Where does the Bible say Satan or demons put thoughts in your mind?

[Pilgrimshope]

I am not being contentious - but how do you explain why two people who are both born again and seemingly writing in the same language cannot communicate a shred of sense? The only thing in what you have written that is not easily understandable is how that is possible when you finish by telling me to make sense. I have seen this way of writing by brethren in the US numerous times - and so whilst it is a simple thing to ignore it - I genuinely would like to understand how it happens.

I try ink like I said to begin with you speak on a very intellectual way most likely it comes from your studies of the occult you’ve taken in different knowledge than I have snd express thoughts differently than I do or that I’m familiar with in my little world.

probably just The fact that people have different ways of speaking and communicating I reckon.

Peter says the same thkngs Paul does but they say it in different ways John says the same things but in another different way James has his own way but the message remains the same

but bottom line is I read your posts a couple times found some good biblical knowledge in them but even now I couldn’t really say what you were saying is my point lol it’s simple “ I don’t understand what you are getting at in your posts because I don’t understand how your communicating your points

you could be revealing some amazing facts but honestly and truly it must have went over my head because I couldnt tell you or anyone else what your point is

it’s not an insult to you im just being honest it went over my head and I responded before to what I thought you were saying but then I must not have understood it given your later replies

seems like a waste of time at this point to continue , but I hope to find some other subject where it makes sense d we can engage better

anyway , again. Ot intended to insult you just straight forward and honest I don’t really Know what your point has been

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So lets take this a different way. You are asking me if your explanation (above) makes sense? So I can choose to see it a different way. Right? Do I really have that choice? I certainly do - but when I express what you have said in two different way (as now in this post and previously in post #55) begs a question. Am I acting wilfully - contentiously - falsely - or am I lacking in ordinary intelligence? Perhaps it could be a cultural fact of language that directs me as a British English speaker to misunderstand your expressions or it may be that I don't have too much affection for the US. Or perhaps even an arrogance or it could be malice. How will you know what it is?

Yet your entire explanation to everything I have written is that you cannot understand a word of it. Yet all I actually said to you which you resisted completely was that Adam was not deceived.



And here in this element of the long post you made to express many truths - yet you assert the same claim once again. The bible doesn't tell us that Adam looked at anything - yet you express yourself grammatically in a manner that asserts that he did when you explain "you can literally watch thier mind change from what she told him that God said , to what she now perceived that he said"

Out of that grammatical dial (direction) it stands that Adam was deceived. If you are implying that Adam had his mind changed to believe a lie - then you are implying that he was deceived. And so if we imply things of Adam that the bible doesn't say of him - but expressly tells us the complete opposite thing - then we are missing the reason why he did sin when he listened to his wife after she was already deceived and in sin and death. He wasn't deceived was he? If he were deceived and if his mind had already laid hold of the lie that they would not die - and this effect began to produce an effect that had both of them looking at the fruit and discerning that it was good for food and good to make them wise - then Adam was in the precise same place as his wife was in and so she didn't need to say anything to him at all. He would have simply eaten as well. Neither are we told what Adam's wife said to him after she had eden. But we do know she said something because that is what Adam told God.

It is important that believers really understand what deception is - because it is often not nearly as easy to understand as we believe it to be. Adam and his wife were innocent when this happened. You rightly point to the Scripture that God made the man - male and female - but that does not mean that Adam - the male - was deceived - it means that the woman - taken from the man - was deceived and she knew it because that is what she told God.

This OP is expressly about whether or not Satan speaks into the minds of men and women to deceive them. Well he does - but the means to do that is expressed from Genesis chapter two through to Genesis chapter six and the flood and it incorporates men, and women and angels. But in Genesis in the account of the fall of man - it didn't happen in Adam the male.

You asked me in another post if Eve had somehow deceived Adam - or more accurately you were asking if I thought that Eve had deceived Adam. The answer is that Adam acted in pure self interest - and in truth his sin was vastly greater than his wife's sin because it was predicated on a pure act of having regard for his wife. Whereas the woman sinned at a disadvantage because she was deceived. When Adam sinned he was still innocent - his wife was already in sin.

