Where are Our Prophets

[apwall21]

Why are you not satisfied with the prophecies already given in the Bible? Do you wish to have your ears tickled?

What if I do? Would it change that the Church clearly needs this role filled?
I am rather of the opinion that Satan has a team of killers, who specifically aim to kill prophets where found. But that's a bit deeper on the topic than I'd like to go right now.
Right now, I'm asking which Denominations teach Prophecy, at all, and where are those who are supposed to help The church by speaking in it.

i for one wish for less of this charismatic madness.

I didn't say anything about Charismatic, but I assume you are telling me that prophecy is taught in that Denomination.
What I asked is where are ours. You seem to have a similar concern, since you identified "useless garbage," as opposed to, if I can speak for you, a guidepost.

I am curious to know what your definition of prophecy is.

I am too. This is my problem. I see that it existed in the OT, existed in Acts, and Paul speaks of it as a Gift. But who has the book on being a prophet? Which of the Denominations are teaching this particular gift?
Moody does wonderfully on biblical exposition/Wisdom of this world, but are they speaking Prophecy? The Charismatics seem to have the Gift of Tongues down, but are they speaking Prophecy?
These gifts are set aside by my radio pastor, laying of hands and actual healing expected? This is what we do when we want to say we did it per the NT, "but we need to send our family to the doctor first..."

 

[oyster67]

Prophets are more than fortune and future tellers. Today we have something much more important to talk about.


Revelation 3

18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

i believe Prophecy works in many ways so some people don't connect the dots if it happens. some believe Prophecy is dead because they view it like the Old Testament and compare to the remaining Prophecies to be fulfilled. but i believe it's still active and it works in many ways. for example:

ever go to Church and see same people over and over and maybe you wave to them, shake hands, say small talk, but you don't ever get involved in who they are or how life is going for them. then one service you see them and all of a sudden you get this feeling and thought you should go to them and tell them [hey, everything is going to work out]. so you approach them, you say, i know we don't really know one another but from Church, but i feel God wants me to tell you [everything is going to work out]. next thing you know they are hugging and thanking you and telling [we really needed to hear that and do believe it is from God]. to me, you just Prophesied. so i believe the Gift of Prophecy is very much active and alive and well.

 

[apwall21]

Today we have something much more important to talk about.
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So you don't want God's direct intervention in if you should go into a certain business, or send a missionary to a certain place, or if a sickness will result in death, or if you should travel for a business cause, or ....

To be harsh, to expose the difference between Prophecy as it seems to be intended, and the idea that we're just gonna win the lottery and sit fat, if that's what you're thinking I'm looking for:
If this idea, that "there are better things to talk about than what is happening in the spiritual and physical fight against Satan," was true of our church, by now then we'd be so gloriously well off in this world and the Kingdom, we'd be sitting idle in a circle, while manna falls from heaven into our waiting mouths to feed us, and especially while saving souls by singing utterances in gleeful trance, never moving from our God provided church home-worship-rooms.

 

[oyster67]

I am too. This is my problem. I see that it existed in the OT, existed in Acts, and Paul speaks of it as a Gift. But who has the book on being a prophet? Which of the Denominations are teaching this particular gift?
Moody does wonderfully on biblical exposition/Wisdom of this world, but are they speaking Prophecy? The Charismatics seem to have the Gift of Tongues down, but are they speaking Prophecy?
These gifts are set aside by my radio pastor, laying of hands and actual healing expected? This is what we do when we want to say we did it per the NT, "but we need to send our family to the doctor first..."

All you have to do to prophecy is to read your Bible to someone. The Bible contains all the prophecies we need.

Also, Charismatics are not the only ones who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[apwall21]

All you have to do to prophecy is to read your Bible to someone.

Then why did Paul teach us to seek this gift!?
"Charismatics don't"
Good, I never claimed they did. Or even that I can say they do. I haven't spent time among them, much.

