on our local news a couple of days ago, he also asked the Jews for forgiveness what ever that means i dunno. maybe the gentile might become complete then who knows

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

The Bible teaches that the end will come when the time of the gentiles is complete. Consider this: the time is when Christians lose sight of God’s heart as the Pharisees and Scribes had in the time of our Messiah’s birth.

The churches have led and are leading the God- seekers of today astray, exactly as the Pharisees had in the day of our Lords birth. Distorting Yhvh: They control the Lord’s followers with the traditions of man. They study only to prove what they have been saying, not to discover the truth. They are willing to prove none of what they say short of divine inspiration, babble or twisted verses.

They play on the greed of man with promises not made by Yhvh but to please the wealthy with promises of surety.

They threaten the poor with eternal torment, promising immediate rewards and blessings toward their prosperity. Distancing themselves from those who felt let down, even condemning them for a lack of faith. This is not what Yhvh says to do within the bible, but it is what He warned us about!

As we study, we find those who choose to teach the word are held to a much higher standard. (millstone around the neck, etc.) That implies grace no longer applies to the teachers. When we choose to stand in the light of being an authority, we remove ourselves as sheep to become keepers of those sheep. Keepers of the sheep are held accountable for their stewardship over the sheep and outer darkness is the misleader’s end. So when any of us take a stance as to the heart of God, let us be sure.

Great thread! It will be interesting to see how different people respond to all of this!
First of all I see a great many problems with the way you posted this thread!
so just a few.

What END, are you talking about?
Why are you speaking about Gentiles as if they still exist today?

The Gentiles were God's enemy's from Adam to Adam, right?
These were the Gentiles proper right?
The Bible is not speaking of spook gentiles or spiritual gentiles, is it?

From all of the Bibles teachings before 70ad to the Early Church,
we are told there are no more Jew or Gentile;
we are told this over and over, again and again! Right!?

After 70ad the Gentiles of the Bible do not exist any more, so what the hell are you talking about!!!?

Jesus when He answered that wicked generation of Jews who demanded for Him to give them a sign,
told them no sign would be given them but Jonah! They would not have known of His dying and 3 day in the grave yet, but that is not what He wanted them to see. Jesus was announcing to Jews that the times of the Gentiles was already upon them! What did Jonah do??? He preached to them and they were all saved from the King to the lowest person! They were being absorbed into the Greco-Roman world of His birth, and by 70ad they were being absorbed into the Church of Covenant Israel. We hear very little of them shortly after this timeline of 70ad.

This is why almost all of the letters in the Early Church dealt with these Gentile Churches! Those Gentiles were no longer God's enemy's! This was a great Coup for God and His Lamb! This generation of Gentiles is a witness to the world that the Gospel of Jesus was to extend to the utter most parts of the earth, and no longer just to the World in Adam which was fixing to be abolished forever! But the Gentiles proper were the enemy's of Israel who surrounded them, and continually drew them away from their God; from Adam to Adam!

The first part of your statement is correct! at the end of the times of the Gentiles will bring forth the end! The rest that you add for everyone to consider, changes the Word of God, to your Word!

I understand almost everyone in here wants to play their digital Dispensational games, and that's fine just leave me out of them, if you please!

What ended at the end of the Early Church? The Old Covenant World in Adam!
Why did the Church in Jerusalem have to suffer unto the end? ie 70ad
Why did Paul always preach to the Jew first and then to the Gentile?
Why was Jerusalem, the Holy City of God destroyed? His Temple? 1.1 million Jews?

I'm like most other people in here when I was in Sunday school, I was TOLD,
that if you were not a Jew you were a Gentile! That's innocent enough I guess!
But it is absolute hogwash!!!

This is gotten out of the Scripture's that were written to that last generation before 70ad!
Jesus did for the Jews what they could not do for themselves!
In doing this He did for the Gentiles what they could not do for themselves!
In doing this He did for the rest of the world the same thing!

There is no Scripture to promote your sometime in the distant future Alien Gentiles?
The Gentiles ceased to exist after 70ad.