I won't post to anymore of your comments. I am sorry that I have bothered you with my words.

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

“You are asking me if your explanation (above) makes sense?”

I was asking if it made sense that I don’t understand your point or how you are communicating it and asking if that made sense to you as to why I was sort of done with this a few posts ago when I realized I must not be getting what your saying …..

does it make sense to let it go given that I’ve been pretty clear I don’t understand what you are saying ??? Does that make sense ?

 

[Rhomphaeam]

“You are asking me if your explanation (above) makes sense?”

I was asking if it made sense that I don’t understand your point or how you are communicating it and asking if that made sense to you as to why I was sort of done with this a few posts ago when I realized I must not be getting what your saying …..

does it make sense to let it go given that I’ve been pretty clear I don’t understand what you are saying ??? Does that make sense ?

Just to be polite to your does that make sense question (above).

I posted two diametrically and mutually exclusive claims to your single post. Your single post was found in @#54 and whilst I quoted the entirety of that post on both occasions @#55 and then @#58 I highlighted just two [of your] words to speak about. The two words were:

Make sense?

In the first post @#55 I said to you "you finish by telling me to make sense." Well you didn't tell me to make sense - you were asking me if you were making any sense in your explanation @#54. Then in my #58 post I stated the complete opposite meaning to my #55 meaning. So I explained myself by saying:

So lets take this a different way. You are asking me if your explanation (above) makes sense? So I can choose to see it a different way. Right? Do I really have that choice? I certainly do - but when I express what you have said in two different way (as now in this post and previously in post #55) begs a question. Am I acting wilfully - contentiously - falsely - or am I lacking in ordinary intelligence? Perhaps it could be a cultural fact of language that directs me as a British English speaker to misunderstand your expressions or it may be that I don't have too much affection for the US. Or perhaps even an arrogance or it could be malice. How will you know what it is?

What a to-do!

 

[TheLearner]

1Chronicles 21:1 Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.

1 Chronicles 21

Easy-to-Read Version



David Sins by Counting Israel
21 Satan[a] was against the Israelites. He encouraged David to count the Israelites. 2 So David said to Joab and the leaders of the people, “Go and count all the Israelites. Count everyone in the country—from the town of Beersheba all the way to the town of Dan. Then tell me, so I will know how many people there are.”
3 But Joab answered, “May the Lord make his nation 100 times as large! Sir, all the Israelites are your servants. Why do you want to do this thing, my lord and king? You will make all the Israelites guilty of sin!”

The text does not say how Satan encouraged David. It was more likely Satan or a demon took on human form to speak to David.

 

[TheLearner]

Its not impossible to think satan put thoughts in people's head. Scripture says he is going about as a lion looking for someone to devour.

Of course if we saw a lion coming at us we would all run. And Im not thinking anyone would talk with a snake as how he talked with Eve. And being that he is so cunning and deceptive, when he speaks to us in our thoughts we may not realise.

We are warned to test the spirits because not every spirit is from God. And they are teaching doctrins of demons. Satan is definately influencing such people.

During the 2021 US election the "prophets" came out to say God told them who would win the election, but as it turned out it was not God who spoke to them or put such thoughts into their heads.

The way the lion thing works is, it hides in the brush roars, whatever he scared runs the opposite way into a pack of hunters. The Lion itself is usually old, weak and may be toothless --- I threw in the toothless for the fun of image.

 

[TheLearner]

Doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1), demonic wisdom (Jam 3:15), and Satan's deception (Rev 12:9).

None of those proves your claim friend. There is an external source in each text.

 

[TheLearner]

Just to be polite to your does that make sense question (above).

I posted two diametrically and mutually exclusive claims to your single post. Your single post was found in @#54 and whilst I quoted the entirety of that post on both occasions @#55 and then @#58 I highlighted just two [of your] words to speak about. The two words were:

Make sense?

