How can skin bone muscle be or do ANYTHING on its own accord? Starts in the brain..and heart and by the fact of who "rules" those things OFTEN (not always) maifests in action whether good or bad.i know when the word "flesh" is used in the Bible it talks bout sinful human nature that we're all born into..
Where Does Sin Come From?
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Hormones, chemistry, reproductive system, survival instinct, aggresivity, testosteron = this is how "bone and muscle" cen do something on its own accord.
"Flesh" or "nature" are synonyms for how our body works. We have many animal instincts in us and these instincts struggle against spiritual principles. So we have "two laws" in us. Our animal body draws us to the ground, our spirit draws us to heavenly things. We will have this struggle until we die.
Evil persons (satan, people, media, music, movies, commercials, sinful culture) can attack our bodily functions to tempt us, indeed.
"Flesh" or "nature" are synonyms for how our body works. We have many animal instincts in us and these instincts struggle against spiritual principles. So we have "two laws" in us. Our animal body draws us to the ground, our spirit draws us to heavenly things. We will have this struggle until we die.
Evil persons (satan, people, media, music, movies, commercials, sinful culture) can attack our bodily functions to tempt us, indeed.
Lol..i think we have to agree to disagree on this one 
We must beat our bodies, we must crucify our bodies with their desires. Its a biblical struggle, we should not disagree about it.
"Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." Gal 5:24
Notice that we crucify our flesh, not satan. And the New Testament is full of verses like this, its very difficult to avoid them.
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Ephesians 6:12-13 King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
King James Version (KJV)
Ephesians 6:12-13 King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
King James Version (KJV)
God says he created the light and the darkness.Sin comes from disobedience from what God wants from us.I'm still a baby Christian.I just want to keep it as simple as possible.
We are given free will to be for God.God is love.
The purpose of life is love.How can sin relate to that?
James 1:13-15
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
We are given free will to be for God.God is love.
The purpose of life is love.How can sin relate to that?
James 1:13-15
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Paul discussing the law of sin he and we all struggle with. I like NIV for simple reading and AMPC for deeper study. AMPC gives all of the different meanings of the original language words.
Romans 7 NIV
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Romans 7 AMPC
14 We know that the Law is spiritual; but I am a creature of the flesh [carnal, unspiritual], having been sold into slavery under [the control of] sin.
15 For I do not understand my own actions [I am baffled, bewildered]. I do not practice or accomplish what I wish, but I do the very thing that I loathe [which my moral instinct condemns].
16 Now if I do [habitually] what is contrary to my desire, [that means that] I acknowledge and agree that the Law is good (morally excellent) and that I take sides with it.
17 However, it is no longer I who do the deed, but the sin [principle] which is at home in me and has possession of me.
18 For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot perform it. [I have the intention and urge to do what is right, but no power to carry it out.]
19 For I fail to practice the good deeds I desire to do, but the evil deeds that I do not desire to do are what I am [ever] doing.
20 Now if I do what I do not desire to do, it is no longer I doing it [it is not myself that acts], but the sin [principle] which dwells within me fixed and operating in my soul].
21 So I find it to be a law (rule of action of my being) that when I want to do what is right and good, evil is ever present with me and I am subject to its insistent demands.
22 For I endorse and delight in the Law of God in my inmost self [with my new nature].
23 But I discern in my bodily members [in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh] a different law (rule of action) at war against the law of my mind (my reason) and making me a prisoner to the law of sin that dwells in my bodily organs in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh].
24 O unhappy and pitiable and wretched man that I am! Who will release and deliver me from [the shackles of] this body of death?
25 O thank God! [He will!] through Jesus Christ (the Anointed One) our Lord! So then indeed I, of myself with the mind and heart, serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 7 NIV
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Romans 7 AMPC
14 We know that the Law is spiritual; but I am a creature of the flesh [carnal, unspiritual], having been sold into slavery under [the control of] sin.
15 For I do not understand my own actions [I am baffled, bewildered]. I do not practice or accomplish what I wish, but I do the very thing that I loathe [which my moral instinct condemns].
16 Now if I do [habitually] what is contrary to my desire, [that means that] I acknowledge and agree that the Law is good (morally excellent) and that I take sides with it.