The Old and New Testaments are filled with the Gentiles that were the enemy's of Israel!
Which tell us also: There are no more Jew or Gentile!

There are no more Jew, (who is called the chose people of God!)
There are no more Gentile, (who is the enemy of the Nations that surrounded Israel from Adam to Adam)!
You cannot keep spiritualizing Scripture, this is what Harold Camping did!
He spiritualized everything and made it about himself and the day he lived in!

It's really hard to speak to those in the church until this spell is broken,
of the true historical Jesus and the Early Church!

But I do not want you to loose sight of the thread, of the times of the Gentiles.
Who were the Gentiles in the Scripture, not in the make believe books, of the Left behind crap!
In real history, who are they?

There are no Scripture's to promote what you are speaking about! NONE!
The 'times of the Gentiles', was the generation that God's Word says,
they were preached to and drawn into the Kingdom! There is no other times of the Gentiles!
just some of my thoughts

 

[Laodicea]

Well ain't that nice, you know the same scriptures that I know. The problem for you is this scripture supports what I am saying, Jerusalem is still occupied by foreigners. Also, the full of the verses here is about the returning of the Lord and when that would happen.

I am more interested in what the Bible says than what you say. In your own mind you think it supports what you say. Can you get the same thing using just the Bible with no added comments?

 

[crossnote]

May I have the verses you are standing on here that I may test them?

DAN 2:36-45 for starters.

 

[RedTent]

Thank you for a well voiced placement of your present thoughts on the time of the Gentiles being complete. But there are key issues that have to be made clear so that man's distortions of God that the Book of the Bible make clear are held in consideration. Jeremiah 8:8 is clearly being ignored, or even added to, in an effort to accept the Jewish re-writing of the Old Books of the Temple. This is a consideration I did not see in your comment.
The Jew's in the time of Yeshua (Jesus), were sure of the god of their own heart (The god they are described as serving within the Bible it's self.) being God Almighty, even though the profits and the Lord Himself, told them they did not know God's heart. The more Christian that come to understand the truths = (The pouring out of one's self for others) without the traditions of man = (The acceptations to God's heart that allows for the changing of His words) the greater the wave of blessings that will encompass them! The river of blessings will have an ocean of followers being blessed and treating each other so much better then the world, that the world becomes amazed, giving the glory of it to Yhvh (God).
Put simply the Jew's and the Christian have reached the same end, but to hate is simply nothing to do with God, but simply displays a hold we still permit Satan. Just a hypothetical question for you here: If you as a god, caused a people to suffer for their lack of you in their lives, that the world might have a better understanding of you, would you hold them in a favorable light, in the day of accountability?

I am sorry, I don't understand your first paragraph. Wish I could, I'll bet we could have an interesting discussion of my theories and yours. Something rare on cc!!!

If I am right that by "age of the gentile" scripture is pointing to that the gentiles took over the Christian Councils that were in Jewish Christian hands until about 132AD, then the age of the gentiles is not over. Almost all of our councils have been in gentile hands, all denominations. There are a few Christian Jews in the new denomination called Messianic Jews, now, but they are a despised and tiny denomination. Despised very much like the Jews have always been despised.

I have studied the history of the Jews closely from the time of Christ until now, it is more interesting than any novel. They have been protected and cherished, even as the world wants to kill them off. Many times they lived in pleasure and fun, like during the middle ages, while the world lived in hate and wars, based on their rules about family, etc. that served as a sort of shelter for them. I think their race, and God's relation to them, is such a mystery that for any human to make any guess about them is impossible. I don't think there are any two men who listen for God's voice, that reads the book of Romans the same, a book explaining it all to us. It is still a mystery.

 

[RedTent]

Great thread! It will be interesting to see how different people respond to all of this!
First of all I see a great many problems with the way you posted this thread!
so just a few.

What END, are you talking about?
Why are you speaking about Gentiles as if they still exist today?

The Gentiles were God's enemy's from Adam to Adam, right?
These were the Gentiles proper right?
The Bible is not speaking of spook gentiles or spiritual gentiles, is it?

From all of the Bibles teachings before 70ad to the Early Church,
we are told there are no more Jew or Gentile;
we are told this over and over, again and again! Right!?