 

[oyster67]

So you don't want God's direct intervention in if you should go into a certain business, or send a missionary to a certain place, or if a sickness will result in death, or if you should travel for a business cause, or ....

When we yield our lives to Christ, we give Him full control. This is for all of us. He can use me however He wants and whenever He wants.
You are way overcomplicating things. Just walk in the light and you will be fine.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Then why did Paul teach us to seek this gift!?
"Charismatics don't"
Good, I never claimed they did. Or even that I can say they do. I haven't spent time among them, much.

have you figured out how God speaks to you?
whether you are praying, reading the Word, driving down the highway, walking the dog, shopping, out and about and God speaks to you, do you know when/how He personally speaks to you and you know it is God and not your own self?

 

[apwall21]

When we yield our lives to Christ, we give Him full control. This is for all of us. He can use me however He wants and whenever He wants.
You are way overcomplicating things. Just walk in the light and you will be fine.

Paul speaks of the Gifts of the spirit in three letters, that I have found just searching today. Romans, 1 Corinthians, and Ephesians. In all of these, he implicates or expresses that there are specific Gifts (not to be confused with Fruits) of the Holy Spirit which the members of the Body are going to see. He expresses them differently in each, and perhaps this is why we don't have a good understanding of the distinction.
But he definitely makes the distinction.
If we are to see all of these gifts in each Believer, then it behooves us to teach each other how to identify and use the Prophecy we are given.
If we are to see these gifts in only certain people, then it behooves us to teach each other how to respect each gift, and for each "class" of believer to be educated in how to use their specific gift.

Otherwise, why bother telling us we have these Gifts at all?

"Just walk in the light..." And the Church of the West has near well given up The Gifts of the Spirit, going so far as to lose the Fruit of the Spirit, and it's causing God to grieve.
And that, my bottom feeder friend, is NOT a good place to be.

 

[oyster67]

i believe Prophecy works in many ways so some people don't connect the dots if it happens. some believe Prophecy is dead because they view it like the Old Testament and compare to the remaining Prophecies to be fulfilled. but i believe it's still active and it works in many ways. for example:

ever go to Church and see same people over and over and maybe you wave to them, shake hands, say small talk, but you don't ever get involved in who they are or how life is going for them. then one service you see them and all of a sudden you get this feeling and thought you should go to them and tell them [hey, everything is going to work out]. so you approach them, you say, i know we don't really know one another but from Church, but i feel God wants me to tell you [everything is going to work out]. next thing you know they are hugging and thanking you and telling [we really needed to hear that and do believe it is from God]. to me, you just Prophesied. so i believe the Gift of Prophecy is very much active and alive and well.

All you have to do is listen and be sensitive to the Holy Spirit. This is not some elusive gift that is only meant for a select few in a particular denomination.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

i know when God speaks to me because it deals with 2 things.

1. sins i need to repent of - the urge to read the Word of God - the urge to pray

2. the urge to give someone money + tell them this is from God and He loves you - the urge to give someone a compliment or tell them God loves them - the urge to share the Gospel of Christ - the urge to share your Testimony - the urge to call someone in need or someone who needs to hear your voice

God uses us for one on one missions and then we are faithful He will use us to speak to several people, and if we are faithful in that we will be speaking to multitudes.

number 2 are all Prophecies and planting Seed of God to others.

 

[oyster67]

Then why did Paul teach us to seek this gift!?

Paul was telling them that they were overemphasizing less important things, like speaking in tongues.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

All you have to do is listen and be sensitive to the Holy Spirit. This is not some elusive gift that is only meant for a select few in a particular denomination.

the Prophets were sensitive to the Spirit and God gave them messages to tell individuals like king of Tyre, or nations like Israel, or like Moses with Pharaoh. and then next we see them Prophesying about future events like Isaiah and the Middle East, Ezekiel and the the War of Ezekiel 37/38, Daniel and the End times. Prophesying can be for individuals, many people, the future. but you hit the nail on the head about being sensitive to the Spirit!