17 However, it is no longer I who do the deed, but the sin [principle] which is at home in me and has possession of me.
18 For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot perform it. [I have the intention and urge to do what is right, but no power to carry it out.]
19 For I fail to practice the good deeds I desire to do, but the evil deeds that I do not desire to do are what I am [ever] doing.
20 Now if I do what I do not desire to do, it is no longer I doing it [it is not myself that acts], but the sin [principle] which dwells within me fixed and operating in my soul].
21 So I find it to be a law (rule of action of my being) that when I want to do what is right and good, evil is ever present with me and I am subject to its insistent demands.
22 For I endorse and delight in the Law of God in my inmost self [with my new nature].
23 But I discern in my bodily members [in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh] a different law (rule of action) at war against the law of my mind (my reason) and making me a prisoner to the law of sin that dwells in my bodily organs in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh].
24 O unhappy and pitiable and wretched man that I am! Who will release and deliver me from [the shackles of] this body of death?
25 O thank God! [He will!] through Jesus Christ (the Anointed One) our Lord! So then indeed I, of myself with the mind and heart, serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
When God does something, He does it right the 1st time. A simple question 1st. Did God created a sinner or 2 sinners? No no no. He created a perfect sinless man that became corrupted. So did God created Satan, No no no. He created a perfect sinless cherub that became corrupted. All these happened to free will of choice. So next question is, did God really created a heavens and a earth that was a chaotic formless mess? I dodn't think so. The chaotic formless heavens and the earth mess is rather a result of a coruptable incident.
Now notice, when Adam and Eve opened their eyes in the Garden, they were not alone, there was somebody else also there with them which they ofcoz could not see. They met him as the serpent, that dragon, as Satan the devil, and not as Lucifer the sinless morning star worshiping and praising the Most High.
So, that means that there is a history concerning this Lucifer how he became the fallen angel, Satan.
Now that information doesn't concern us. The Bible is written specifically for mankind and not for angles.
But God didn't leave us in the dark as concerning what happened there. He gives us some clues as to what happened. Not much but enough to get the picture around things.
We find it recorded in Isa14:12-15, and Eze.2828:12-17 Now this may come as a shock to some, but Lucifer was not in heaven (and why Satan is so pissed off at mankind is that we are a replacement of him and his fallen angels)
1st The Lord tells Ezekiel to take up a lamentation about the king of Tyrus. But we can clearly see that these things is about someone else, ex.
a) the king of Tyrus was never in Eden
b) the king of Tyrus was a human being not a cherub and that a covering one also like those on the Mercy Seat.
c) He never walked amongst stones of fire, (in fact the Garden of Eden never had such splendor in Adam's time...
d) The king of Tyrus was never created, he was born
Now some may think that this Garden of Eden was in Heaven or is Heaven but I don't think so.
This Eden describes here was on earth long b4 man was created and this Eden belongs to the period of Angelic reign which is between Gn.1 vere 1 & 2 which is not part of human reign. Amongst the Angelic Host, there are Thrones, Dominions, Poweres, Rulers etc, and Lucifer was a ruler set here on earth with angels under him which is probably 1/3. The Bible describes Michael the warlord as one of the chief princes, 1st in rank amongst the cherubim. He's got his angels under him and he's the guardian of the nation of Israel.
Now have you notice that every time a war is described, its always Michael that wars against the devil and defeats him. Why not the Holy One, coz Satan was and is and neverwill be a match for Him. Anyway...
While being on earth in the Garden of Eden, he began to to get these funny ideas to be like the Most High, to exalt himself above other angelic ranks that's higher than him. Isaiah 14:12 to... just blends in with Ezekiel's 28:12 to...
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Verse 12 clearly says that Lucifer has fallen from heaven right, so how can I say that he was in the Garden of Eden on earth.
Now look at verse 13, a lot of "I will's" now appear. "I will ascend into heaven". How can he ascend into heaven if he's already there?
Simple, he was on earth, got these ideas and then ascended into heaven but never reached the Most High Heaven, the abode of God, coz Michael met him on his way and blocked him and cast him down.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee
Iniquity was discovered in him while he was yet on earth. Satan never came upon the Most High like a thief in the night, and heaven was shocked, "O, we under attack and suffered loss". God knows the hearts of everyone and He knows the future also.
