Where does the justification for The New Testament doers of the law in Romans 2:13 originate from?

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Who are The New Testament doers of the law in Romans 2:13 who shall be justified?
we have not the law, we do by the new nature God has created in us. we do by the grace of God over and above what the law commands ... for those in Christ the law is a bolished
 

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it is nevertheless also true that only the doers of God's instructions will be justified.
Therefore, since Christ is the only one who completely, without sin, obeyed the law, Christ is the Just one. Through the faith of Christ the believer is justified without works. Read again...for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 

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God's law is God's word and Jesus is God's word made flesh, so it is contradictory to think that we are justified by faith in God's word made flesh, but not in God's word. God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust God is by obediently trusting His instructions and it is contradictory for someone to think that we should trust God, but not His instructions. While Jesus was the only one who lived in sinless obedience to God's law, he was far from the only doer of it. There are many examples of people who were doers of the law, such as those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. While we do not earn our justification as the result of having first obeyed God's instructions, it is nevertheless also true that only the doers of God's instructions will be justified.
God has abolished the law as a means of attaining righteousness ... if you are trying to re establish the law you are in rebellion against God's word.
 
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God has abolished the law as a means of attaining righteousness ... if you are trying to re establish the law you are in rebellion against God's word.
Romans 2:11-15
11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For whosoever have sinned without the law, shall perish without the law; and whosoever have sinned in the law, shall be judged by the law. 13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves: 15 Who shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them, and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another,
 
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God has abolished the law as a means of attaining righteousness ... if you are trying to re establish the law you are in rebellion against God's word.
God's law was never given as a means of attaining righteousness in the first place, so it can't be abolished as a means of doing that. In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the law and warned against relaxing the least part of it or teaching others to do the same, and in Romans 3:31, Paul confirms that our faith does not abolish the law, but rather our faith upholds it. All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so none of them will ever be abolished. Furthermore, instructions for how to act in accordance with God's nature can't be abolished without first abolishing God. God's law is God's word, so it is contradictory for you to claim that establishing God's law is rebelling against God's word.
 

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the Gentiles have not the law
Jews were responsible for copying, maintaining, and teaching from Torah scrolls, which Gentiles did not have, so if a Gentile wanted access to a Torah scroll, then they needed to go through a Jew to do it. However, if you own a copy of the Bible, then you do have the law, you can see what God has revealed to be holy, righteous, and good, or to be sin, and you can decide whether to repent and obey in accordance with believing the Gospel or whether to do what is right in your own eyes.
 

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Jews were responsible for copying, maintaining, and teaching from Torah scrolls, which Gentiles did not have, so if a Gentile wanted access to a Torah scroll, then they needed to go through a Jew to do it. However, if you own a copy of the Bible, then you do have the law, you can see what God has revealed to be holy, righteous, and good, or to be sin, and you can decide whether to repent and obey in accordance with believing the Gospel or whether to do what is right in your own eyes.
I read in the Prophets God would abolish the law of Moses and make a new covenant. Why are you trying to re-establish the law God abolished. You are a rebel.
 

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I am sure that I was responding to someone else, not you.
Indeed, you were responding to someone else, but you made a statement that you falsely attributed to God, so I objected.

I'm under the law myself, but it is not the 613 rules given to the people of Israel. I am under the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. He sets me free from the law of sin and death. The letter kills, the Spirit gives life.
In Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contacted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus with the law of sin and death, so he equated the Law of God with the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus and the Law of Moses is referred to as the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23. Christ walked in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so this is also why those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow, so the Law of the Spirit is the same as the Law of Christ and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses.

In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God. In John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, and in Psalms 119:142, the Mosaic Law is truth. In John 16:8, the Spirit has the role of convicting us of sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of sin. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Mosaic Law. In Galatians 5:19-23, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it. In Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to the Mosaic Laws and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and do not obey the Mosaic Law. After all, the Spirit is God and the Mosaic Law was given by God.
 

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And The Lord Jesus Christ is the only person who has ever done it. Not a soul in the past did it. Nor will anyone in the present or future do it.
I disagree that no person in the future will be able to follow the law. With God anything is possible.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
 

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God's law was never given as a means of attaining righteousness in the first place, so it can't be abolished as a means of doing that. In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the law and warned against relaxing the least part of it or teaching others to do the same, and in Romans 3:31, Paul confirms that our faith does not abolish the law, but rather our faith upholds it. All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so none of them will ever be abolished. Furthermore, instructions for how to act in accordance with God's nature can't be abolished without first abolishing God. God's law is God's word, so it is contradictory for you to claim that establishing God's law is rebelling against God's word.
the law of Moses was/is not eternal. Abraham was not under the law of Moses. Jesus came to fulfil the law.

The law is fulfilled. The fulfilment of the law is death, the soul that sinneth it shall die. So Jesus died thus fulfilling the law.

The law has lost it's jurisdiction over those who believe in Christ.
 

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God's law was never given as a means of attaining righteousness in the first place, so it can't be abolished as a means of doing that. In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the law and warned against relaxing the least part of it or teaching others to do the same, and in Romans 3:31, Paul confirms that our faith does not abolish the law, but rather our faith upholds it. All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so none of them will ever be abolished. Furthermore, instructions for how to act in accordance with God's nature can't be abolished without first abolishing God. God's law is God's word, so it is contradictory for you to claim that establishing God's law is rebelling against God's word.
If God tells you to play funerals you play funerals, if He tell you to play weddings you play weddings.
If you play funerals when God says play weddings you are a rebel.
 

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Who are The New Testament doers of the law in Romans 2:13 who shall be justified?
They are those that have the Spirit of Christ and follow God's laws as the Spirit leads them.
 

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Keep telling yourself that. New wine, old wineskin.
Read Hebrews...Christ is greater than Moses.
What does it mean to put new wine in to an old skin? I submit it means as Paul said, Our current corruptible bodies cannot truly accept the Spirit of God the way intended until we have new Spirit Bodies as Christ does.

1 Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
 

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I disagree that no person in the future will be able to follow the law. With God anything is possible.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
The context to that reply was "perfectly." No one can, or will ever follow the law perfectly.
 

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The context to that reply was "perfectly." No one can, or will ever follow the law perfectly.
Why do you think they cannot perfectly keep the law if they truly have the Holy Spirit in them and they have a new Spirit Body?