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jacob_g

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Is God the Creator of life?
When does life begin?
When is it ok, with God, to murder? ..... In utero?.... Post utero?....less than 1 second to 120 years old????.....
 

Adstar

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Is God the Creator of life?
When does life begin?
When is it ok, with God, to murder? ..... In utero?.... Post utero?....less than 1 second to 120 years old????.....
When the male Sperm unites with the female Ovum then a New genetically unique human life has started.. This new and unique human individual has the right to have their chance at living their lives until God determines their life will end..
 
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Is God the Creator of life?
When does life begin?
When is it ok, with God, to murder? ..... In utero?.... Post utero?....less than 1 second to 120 years old????.....
At conception......science has proven that when a sperm unites with an egg a brilliant flash of light takes place......<---JESUS is that LIGHT which LIGHTS every man that comes into existence.......
 
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AMEN....never a time to murder, but there is a time to KILL.......and as you know the words are different and intent plays a big part....

for example

Thou shalt not KILL <---this word means MURDER and it is never right

THERE IS a time to KILL <---Samuel KILLING and hewing AGAG up.....

;)
 

GaryA

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Life began when God breathed the breath of life into Adam.

And, it has not stopped since.

:)
 
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To abort one baby is to kill potential millions in a long chain of ancestors going back to Eden and continuing until the end of the world.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Is God the Creator of life?
When does life begin?
When is it ok, with God, to murder? ..... In utero?.... Post utero?....less than 1 second to 120 years old????.....
God is creator and sustains life.
In science and scripture life begins at conception.
God the creator of life and sustainer means at any point God could pull away and we die. If God kills, he just as a all righteous God and within his foreknowledge has determined at that time and place was good to end the individuals life.

God's in the soul business. Yes he provides and takes very detailed care of his creation but ultimately the soul is the eternal importance.

Murder implies a injustice. With God he cannot murder. God can take life as to that is what God does with anyone. All our lives are in his hands.

Yes a car accident may severely hurt us and we are dying, it may not of been God's will due to free will, sin, and evil but God can still heal, cause a miracle or decide to let the world spin as it may. Ultimately He still decides if the individual dies.

God commanded the killing of whole cities drenched in evil and this included the men, women, children, and animals. God knew what evil future generations would bring as evident because his commands was disobeyed and it severely hurt the Israelites in later generations.
 
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Is God the Creator of life?
When does life begin?
When is it ok, with God, to murder? ..... In utero?.... Post utero?....less than 1 second to 120 years old????.....
Yes.
let there be light.
you probably know that one.
 

jacob_g

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There is not a one who posted that was not Biblically correct, so how is it that people of God can know the truth, life begins at conception, yet want to vote for people who not just upheld Roe v. Wade but want to vote into the head of our United States government people who believe life can be snuffed out after a live give birth if the mother does not want the child?

It cannot be for the mothers life, fore goodness sake, she just gave birth!!!
 

JaumeJ

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I am against abortion.

I am a man, so I will never condemn any woman for having one.

Now, what about all th emen who get a woman pregnant and then just disappear?

Let us put the responsibility with both, ok? If you are not a woman, do not judge, and if you are a woman, do not judge. Pray, love and give mercy to all… This does not mean you approve of abortion, it means you share the forgiveness you have received.
Stop the hypocrisy now.
 

MattforJesus

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Is God the Creator of life?
When does life begin?
When is it ok, with God, to murder? ..... In utero?.... Post utero?....less than 1 second to 120 years old????.....
Job 31:15 Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?

Jer 1:4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

I would say life starts at conception for it is a living human although small but still a human at conception and we all grow even when we come out of the womb.

Adam and Eve were made from the dust of the earth and are human and how much more advanced is the start of life in the womb that is greater than the dust Adam and Eve came from.

Once conception happens it is a human and starts their life from there.

They think because the child in the womb is not relating to the world, and not doing activities in the world, and not going to school, and not paying any taxes that it is not a human, and does not have any rights but they do have rights from God.
 

oldhermit

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Is God the Creator of life?
When does life begin?
When is it ok, with God, to murder? ..... In utero?.... Post utero?....less than 1 second to 120 years old????.....

"You shall not murder"
Exodus 20:13

Murder is a world magnitude. There is no corner of the globe where this command has not suffered violence. This commandment is laid across the entire spectrum of killing but, the command discriminates because not all killing is murder. Murder is arbitrary, willful, malicious; it is without legitimate purpose, and there is no inherent necessity for it. Murder can be either planned or spontaneous, but neither effects the nature of the action.

The context of the meaning of murder is the will of God, not situation or circumstance. By this single commandment, God hereby legitimizes human existence and attaches meaning and value to human life. Murder is an attempt to delegitimize and devalue human life. God has said you shall not do this.

Murder is an assault on the dignity of man and the nature of God himself because man is created in the image if his Maker. It is an unwarranted violent reaction to circumstances of whatever kind.

There is no such thing as the right to murder. The right of murder has not been extended to governments nor to individuals. With these commandments, God is putting a cleavage between the power to do something and the right to do something, and these are not the same thing. This cleavage is an eternal prohibition against many types of human behaviors.