We shouldn't overlook the "I will". He wasn't there. Ofcoz there are Scriptures of Satan in the presence of the Most High, ex when Joshua the high priest stood b4 the angel of the Lord and in the case of Job.
It is a paradox how we can come into the very presence of the Most High and yet Scripture can say that no man has ascended up into heaven. Satan can appear b4 the Most High without being in the Most High Heaven. If Satan and the demons is defiling the heavenly Sanctuary, then that Sanctuary is imperfect and needs to be cleansed, and the Most High Heaven is filled with imperfection.
[Sin is wrong and wrong is the opposite of right] So sin came with the Law.
Sin is disobeying God's commands, God's voice.
We were not made Zombies,programmed, we are free willed creatures with choice and so is the angelic host that's why by their own choice 1/3 chose to disobey the Most High.
Now have you noticed that nowhere does the Scriptures speaks of the holy angels possessing the bodies of humans, but rather demos does. As punishment of Satan and his demons, they were stripped, undressed of their glorious bodies and became naked spirits always on the lookout for a body. So in the Garden at Adam's time, there were no man yet who he/they could possess but that was his aim to bring man to a fall, possess man and by that means make an illegal entry into our world. He couldn't do what the Son of God did, make a legal entry via a woman into our world.
An interesting thing. Satan is not the inventor of evil. We might think that Satan is the lowest level in life but he's not.
Sin is. Remember that sin made him into what he is today and not Satan made sin into what it is today.
Did you know according to Jesus's words 'Whatsoever man is overcome by, sin, you are the slave of it" and by the same you are brought into bandage. Poor old Satan has been overcame by sin and is a slave of sin and that's why he can't stop sinning. Scripture says, "The reward of sin", not "The reward of Satan" is death. Satan gets paid out in full BY sin with the same reward as man.It is NOT Satan that rewards man with death, it is sin, and sin rewards him too.
Guess what, when the Son of The Most High was made sin, He Who was the Highest became the Lowest in the level of life. There is nothing lower than sin.
Now notice, when Adam and Eve opened their eyes in the Garden, they were not alone, there was somebody else also there with them which they ofcoz could not see. They met him as the serpent, that dragon, as Satan the devil, and not as Lucifer the sinless morning star worshiping and praising the Most High.
So, that means that there is a history concerning this Lucifer how he became the fallen angel, Satan.
Now that information doesn't concern us. The Bible is written specifically for mankind and not for angles.
But God didn't leave us in the dark as concerning what happened there. He gives us some clues as to what happened. Not much but enough to get the picture around things.
We find it recorded in Isa14:12-15, and Eze.2828:12-17 Now this may come as a shock to some, but Lucifer was not in heaven (and why Satan is so pissed off at mankind is that we are a replacement of him and his fallen angels)
1st The Lord tells Ezekiel to take up a lamentation about the king of Tyrus. But we can clearly see that these things is about someone else, ex.
a) the king of Tyrus was never in Eden
b) the king of Tyrus was a human being not a cherub and that a covering one also like those on the Mercy Seat.
c) He never walked amongst stones of fire, (in fact the Garden of Eden never had such splendor in Adam's time...
d) The king of Tyrus was never created, he was born
Now some may think that this Garden of Eden was in Heaven or is Heaven but I don't think so.
This Eden describes here was on earth long b4 man was created and this Eden belongs to the period of Angelic reign which is between Gn.1 vere 1 & 2 which is not part of human reign. Amongst the Angelic Host, there are Thrones, Dominions, Poweres, Rulers etc, and Lucifer was a ruler set here on earth with angels under him which is probably 1/3. The Bible describes Michael the warlord as one of the chief princes, 1st in rank amongst the cherubim. He's got his angels under him and he's the guardian of the nation of Israel.
Now have you notice that every time a war is described, its always Michael that wars against the devil and defeats him. Why not the Holy One, coz Satan was and is and neverwill be a match for Him. Anyway...
While being on earth in the Garden of Eden, he began to to get these funny ideas to be like the Most High, to exalt himself above other angelic ranks that's higher than him. Isaiah 14:12 to... just blends in with Ezekiel's 28:12 to...
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Verse 12 clearly says that Lucifer has fallen from heaven right, so how can I say that he was in the Garden of Eden on earth.
Now look at verse 13, a lot of "I will's" now appear. "I will ascend into heaven". How can he ascend into heaven if he's already there?