After 70ad the Gentiles of the Bible do not exist any more, so what the hell are you talking about!!!?

Jesus when He answered that wicked generation of Jews who demanded for Him to give them a sign,
told them no sign would be given them but Jonah! They would not have known of His dying and 3 day in the grave yet, but that is not what He wanted them to see. Jesus was announcing to Jews that the times of the Gentiles was already upon them! What did Jonah do??? He preached to them and they were all saved from the King to the lowest person! They were being absorbed into the Greco-Roman world of His birth, and by 70ad they were being absorbed into the Church of Covenant Israel. We hear very little of them shortly after this timeline of 70ad.

This is why almost all of the letters in the Early Church dealt with these Gentile Churches! Those Gentiles were no longer God's enemy's! This was a great Coup for God and His Lamb! This generation of Gentiles is a witness to the world that the Gospel of Jesus was to extend to the utter most parts of the earth, and no longer just to the World in Adam which was fixing to be abolished forever! But the Gentiles proper were the enemy's of Israel who surrounded them, and continually drew them away from their God; from Adam to Adam!

The first part of your statement is correct! at the end of the times of the Gentiles will bring forth the end! The rest that you add for everyone to consider, changes the Word of God, to your Word!

I understand almost everyone in here wants to play their digital Dispensational games, and that's fine just leave me out of them, if you please!

What ended at the end of the Early Church? The Old Covenant World in Adam!
Why did the Church in Jerusalem have to suffer unto the end? ie 70ad
Why did Paul always preach to the Jew first and then to the Gentile?
Why was Jerusalem, the Holy City of God destroyed? His Temple? 1.1 million Jews?

I'm like most other people in here when I was in Sunday school, I was TOLD,
that if you were not a Jew you were a Gentile! That's innocent enough I guess!
But it is absolute hogwash!!!

This is gotten out of the Scripture's that were written to that last generation before 70ad!
Jesus did for the Jews what they could not do for themselves!
In doing this He did for the Gentiles what they could not do for themselves!
In doing this He did for the rest of the world the same thing!

There is no Scripture to promote your sometime in the distant future Alien Gentiles?
The Gentiles ceased to exist after 70ad.

The Old and New Testaments are filled with the Gentiles that were the enemy's of Israel!
Which tell us also: There are no more Jew or Gentile!

There are no more Jew, (who is called the chose people of God!)
There are no more Gentile, (who is the enemy of the Nations that surrounded Israel from Adam to Adam)!
You cannot keep spiritualizing Scripture, this is what Harold Camping did!
He spiritualized everything and made it about himself and the day he lived in!

It's really hard to speak to those in the church until this spell is broken,
of the true historical Jesus and the Early Church!

But I do not want you to loose sight of the thread, of the times of the Gentiles.
Who were the Gentiles in the Scripture, not in the make believe books, of the Left behind crap!
In real history, who are they?

There are no Scripture's to promote what you are speaking about! NONE!
The 'times of the Gentiles', was the generation that God's Word says,
they were preached to and drawn into the Kingdom! There is no other times of the Gentiles!
just some of my thoughts

There are a lot of claims you make scripture says that aren't backed up by scripture.
"Gentiles were God's enemies". There are many verses about gentiles who believed in the One true God.

"No more Jews or Gentiles" yet scripture sometimes speaks of the physical Jews and sometimes of the Spiritual Jews. We are expected to look at the contents and know what it is speaking of. Scripture makes a big point of that we are equal to Jews, we are the same. It also talks of the Jewish race. We are not to be legalistic in our reading of scripture.

"Wicked generation of Jews". All the apostles and Jesus were Jews, there is no wicked generation of Jews.

"Jesus announced the age of the gentiles." He did no such thing. We can see places that Jesus meant to open up His salvation to gentiles, but God did that from the beginning.

"Early churches were gentile". The early churches were a very mixed bag, sometimes in homes and sometimes in the synagogue.

I think your "what the hell" statement explains where you are coming from. I don't think a lot of this is based on spiritual truth.

