Where in scripture are instructions to cancel the feasts?

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i think it should be given away. things sold are not art, but merchandise.

free desktop a couple posts up
oh please

yeah

and people ask me what kind of camera I use because they think they can do the same

can you do the same?

didn't think so

that's a blurry desktop even taking into account the DOF factor

clean your lens...I put extra glass in front of mine so I keep them in prime condition

your turn

oh wait...do you shoot RAW? if not...amateur!
 
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sorry Whispered

seems you wanted to get serious again

sorry

gotta go make supper for the natives anyway

sorry
 
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wait! the proverbial one more thing:

SENATE REJECTS MOTION TO CALL WITNESSES

YES! YES! YES!
 

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Yeshua in the Biblical Feasts!



Many Christians insist that God is no longer holding us to keep His seventh-day Sabbath and the Biblical feasts. That's because they don't realize that He set specific times for everything, including the fact that we are to celebrate Him through these various feasts. The Seventh Day Sabbath and the Feasts are our regular "dates" with God, yet, many feel they have to do nothing more than to "believe in Jesus"....


Our Creator's eternal plan is perfectly revealed through His Seven Feasts/Appointed Times. This is evident throughout the Tanach ("Old Testament"), and specifically outlined in Leviticus 23 which describes the whole annual cycle of special convocations; each of which was created for a reason, and each of which foreshadows Messiah Yeshua - who has so far fulfilled the first four of the seven! YHWH (Yud-Hey-Vav-Hey, or "Yahweh" - most likely pronounced, "Yahway") designed these appointed times, the mo'edim, for His people to come together to worship Him. ("His people" includes anyone who believes in YHWH and His Divine Messiah, Yeshua (whom Christians call Jesus).


Let's examine these special convocations: There are seven feasts commanded by YHWH to be celebrated each year (and these pertain to ALL believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob):


Quick Overview

Feast Date Meaning Status 1. Passover/Pesach March/April Redemption/Sacrifice/Death of Messiah Fulfilled 2. Unleavened Bread March/April Santification/Burial of Messiah/No decay Fulfilled 3. Firstfruits/Grain Harvest March/April Represents the Savior as first of the harvest Fulfilled 4. Weeks/Shavuot May/June Pentecost/Holy Spirit sent by YHWH Fulfilled 5. Yom Teruah (Trumpets)/Rosh Hashana September/October Believers' New Year/Messiah returns to Israel ("Rapture") Future 6. Day of Atonement/Yom Kippur September/October Day of Atonement/Messiah saves Israel Future 7. Tabernacles/Sukkot September/October Wedding Feast/Golden Age/Messiah starts Millennium Future