In the first post @#55 I said to you "you finish by telling me to make sense." Well you didn't tell me to make sense - you were asking me if you were making any sense in your explanation @#54. Then in my #58 post I stated the complete opposite meaning to my #55 meaning. So I explained myself by saying:



What a to-do!

What exactly is not making sense to him?

Usually with my students, I had to break it down into simple points, sentences.

How to use a pop machine.
0. Make sure the machine is on.
1. Make sure you have enough money.
2. put the money in.
3. push the button for the one you want.
4. collect your change.
5. take out your pop from the bottom.
6. Shake the pop with your back to the table.
7. Open it at the table while standing to get a wide range.
8. aim at your main target
9. pull the tab
10. move it around to get the most people.
11. Run
12. Act like you were the victim
13. Point to your main target as the sprayer.
14. Make sure you toss the pop to the target.

 

[GiveThanks]

The text does not say how Satan encouraged David. It was more likely Satan or a demon took on human form to speak to David.

Satan put thoughts in our head through people as well, yes.

Thats why we are encouraged to take every thought captive.

2Cor 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ

 

[Rhomphaeam]

What exactly is not making sense to him?

Usually with my students, I had to break it down into simple points, sentences.

How to use a pop machine.
0. Make sure the machine is on.
1. Make sure you have enough money.
2. put the money in.
3. push the button for the one you want.
4. collect your change.
5. take out your pop from the bottom.
6. Shake the pop with your back to the table.
7. Open it at the table while standing to get a wide range.
8. aim at your main target
9. pull the tab
10. move it around to get the most people.
11. Run
12. Act like you were the victim
13. Point to your main target as the sprayer.
14. Make sure you toss the pop to the target.

I think you may have missed a calling to be an Antifa recruitment officer. Just don't call them officer! Right?

 

[Diakonos]

None of those proves your claim friend. There is an external source in each text.

To preface, I don't believe they put thoughts in the mind. I believe they put thought in the spirit.

Let's consider the concept of doctrines of demons (1 Time 4:1) as an example. A doctrine is a teaching/instruction.
In the category of "doctrines of demons", each doctrine, at some point, has its origin in a demon and finds its way to the spirit of a man. If a person listens to the deception of a demon, the Word of God can destroy that stronghold (Heb 4:12-13, 2 Cor 10:4-5).

If you disagree with the process of how a doctrine is transferred from a demon to a person, please explain how you think it happens.

 

[soberxp]

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/tongues.145129/page-50#post-4739276

Where does the Bible say Satan or demons put thoughts in your mind?

Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered into the heart of Judas Iscariot, who was one of the twelve,

 

[Blade]

And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”

 

[TheLearner]

To preface, I don't believe they put thoughts in the mind. I believe they put thought in the spirit.

Let's consider the concept of doctrines of demons (1 Time 4:1) as an example. A doctrine is a teaching/instruction.
In the category of "doctrines of demons", each doctrine, at some point, has its origin in a demon and finds its way to the spirit of a man. If a person listens to the deception of a demon, the Word of God can destroy that stronghold (Heb 4:12-13, 2 Cor 10:4-5).

If you disagree with the process of how a doctrine is transferred from a demon to a person, please explain how you think it happens.

thanks for clarification friend.

 

[TheLearner]

Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered into the heart of Judas Iscariot, who was one of the twelve,

Was Judas then possessed?

English Standard Version
Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot, who was of the number of the twelve.

International Standard Version
But Satan went into Judas called Iscariot, who belonged to the circle of the Twelve.

Young's Literal Translation
And the Adversary entered into Judas, who is surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve,

 

[TheLearner]

thanks all

 

[soberxp]

Was Judas then possessed?

English Standard Version
Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot, who was of the number of the twelve.

International Standard Version
But Satan went into Judas called Iscariot, who belonged to the circle of the Twelve.

Young's Literal Translation
And the Adversary entered into Judas, who is surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve,

I'm not sure how Satan did it, but Satan has a certain ability and may be able to see through the weakness of the people's heart， as seducing Eve.