 

[Vaudeville]

Jerusalem is still occupied by foreigners.

all kinds of 'foreigners'. so what? the ultimate disobedience was and is the rejection of Christ. that's today's holy land (minus the christians).
jeruslam that now is has no more significance for God.

Galatians 4
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

 

[Vaudeville]

"Wicked generation of Jews". All the apostles and Jesus were Jews, there is no wicked generation of Jews.

you're incredible! no fear openly denying the words of Christ. he said he reject those who did this.

Jesus, speaking to the apostate jews (not the faithful remant). is this really that difficult for you? i don't think so. i think you are a full fledged judaizer who doesn't care is she denies the plain meaning of the new testament.

Matthew 16
4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Jewish Peter warned the jews to:

Acts 2
40 Peter made his appeal to them and with many other words he urged them, saying, “Save yourselves from the punishment coming on this wicked people!”

some did, some didn't.

 

[Vaudeville]

If I am right that by "age of the gentile" scripture is pointing to that the gentiles took over the Christian Councils that were in Jewish Christian hands until about 132AD, then the age of the gentiles is not over.

no, you're not right. where is the passage saying "age of the gentiles"?
no clue what you're talking about. none of that has anything to do with us today. you won't "get" this. you need gentiles to be evil.

 

[Woodartdon]

So what? Are you kidding? Are you a child? Quoting irreverent passages and speaking as though authoritative!
you pick and choose verses taking out of context and accepting only what fits into your hearts image of god; but proving your stance is clearly beyond your grasp. I am sorry for you.

all kinds of 'foreigners'. so what? the ultimate disobedience was and is the rejection of Christ. that's today's holy land (minus the christians).
jeruslam that now is has no more significance for God.

Galatians 4
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

 

[Woodartdon]

Please tell me how (in detail) your explanation fulfills the scripture? I do not find any support short of complete speculation. I you could please point out supporting correlations between the theory you present and scripture. You do realize that Luke was speaking about the return of the Lord? Are you claiming that the Lord has returned and that the promise to Jerusalem has been fulfilled? I find your claims about the lives of the Jewish community questionable and confusing, but this is not a post about the lives of the Jewish people.

I am sorry, I don't understand your first paragraph. Wish I could, I'll bet we could have an interesting discussion of my theories and yours. Something rare on cc!!!

If I am right that by "age of the gentile" scripture is pointing to that the gentiles took over the Christian Councils that were in Jewish Christian hands until about 132AD, then the age of the gentiles is not over. Almost all of our councils have been in gentile hands, all denominations. There are a few Christian Jews in the new denomination called Messianic Jews, now, but they are a despised and tiny denomination. Despised very much like the Jews have always been despised.

I have studied the history of the Jews closely from the time of Christ until now, it is more interesting than any novel. They have been protected and cherished, even as the world wants to kill them off. Many times they lived in pleasure and fun, like during the middle ages, while the world lived in hate and wars, based on their rules about family, etc. that served as a sort of shelter for them. I think their race, and God's relation to them, is such a mystery that for any human to make any guess about them is impossible. I don't think there are any two men who listen for God's voice, that reads the book of Romans the same, a book explaining it all to us. It is still a mystery.

 

[Woodartdon]

You are arrogant and angry and I am sorry that no one can read your mind when you post a verse you think supports you.

I am more interested in what the Bible says than what you say. In your own mind you think it supports what you say. Can you get the same thing using just the Bible with no added comments?

 

[Woodartdon]

I must be down right stupid as I in no way see the relationship here to time of the Gentiles being complete without greatly adding to the word here. Since you seem unwilling to explain yourself were oh were does that leave all us ignorant people who believe it is sin to add to the word at a loss.

Dan 2:36-43


36 "This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king. 37 You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory; 38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold.


39 "After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. 40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron — for iron breaks and smashes everything — and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. 41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
NIV

DAN 2:36-45 for starters.