Man attempts to use legal power to overturn the laws of God. Today for example, the fetus is denied protection from being murdered in the womb. From the legal point of view, the unborn has been fully delegitimized and devalued. It has been decreed by law that the fetus has no rights, not even the right to live. Thus, man has taken the power of deciding the right of life out of the hands of the Almighty and placed into human courts. The fetus has been labeled by the courts as a non-person, thus it is argued that it is not murder to kill an aggregate of protoplasm. It has been completely dehumanized. This is the rationalization of the value of a human life verses the convenience or inconvenience of another.

This philosophy of human life has also affected the old and terminally ill who have become subject to euthanasia when life becomes burdensome or inconvenient, especially to others. They have simply been pushed aside and marginalized as having no intrinsic value. The idea is a very simple one, murder the Ten Commandments, then murder the people. We are witnesses to more than one holocaust emerging in our time. Murder is a crowning human overreach of power over the will of God. This command “You shall not commit murder” generalizes to situations where one has the power to act but not the right to act. This inherently implies that man has the power to murder, but that this power must be controlled, regulated and be made to conform to a divine will. The commandment forbids the exercise of this power to all.
 

Aerials1978

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There is not a one who posted that was not Biblically correct, so how is it that people of God can know the truth, life begins at conception, yet want to vote for people who not just upheld Roe v. Wade but want to vote into the head of our United States government people who believe life can be snuffed out after a live give birth if the mother does not want the child?

It cannot be for the mothers life, fore goodness sake, she just gave birth!!!
It’s mainly because they are not true Believers. Anyone who is of God has God’s desires. Ripping apart a children in the name of convenience is an abomination before God. This country along with others will feel God’s wrath for their unrepentant hearts.
 
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Yes.
let there be light.
you probably know that one.

Yes. "let there be" and the presence of the glory of our unseen God entered the picture where nothing stood beforehand .God is light not that he is able to create it like the Sun a temporal source. When God found sin in the heart of the father of lies .The glory as the light departed as the serpent stood in the holy place of faith.( the unseen) An abomination of desolation
 
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Yes. "let there be" and the presence of the glory of our unseen God entered the picture where nothing stood beforehand .God is light not that he is able to create it like the Sun a temporal source. When God found sin in the heart of the father of lies .The glory as the light departed as the serpent stood in the holy place of faith.( the unseen) An abomination of desolation
Yes God is Light but the only thing that entered was his breath, let there be light was the oldest star in our galaxy has been around since the beginning before the formation of the Milky Way where earth is and as well was formless and void.

Yes on a symbolic level as you mentioned might have something there
 

pottersclay

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There is not a one who posted that was not Biblically correct, so how is it that people of God can know the truth, life begins at conception, yet want to vote for people who not just upheld Roe v. Wade but want to vote into the head of our United States government people who believe life can be snuffed out after a live give birth if the mother does not want the child?

It cannot be for the mothers life, fore goodness sake, she just gave birth!!!
Well here goes nothing....😏 I here the sabers rattling now.
Abortion clinics were first introduced by the government (Democrats) for population control mainly aimed at the poor black population. Ever notice there locations?
It was founded by another name then went to planned Parenthood.
It was introduced as a woman's rights issue but it had a very dark underlined reason for it's existence. As I said population control.
 

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I would say it depend on what a person considers to be murder. The commandment "Thou shall not kill" is speaking of premeditated murder. But killing to protect your country, family and friends and yourself is permitted. I believe.
Yes, the questioner used the term 'murder' in connection to abortion.
God has given the State the sword to thwart evil. I can hardly consider an infant evil or an evil doer.

So whoever opposes the authority has resisted God’s direction, and those who have resisted will bring judgment on themselves. For leaders cause no fear for good behavior, but for bad. Now if you do not want to fear the authority, do what is good and you will get his approval— for he is God’s servant to you for your good. But if you do evil, be afraid—for he does not carry the sword for no reason; for he is God’s servant, an avenger who inflicts punishment on the evildoer. (Rom 13:2-4)

It is a shame when a governmental body who is to protect it's citizenry and especially the innocent ones, use the sword as an accomplice in murdering those it never was ordained by God to murder.
 

massorite

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Yes, the questioner used the term 'murder' in connection to abortion.
God has given the State the sword to thwart evil. I can hardly consider an infant evil or an evil doer.

So whoever opposes the authority has resisted God’s direction, and those who have resisted will bring judgment on themselves. For leaders cause no fear for good behavior, but for bad. Now if you do not want to fear the authority, do what is good and you will get his approval— for he is God’s servant to you for your good. But if you do evil, be afraid—for he does not carry the sword for no reason; for he is God’s servant, an avenger who inflicts punishment on the evildoer. (Rom 13:2-4)

It is a shame when a governmental body who is to protect it's citizenry and especially the innocent ones, use the sword as an accomplice in murdering those it never was ordained by God to murder.
There is no question that abortion is murder and premeditated.