Simple, he was on earth, got these ideas and then ascended into heaven but never reached the Most High Heaven, the abode of God, coz Michael met him on his way and blocked him and cast him down.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee
Iniquity was discovered in him while he was yet on earth. Satan never came upon the Most High like a thief in the night, and heaven was shocked, "O, we under attack and suffered loss". God knows the hearts of everyone and He knows the future also.
We shouldn't overlook the "I will". He wasn't there. Ofcoz there are Scriptures of Satan in the presence of the Most High, ex when Joshua the high priest stood b4 the angel of the Lord and in the case of Job.
It is a paradox how we can come into the very presence of the Most High and yet Scripture can say that no man has ascended up into heaven. Satan can appear b4 the Most High without being in the Most High Heaven. If Satan and the demons is defiling the heavenly Sanctuary, then that Sanctuary is imperfect and needs to be cleansed, and the Most High Heaven is filled with imperfection.
[Sin is wrong and wrong is the opposite of right] So sin came with the Law.
Sin is disobeying God's commands, God's voice.
We were not made Zombies,programmed, we are free willed creatures with choice and so is the angelic host that's why by their own choice 1/3 chose to disobey the Most High.
Now have you noticed that nowhere does the Scriptures speaks of the holy angels possessing the bodies of humans, but rather demos does. As punishment of Satan and his demons, they were stripped, undressed of their glorious bodies and became naked spirits always on the lookout for a body. So in the Garden at Adam's time, there were no man yet who he/they could possess but that was his aim to bring man to a fall, possess man and by that means make an illegal entry into our world. He couldn't do what the Son of God did, make a legal entry via a woman into our world.
An interesting thing. Satan is not the inventor of evil. We might think that Satan is the lowest level in life but he's not.
Sin is. Remember that sin made him into what he is today and not Satan made sin into what it is today.
Did you know according to Jesus's words 'Whatsoever man is overcome by, sin, you are the slave of it" and by the same you are brought into bandage. Poor old Satan has been overcame by sin and is a slave of sin and that's why he can't stop sinning. Scripture says, "The reward of sin", not "The reward of Satan" is death. Satan gets paid out in full BY sin with the same reward as man.It is NOT Satan that rewards man with death, it is sin, and sin rewards him too.
Guess what, when the Son of The Most High was made sin, He Who was the Highest became the Lowest in the level of life. There is nothing lower than sin.
When we connect Adam with sin, then we speaks of the Adamic earth and the Adamic Eden which belongs to the creation of the earth from verse 2 onwards which is rather a restoration than a craetion ex nehillo which belongs to verse 1. So When Adam met the serpent, he Satan was already a sinner but this belongs to a world prior to the Adamic earth or era. Though Satan was a sinner and was found in the Adam's Garden of Eden, sin was not in Adam's world yet and could ONLY be brought into this world through a human being in which Satan succeeded to get right. The very moment that the Law was set in place, given, sin was there but not yet discovered. Ezekiel speaks of, "Thou was perfect until iniquity was discovered in thee", and so also was Adam perfect until iniquity was discovered in him. So yea I would say that sin comes with the Law and is even b4 Satan and Adam but wasn't discovered yet at some point
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What convoluted logic. You need a refresher in creating logical arguments.
Adam and Eve were sinless in the begining. God gave them a very specific command not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good food and evil. Satan tempted her saying it would make her like God. Eve, most likely with Adam picked the fruit and ate it. Then gave him fruit. She sinned then Adam sinned. Very likely he was with her and didn't stop her. Thus both went from sinless to sinners.
Adam and Eve were sinless in the begining. God gave them a very specific command not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good food and evil. Satan tempted her saying it would make her like God. Eve, most likely with Adam picked the fruit and ate it. Then gave him fruit. She sinned then Adam sinned. Very likely he was with her and didn't stop her. Thus both went from sinless to sinners.
If God didn't want man to sin at all he would not have given him a soul.
He knew they would sin. He know the ending as well as the beginning. I was all thought out in his mind before he started creation. There is something to come of this life. God will have children with a disciplined soul, if you can understand that. If you can't I can break it down.
He knew they would sin. He know the ending as well as the beginning. I was all thought out in his mind before he started creation. There is something to come of this life. God will have children with a disciplined soul, if you can understand that. If you can't I can break it down.