Indepth Explanation

  • Passover (Pesach): Passover (Nisan 14) falls in the March/April time frame on the Gregorian calendar. Leviticus 23:5 tells us: "'In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, between sundown and complete darkness, comes Pesach for ADONAI." This feast celebrates the deliverance of the Hebrew slaves from Egypt; a tale of redemption through the killing of the Passover Lamb whose blood was to be applied to the doorposts of their houses - an act which would spare their firstborn from the Tenth Curse against Pharoah. YHWH promised that the Angel of Death would "pass over" those houses with the blood on the doorposts, and spare the first born (Exodus 12:1-13). Foreshadowed Yeshua, who fulfilled Passover when he was crucified and willingly allowed His own blood to be shed on our behalf in order to become our redemption.
  • Unleavened Bread (Hag HaMatzot): Celebrated on Nisan 15, it marks the beginning of a seven day period during which the eating of leavened Bread is forbidden as leaven is a symbol of sin (I Cor. 5:6-8). Messiah Yeshua fulfilled this Feast when he was buried and became our righteousness. (Exodus 12, Deuteronomy 16:1-8, Leviticus 23:4-8, Numbers 28:16-25, Romans 6:4, II Cor. 5:21)
  • Firstfruits (Yom HaBikkurim): Fulfilled when Yeshua, the Firstruits of Creation, rose from the dead to be presented to YHWH as the first of the harvest (I Corinthians 15:20-23). FirstFruits is celebrated on Nisan 16 (Leviticus 23:11), and falls during the March/April timeframe. This Feast celebrates the bringing of the firstfruits of the winter harvest to the Temple - indicating there would be more to come. Please note, the first three Feasts were fulfilled through the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Yeshua haMashiyach! Though Yeshua did not rise on Firstfruits, He is still our firstfruits, because Firstfruits don't "rise" - they are "presented" - and Yeshua was presented after 3 days/3 nights. (See Leviticus 23:9-14, Numbers 28:26-31, and 1 Corinthians 15:20.)
  • Feast of Weeks (Shavuot): Known by Christians as "Pentecost" the Feast of Weeks/Shavuot is celebrated during the May/June timeframe. Exodus 34:22 tells us: "Observe the festival of Shavuot with the first-gathered produce of the wheat harvest, and the festival of ingathering at the turn of the year...." Torah directs the seven-week Counting of the Omer (which begins on the second day of Passover and culminates after seven weeks, the next day being Shavuot). The counting of the days and weeks conveys anticipation of and desire for the Giving of the Torah. In other words, at Passover, the Israelites were freed from their lives of slavery in Egypt; and 50 days later on Shavuot they accepted YHWH's Torah which made them a nation committed to serving God. This Feast was fulfilled by the coming of the promised Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) on the disciples of Yeshua in the Temple. It represents the beginning of the body of Messiah on Earth, in which ALL believers, redeemed through the blood of Messiah, are lifted up before ADONAI and set apart as holy (Acts 2, John 14:15-18, Ephesians 2:11-22).
  • Yom Teruah (Trumpets)/Rosh Hashana: New Year; it is the Jewish Civil New Year; the creation of the world, according to tradition; the anniversary of the creation of Adam and Eve and their first actions toward the realization of man's role in the world; of the first sin that was committed and resulting repentance; a day when YHWH takes stock of all of His Creation, which includes all of humanity. It's a rehearsal for the day when the bridegroom will come to claim us, his bride, who are betrothed to Him. This Feast on Tishri 1 falls in the September/October timeframe. Leviticus 23:23-25 says: ADONAI said to Moshe, "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'In the seventh month, the first of the month is to be for you a day of complete rest for remembering, a holy convocation announced with blasts on the shofar. Do not do any kind of ordinary work, and bring an offering made by fire to ADONAI.'"

    According to tradition, during this time YHWH's people are to concentrate all their efforts into making amends with their brethren and apologizing for past offenses. Judging by the fact that Y'shua has so far fulfilled the first four feasts in sequence, Yom Teruah/Trumpets will be the next one to be fulfilled, because when the trumpets sound, those who have accepted YHWH as their God and His Divine Messiah, will be gathered/resurrected (I Thess. 4:13-18, I Cor. 15:50-54).
When I read scripture this is what scripture says. It is a very unpopular belief. There has been some very harsh things said about me because I find this in scripture, yet there is not one person who has given scripture backup for their belief that God cancelled it. It is all done through man made interpretations of other scripture verses.

Some say that Christ did not ask it of us so God doesn't ask it, yet they will state that Christ is God. They feel that God in the OT does not have Christ as part of God. Scripture tells us Christ was there at creation, even. The OT was God breathed just as the NT was. Some say it is a Jewish custom and Paul taught not to follow those customs, yet it is a Jewish custom to pray and they are all for praying. Some say it is a fallacy to believe you must do this to be saved, yet God does not say this when God asks us to honor the feasts. God says our salvation is based only on faith in Him, and of course that faith needs to be in what God tells us. One said they celebrate salvation through Christ, implying that if you celebrate that way you may not celebrate with feasts. Some say instructions to the Hebrews are not for the strangers, as scripture calls the gentiles, yet scripture tells us God is God the same for all, not special for His chosen race.

If God doesn't ask us to celebrate salvation with the feasts then God would tell us so and there hasn't been one scripture given that tells us this. If someone asks me for scripture about things that God has asked us not to do, I could supply them with those scriptures. No one has given this for the feasts.
 