 

[apwall21]

i know when God speaks to me because it deals with 2 things.

1. sins i need to repent of - the urge to read the Word of God - the urge to pray

2. the urge to give someone money + tell them this is from God and He loves you - the urge to give someone a compliment or tell them God loves them - the urge to share the Gospel of Christ - the urge to share your Testimony - the urge to call someone in need or someone who needs to hear your voice

What Watchers just described in his #2 reads closer to what Ephesians 4:11 says is Evangelism, as I read it. The #1 is the moving of the Spirit to all to convict them of their own sin, and I will pray that stays with each of us.
In this following comment, Watchers describes the actual gift of Prophecy, which Paul also expresses.

the Prophets were sensitive to the Spirit and God gave them messages to tell individuals like king ... and then next we see them Prophesying about future events.. Prophesying can be for individuals, many people, the future.

 

[oyster67]

my bottom feeder friend

clever

I pray that you will be released from this frustration that stems from focusing on the gifts rather than the Giver.

 

[apwall21]

clever

I pray that you will be released from this frustration that stems from focusing on the gifts rather than the Giver.

I will take offense to this, but not great, because it is the Giver who is honored when we sharpen the tools for which he gave us to do combat for his cause. And because I think you're expressing what the Western Protestants have been teaching for so long, it seems right.
But it clearly isn't working anymore.
Maybe it's just me, but homosexual pastors, and churches celebrating not only Genital Mutilation, but Pedophiles??
No sir, whatever is named Church in The West needs to distinguish itself from this weak "moralism is Christianity," and "God loves everyone so just be happy," absolute deadly crud. Yes, following the Spirit yourself is key.

But what if you are being led to a Gift of the Spirit that is completely ignored in your neighborhood?
We accept Schools of Ministry, but Ministry is only One of the Gifts (maybe 2, if you count Pastor and Evangelist under that).

 

[oyster67]

we sharpen the tools

Perhaps you would fare better if you let Him sharpen your tool.

I will take offense to this, but not great, because it is the Giver who is honored when we sharpen the tools for which he gave us to do combat for his cause. And because I think you're expressing what the Western Protestants have been teaching for so long, it seems right.
But it clearly isn't working anymore.
Maybe it's just me, but homosexual pastors, and churches celebrating not only Genital Mutilation, but Pedophiles??
No sir, whatever is named Church in The West needs to distinguish itself from this weak "moralism is Christianity," and "God loves everyone so just be happy," absolute deadly crud. Yes, following the Spirit yourself is key.

But what if you are being led to a Gift of the Spirit that is completely ignored in your neighborhood?
We accept Schools of Ministry, but Ministry is only One of the Gifts (maybe 2, if you count Pastor and Evangelist under that).

What we see is a heart problem, not a gift problem. Please don't be offended by this.

 

[apwall21]

Perhaps you would fare better if you let Him sharpen your tool.

nope, gonna stay banging my dull head on everything, I guess

What we see is a heart problem, not a gift problem.

That's true. But that's the job of Prophecy as Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 14:24-25. It lays open the heart's secrets and the thoughts of men. Paul literally describes a sinner being so overwhelmed with holy-terror at his soul being laid bare by a prophesying church, that he throws himself to the ground in reverent worship of God.
How we gonna undo heart problems when we can't see them the way God told us we should?
"But if an unbeliever or uninstructed person comes in while everyone is prophesying, he will be convicted and called to account by all, 25and the secrets of his heart will be made known. So he will fall facedown and worship God, proclaiming, “God is truly among you!” "

 

[oyster67]

How we gonna undo heart problems when we can't see them the way God told us we should?

That is God's part. It is He who does the convicting. Our part is to simply trust and obey.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Prophesy is simply "the word of the Lord, or of God" .

God said I'll have the gift of prophecy and my carnal mind thought that meant being like Nostradamus.Little did I know that every time he spoke scripture he revealed prophecy.