 

[Woodartdon]

Your post is very long and asks many things so I will reply in the order asked.
The end, as I understand it, (as the Lords return is what the verses say it signifies) end the separation between us and God.
Gentile are anyone not Jewish, the different nations had different titles but the were all Gentile.
The fact that you yourself used the phrase “Jew or Gentile shows that in your mind there are Jews and Gentiles, so have we all become Jews or are we all “the hell” as you put it) Gentiles?
The next two paragraphs are adding to the word and far to unsupported, can you support them at all?
Tell me how I change the word of God exactly if you can or just admit you just don’t like what it says.
Now you are just being a wise guy spewing hate so I will take your leave and leave you to your hating.

Great thread! It will be interesting to see how different people respond to all of this!
First of all I see a great many problems with the way you posted this thread!
so just a few.

What END, are you talking about?
Why are you speaking about Gentiles as if they still exist today?

The Gentiles were God's enemy's from Adam to Adam, right?
These were the Gentiles proper right?
The Bible is not speaking of spook gentiles or spiritual gentiles, is it?

From all of the Bibles teachings before 70ad to the Early Church,
we are told there are no more Jew or Gentile;
we are told this over and over, again and again! Right!?

After 70ad the Gentiles of the Bible do not exist any more, so what the hell are you talking about!!!?

Jesus when He answered that wicked generation of Jews who demanded for Him to give them a sign,
told them no sign would be given them but Jonah! They would not have known of His dying and 3 day in the grave yet, but that is not what He wanted them to see. Jesus was announcing to Jews that the times of the Gentiles was already upon them! What did Jonah do??? He preached to them and they were all saved from the King to the lowest person! They were being absorbed into the Greco-Roman world of His birth, and by 70ad they were being absorbed into the Church of Covenant Israel. We hear very little of them shortly after this timeline of 70ad.

This is why almost all of the letters in the Early Church dealt with these Gentile Churches! Those Gentiles were no longer God's enemy's! This was a great Coup for God and His Lamb! This generation of Gentiles is a witness to the world that the Gospel of Jesus was to extend to the utter most parts of the earth, and no longer just to the World in Adam which was fixing to be abolished forever! But the Gentiles proper were the enemy's of Israel who surrounded them, and continually drew them away from their God; from Adam to Adam!

The first part of your statement is correct! at the end of the times of the Gentiles will bring forth the end! The rest that you add for everyone to consider, changes the Word of God, to your Word!

I understand almost everyone in here wants to play their digital Dispensational games, and that's fine just leave me out of them, if you please!

What ended at the end of the Early Church? The Old Covenant World in Adam!
Why did the Church in Jerusalem have to suffer unto the end? ie 70ad
Why did Paul always preach to the Jew first and then to the Gentile?
Why was Jerusalem, the Holy City of God destroyed? His Temple? 1.1 million Jews?

I'm like most other people in here when I was in Sunday school, I was TOLD,
that if you were not a Jew you were a Gentile! That's innocent enough I guess!
But it is absolute hogwash!!!

This is gotten out of the Scripture's that were written to that last generation before 70ad!
Jesus did for the Jews what they could not do for themselves!
In doing this He did for the Gentiles what they could not do for themselves!
In doing this He did for the rest of the world the same thing!

There is no Scripture to promote your sometime in the distant future Alien Gentiles?
The Gentiles ceased to exist after 70ad.

The Old and New Testaments are filled with the Gentiles that were the enemy's of Israel!
Which tell us also: There are no more Jew or Gentile!

There are no more Jew, (who is called the chose people of God!)
There are no more Gentile, (who is the enemy of the Nations that surrounded Israel from Adam to Adam)!
You cannot keep spiritualizing Scripture, this is what Harold Camping did!
He spiritualized everything and made it about himself and the day he lived in!

It's really hard to speak to those in the church until this spell is broken,
of the true historical Jesus and the Early Church!

But I do not want you to loose sight of the thread, of the times of the Gentiles.
Who were the Gentiles in the Scripture, not in the make believe books, of the Left behind crap!
In real history, who are they?

There are no Scripture's to promote what you are speaking about! NONE!
The 'times of the Gentiles', was the generation that God's Word says,
they were preached to and drawn into the Kingdom! There is no other times of the Gentiles!
just some of my thoughts