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hmmm

another vote Wed?

compliments of McConnell? :cautious:
 

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When I read scripture this is what scripture says. It is a very unpopular belief. There has been some very harsh things said about me because I find this in scripture, yet there is not one person who has given scripture backup for their belief that God cancelled it. It is all done through man made interpretations of other scripture verses
If God doesn't ask us to celebrate salvation with the feasts then God would tell us so and there hasn't been one scripture given that tells us this. If someone asks me for scripture about things that God has asked us not to do, I could supply them with those scriptures. No one has given this for the feasts.
In part that is what inspired me to post the articles on the feasts. They give a fair view of the feats and what they are about. It is different in article format than in discussion forum format, when we discuss such things. Because in an article the author can simply refer to supporting scripture and build a narrative in context. Whereas in a discussion forum format everyone's personal beliefs and practices get interwoven into a back and forth that can become heated. And understandably due to the individuals personal affinity for their belief.

Some say that Christ did not ask it of us so God doesn't ask it, yet they will state that Christ is God. They feel that God in the OT does not have Christ as part of God. Scripture tells us Christ was there at creation, even. The OT was God breathed just as the NT was. Some say it is a Jewish custom and Paul taught not to follow those customs, yet it is a Jewish custom to pray and they are all for praying. Some say it is a fallacy to believe you must do this to be saved, yet God does not say this when God asks us to honor the feasts. God says our salvation is based only on faith in Him, and of course that faith needs to be in what God tells us. One said they celebrate salvation through Christ, implying that if you celebrate that way you may not celebrate with feasts. Some say instructions to the Hebrews are not for the strangers, as scripture calls the gentiles, yet scripture tells us God is God the same for all, not special for His chosen race.
Precisely. We're told, God is no respecter of persons. He doesn't play favorites, He doesn't elect one group or race over another in affording His free irrevocable grace and message to the world.

The thing about the feasts, which is another reason I shared the articles, especially the last one, is that they were in no wise intended as a means to Salvation. Then or now.
The OT people were saved by faith. The NT people and we today, are saved by faith. Not by following any precepts or rules.
What I think we encounter more often than not is what is often called, easy believerism. All you have to do is believe in Jesus and you're in the Heaven club for all time. Often, that group of believers also deny the moral commands of God are relevant today, and as well as the feast days.
And it always makes me wonder about that affirmation, regarding the ten commands? If someone knows what they say, they realize those are the basic moral constructs surrounding Love of God and one's neighbor. You don't steal from your neighbor, you don't murder your neighbor, you don't lie about them, or perjure yourself in court against them, etc...And you love only God and no other god, nor do you erect idols.
So, to think there are Denominations out there that say, oh, all that? No, doesn't apply now, is to realize there are some real charlatan churches afoot that know nothing about the Bible, and everything about condoning vice.

Because if an edict from the Creator to not murder His creation doesn't apply, then I should be able to murder the guy who cut down my tree on my land, because he said it obstructed his view of....my land? :unsure: And I should be able to buy that yoga posed Jesus oak carved statue that I saw the other day at a retailer here because a graven image is OK now, right?

See what I mean? To say the ten commands are no longer valid is to usurp what Jesus said of them. When they no longer matter, I guess God wasted His time writing His laws on our hearts so that we'd never be apart from them. You know, because they no longer matter? So God must not have known that I guess. ;)

Trust the Lord with all your heart and mind, and He will never be far from you. He indwells you. And He isn't even a He! God is a Holy Spirit and that's why we must worship God in spirit. :)

More often than not what these type discussions are about is challenging what you believe in your personal relationship with God. The critics, the most vocal who oppose the Bible by twisting the scriptures, appear to want to tell us in a way that doesn't get them disciplined by board rules, that we're not really Christians, or that the Bible itself is antiquated and we're all idiots for believing and taking to heart and living what it says.
And as I've also said before, though that can be taken out of context and twisted too, is that a lot of people who have it wrong about scripture are likely people who have been taught by a pastor who was wrong. Or they're following a Denomination that has corrupted the scriptures to their way of thinking.
So those type people aren't here as wolves, they're here as sheep led astray by false shepherds in the pulpit.

Not to say we don't have wolves here.

Keep your faith and walk true to God and you'll do well.
 
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the question was actually where are we told to continue in the feasts. God provided the sacrifice and that sacrifice said 'remember Me'

and so to sleep perchance to dream

the untroubled mind at rest at last
 

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...yet there is not one person who has given scripture backup for their belief that God cancelled it.
That's nonsense. When the Bible says that the Old Covenant is ABOLISHED -- rendered null and void -- it means God cancelled the feasts. And I did give you the Scripture. But I will add more Scripture. Not that you will give heed to it, but so that you cannot lie about it.

THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE TEMPLE WAS DESTROYED
In that He [GOD] saith, A New Covenant, He [GOD] hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. (Hebrews 8:13)

Did you to get that? It is God who established the New Covenant through Christ, and because of that He made the first Covenant "old". And because it is old and decaying, becoming older day by day, IT IS READY TO VANISH AWAY. Disappear. Become null and void. Become obsolete. Become cancelled. And when the temple was destroyed, that was the end of the Levitical priesthood, the sacrifices, and the feasts. But of of course, you are smarter than God.

THE OLD COVENANT WAS DEFICIENT, WOULD LAST ONLY UNTIL THE TIME OF REFORMATION
[The Old Covenant]Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until The Time of Reformation*. (Heb 9:10)

Do you know the meaning of "Time Time of Reformation"? Do you understand that the Time of Reformation began the day Christ died on the cross? Do you know why the veil in the temple was torn in two, bringing an end to temple worship? Do you know that without the temple, there cannot be any proper, correct, biblical, observation of the feasts? Do you even know why the book of Hebrews was written and how it related to the end of the Old Covenant?

*Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1357: διόρθωσιςδιόρθωσις,διορθώσεως, ἡ (from διορθόω);
2. of acts and institutions, reformation: καιρόςδιορθώσεως a season of reformation, or the perfecting of things, referring to the times of the Messiah, Hebrews 9:10. (Aristotle, Pol. 3, 1, 4 (p. 1275{b}, 13); νόμου, de mund. 6, p. 400{b}, 29; (cf. Josephus, contra Apion 2, 20, 2); Polybius 3, 118, 12 τῶν πολιτευματων, Diodorus 1, 75 τῶνἁμαρτημάτων, Josephus, Antiquities 2, 4, 4; b. j. 1, 20, 1; others; (cf. Lob. ad Phryn., p. 250f).)
 

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This is an absolutely marvelous post, and it agrees with my understanding of the feasts except Pentecost. That is celebrating the day God's law was written down on stone, and it is now that law is written in our hearts.

We disagree about the need for us to praise God and celebrate His giving us salvation with the feasts. You say that because of the one scripture telling us not to judge others about celebrating dates what God actually did with that was to cancel what God told us about celebrating salvation with the feasts. That is one interpretation of one scripture, something no other scripture does. Always there are two scriptures with the same message because it is so difficult for our carnal minds to grasp spiritual teaching. I don't think God told us this meaning to not celebrate His plan of salvation for us.

The whole issue is whether the festivals and Sabbath are part of the ceremonial aspects of the Mosaic Law.

Judaizers deny that the Sabbath and festivals are ceremonial aspects of the Mosaic Law.

Colossians 2:16-17 indicates that Sabbath, New Moons and festivals are shadows of the reality or substance who is Christ.

The same language is used in Hebrews 9:9-11 and Hebrews 10:1-4 with reference to the Mosaic ceremonial laws that were only in effect until Christ.

Days and diet are the continual focus of Judaizers. I lived all my life before age 32 amongst them. They really have a dismal understanding of salvation and I think it is due to their focus on such things for their source of righteousness rather than Jesus.

To be honest I wouldn’t fellowship with them even if they were right. Their demeanor is more like conspiracy theorists looking to accuse Christians as false believers and cuckolds of the Roman Catholic Church.
 
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When I read scripture this is what scripture says. It is a very unpopular belief. There has been some very harsh things said about me because I find this in scripture, yet there is not one person who has given scripture backup for their belief that God cancelled it. It is all done through man made interpretations of other scripture verses.

Some say that Christ did not ask it of us so God doesn't ask it, yet they will state that Christ is God. They feel that God in the OT does not have Christ as part of God. Scripture tells us Christ was there at creation, even. The OT was God breathed just as the NT was. Some say it is a Jewish custom and Paul taught not to follow those customs, yet it is a Jewish custom to pray and they are all for praying. Some say it is a fallacy to believe you must do this to be saved, yet God does not say this when God asks us to honor the feasts. God says our salvation is based only on faith in Him, and of course that faith needs to be in what God tells us. One said they celebrate salvation through Christ, implying that if you celebrate that way you may not celebrate with feasts. Some say instructions to the Hebrews are not for the strangers, as scripture calls the gentiles, yet scripture tells us God is God the same for all, not special for His chosen race.

If God doesn't ask us to celebrate salvation with the feasts then God would tell us so and there hasn't been one scripture given that tells us this. If someone asks me for scripture about things that God has asked us not to do, I could supply them with those scriptures. No one has given this for the feasts.

from page one on, people have provided SCRIPTURE to indicate, TO YOU, the New Testament shows us that following the OT laws etc, that were given to the JEWISH NATION, are no longer necessary and were NEVER intended to be the way of salvation

Jesus ALONE is the way of salvation

He alone is the Way, the Truth and the Life

while we find 'shadows' of what was to come, God's plan of salvation through His Son, these are not a part of salvation

I do not care if you follow the things you state you follow. the problem is in the fact...THE FACT...you fail to either understand or acknowledge that Christ fulfilled ALL things and we are no longer obligated to follow the OT

Further you continue by stating there is no proof. this, is a lie on your part as proof has been provided. this is not a matter of comprehension IMO, as it is as plain as the nose on your face

continue in whatever you wish, but you are incorrect in stating what the rest of us are doing

for example, this:

Some say that Christ did not ask it of us so God doesn't ask it, yet they will state that Christ is God. They feel that God in the OT does not have Christ as part of God.
is a total fabrication on your part. you do not understand or you choose to ignore what has been provided to you in this forum by quite a few people

this is on YOU, not anyone else.

your continuing way of saying this person or that person or everyone has said the type of nonsense in your posts, is either deliberate or you are just that confused and seeing everything through your personal filter

it seems some people like to PLAY at being Jewish because they think it makes them closer to God or perhaps God sees them in a better light.

the NT is plain that they do not

Jesus stated we are to remember Him and I have not seen where you posted one single thing about that. Jesus, who is our Savior...not the law and He did not state remember the celebrations

He stated we should remember HIM. this is perhaps your biggest failure of all.
 

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wait! the proverbial one more thing:

SENATE REJECTS MOTION TO CALL WITNESSES

YES! YES! YES!
:giggle: When all those witnesses are testifying by hearsay, this is a good thing. The Senate should have vacated this case from day one.

what a good idea, let's complain that we haven't heard from eyewitnesses, and then prevent any from testifying.

y'all have a disease, IMO.
 

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Do you know the meaning of "Time Time of Reformation"? Do you understand that the Time of Reformation began the day Christ died on the cross?
i'd say it began before this. i'll give you two evidences for that position:
  • in John 4:20-23 Christ tells a Samaritan woman ((yeah, He revealed Himself to goyim)) that the time is coming and now is in which the true worshippers of the Father do so neither on Gerizim or at the temple in Jerusalem, but rather in spirit and in truth.
  • in Matthew 21:31 Christ tells the chief priests & elders that sinners are entering the kingdom of God
both instances are speaking of present action at the very time He is speaking the words, and both are before the physical veil was rent. as a bonus, both of these passages handily refute the 'two-gospels' classical dispensationalism argument. He preaches & reveals Himself to Gentiles, and He states matter-of-fact that the kingdom of God is very much present, accepting citizens and in-effect. it just ain't the physical earthly kind of kingdom those who reject Him were thinking it is.
 
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what a good idea, let's complain that we haven't heard from eyewitnesses, and then prevent any from testifying.

y'all have a disease, IMO.
I was hoping they'd let Bolton testify. (I was curious of what he'd say.)
This won't end now because they didn't allow witnesses.
Nunes said the House will just subpoena him after the trial.....and on and on and on this thing will go.

I try to remember Paul's counsel to not get involved in civilian affairs:

"No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer." - 2 Timothy 2:4

I'm for Trump (even if he might be the anti-christ, lol) but I have to remember that we must submit to and accept whoever rules our land. Frankly, I don't think we deserve Trump. Bernie is probably more in line with what our drugged out, pleasure loving, over-indulgent, arrogant, lawless, love-of-riches country deserves. So I'll be thankful while it lasts.

...oh, and it's Hebrews that gives us the best explanation of why we don't have to observe the festival schedule of worship anymore. :)
 
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To be honest I wouldn’t fellowship with them even if they were right. Their demeanor is more like conspiracy theorists looking to accuse Christians as false believers and cuckolds of the Roman Catholic Church.
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what a good idea, let's complain that we haven't heard from eyewitnesses, and then prevent any from testifying.

y'all have a disease, IMO.

I wonder if you can actually make a post that is not provocative and designed to create a false narrative :unsure::rolleyes:

well, you and the rest of the democrats must be forgetting that when the house set themselves on fire, they called 17 witnesses, held secret meetings in the basement (was a good place for them...someone should have boarded up the door :LOL:) and then tried to coax negative testimonies out of their select witnesses on TV without succeeding, they did not allow the Republicans to question any witnesses other than what Shiffy allowed....and each one already a so called house witness

as so many are now saying, including leftist TV, Trump did not commit a crime ... the crime is in the house

yes I know that is very distasteful to you, but not to those of us who have worked for what we have, enjoy being able to be a Christian and go to church or have a meeting in their house or whatever, want the unborn to be protected and want the borders to be actual borders and not slot machines for illegals and much much more

you are just jaded and pouting which is something you have to deal with and will have to deal with

since we all know how the dems like to sling insults and lie, I am not surprised to see the uncultured remarks in your post where it seems you think it is ok to slander that way even though you say your are a saved man

I am not going to answer or respond to you. you have become illogical and seem to want to pick fights

have a good day in spite of your angst and anger
 

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I was hoping they'd let Bolton testify. (I was curious of what he'd say.)
This won't end now because they didn't allow witnesses.
Nunes said the House will just subpoena him after the trial.....and on and on and on this thing will go.

I try to remember Paul's counsel to not get involved in civilian affairs:

"No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer." - 2 Timothy 2:4

I'm for Trump (even if he might be the anti-christ, lol) but I have to remember that we must submit to and accept whoever rules our land. Frankly, I don't think we deserve Trump. Bernie is probably more in line with what our drugged out, pleasure loving, over-indulgent, arrogant, lawless, love-of-riches country deserves. So I'll be thankful while it lasts.

...oh, and it's Hebrews that gives us the best explanation of why we don't have to observe the festival schedule of worship anymore. :)
well it was functionally over with before it ever began, because, Proverbs 18:13 isn't heeded: conservatives show tremendous partiality.

totally agree with your application of 2 Tim. 2:4 -- our citizenship is in heaven.

i do think as a nation we have exactly the president we deserve. the nation is by-and-large two parts, both wicked: one part vain & hypocritical, and another part vain & lascivious. the blues neglect to love the Lord and the reds neglect to love their neighbour. every worldly leader serves worldly interests, and the next worldly leader this nation gets will also be exactly the appropriate one -- regardless of who it is, the 'other side' will gripe and moan and forget all about how they complained of the very same things being done by their opposing worldly party either 4 or 8 years ago. for 8 years the GOP wanted to impeach mr. Obama for whatever reason they can find, and now the DNC wants to do the same thing to mr. Trump, and next rotation the GOP will try to do exactly the same thing to whoever takes the worldly seat of power next, and the DNC will act as though it's unheard of, just like the GOP acts now.

getting involved in all these worldly politics is a disease, especially gregarious when one thinks it's God they are serving by doing so.