Where Is Mother Teresa Now?

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September of 1946, Teresa, then 36 years old, was sent to her annual
retreat and a needed rest, to the Loreto convent in Darjeeling, a town
nestled in the foothills of the Himalayas, some 400 miles north of Calcutta
(a.k.a. Kolkata).

On the 10th, she experienced a "mystical encounter" with Christ. This
encounter would be only the first of several that would occur that year. But
lest you make the mistake of assuming that Teresa actually eye-witnessed
an apparition, or that she actually heard sounds with her own ears; let me
explain something that's crucial to keeping Teresa's experience in the proper
perspective.

Her so-called encounters are what's known as locutions (supernatural words)
viz: manifestations of God's thoughts; which may come through words heard
externally (exterior or auricular locutions) or in the imagination (interior
imaginative locutions) or immediately without any words (interior intellectual
locutions) viz: intuition. Teresa's locutions were of the interior imaginative
variety; viz: she didn't actually hear any voices nor did she see anybody; no,
it all took place in her imagination.

I'm not making this up. I own a copy of Teresa's personal letters, published
with commentary by Father Brian Kolodiejchuk, M.C. the director of the
Mother Teresa Center, and Postulator for her canonization. Father Brian is
not one of Ms. Bojaxhiu's enemies. No, they were friends for like twenty
years: he's a great admirer of hers and had his superior's approval to
publish her letters.

One of her letters, containing excerpts of some of her conversations with
"Jesus" that took place in her imagination, is on page 47. What really caught
my attention in the letter is a promise Teresa claims the locutions made to
her that went like this : "Do not fear-- I shall be with you always."

Was "Jesus" with her always? Not even! The poor woman went on from that
year forward to endure virtually five decades feeling abandoned by Christ;
and yearning for even the slightest glimmer of The Lord's presence.

Q: If the locutions were only in Teresa's imagination; then why did they go
silent? Couldn't she have kept them going?

A: Teresa wondered why the locutions stopped too. However, that's really a
question for either a professional psychologist or a neuroscientist. Our minds
seem at times to have a mind of their own. As an example, no doubt there's
been times when you heard someone call your name; when actually nobody
did. I don't know how to explain things like that any more than I know how
to explain the immoral, and oftentimes violent thoughts and imaginations
that flood our minds totally against our will.

How does the human brain, a 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue
consisting of 60% fat, produce the phenomena of memory, consciousness,
and self awareness? How does it make us all behave so similarly at times,
and yet endow each of us with a unique and irreproducible existence? I can't
answer those questions any more than I can resolve Teresa's interior
imaginative locutions nor the mental activity of clairvoyance and horse
whispering.

Teresa died in 1997 at the age of 87; distraught with fear that God not only
didn't like her, but also that He may never have actually approved of her
work in India. Let that be a lesson. NEVER listen for a so-called "still small
voice" in your head; because it just might be nothing in the world but your
own mind's imagination getting to you. Following the lead of your own
imagination is like hitching your buggy to a tumble weed. You'll never get to
town like that.

†. 1John 4:1 . . Beloved, believe not every wind, but test the spirits whether
they are of God

Don't be gullible. Fantasized voices are the most unreliable form of
communication with God that I can possibly imagine. People actually commit
crimes because they hear a voice from God telling them to do so.

Q: Do you really think Mother Teresa had some mystical experiences?

A: People need to understand that I.I.L.'s are neither visible nor audible. No,
they are totally psychological: viz: they are essentially fantasies; which is
exactly why I strongly recommend that Christians never listen for a "still
small voice" at prayer because the human mind truly has a mind of its own;
and can easily mislead its owner.

Then there's also the paranormal aspect to consider. The Bible reveals that
there are invisible beings in the air all around us every moment of our lives--
whether we are awake or asleep --that have the ability to get inside people's
heads with subconscious suggestions, dreams, and locutions to persuade
them to think, act, and feel in ways they would never ordinarily do on their
own. This aspect of demonic control is especially terrifying because, unlike
possession, it's an activity that is impossible to detect with any of the five
human senses of taste, touch, sight, hearing, or smell. Nor can it be
detected by scientific instruments like CatScans, X-rays, or oscilloscopes.

Q: Why do you ridicule Teresa's locutions when you your own self believe
they happened?

A: I assure you there is nothing amusing about either Teresa or her
locutions; no, on the contrary, I think her condition was not only to be
deeply pitied, but also quite terrifying. Teresa's locutions led that poor
woman into a half century of spiritual dryness and alienation from God-- a
period of darkness of the soul unequalled in the history of Catholic mystics.

People are far too prone to evaluate Teresa's spirituality by her feats, when
the true proof of the pudding is not in one's feats, but rather, in one's
association with Christ; and according to Teresa's own letters; the "absent
one" was never with her in India at all.

†. Matt 7:22-23 . . Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Master, have we
not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them : I
never knew you. Depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Let that be a lesson. Somebody's accomplishments done in Christ's name,
no matter how remarkable, do not guarantee they will make it to safety
when they cross over to the other side.

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What's your source, Webershome?
 
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Let me guess but it seems maybe BrotherJustin is pro-Catholic?

Catholics have to worship Mary because the Catholic Church teaches Mary is partners with Jesus in everything He has done. Its Jesus AND Mary that can hear and answer our Prayers. Its Jesus AND Mary that brings Salvation to the People.

The Catholic Church teaches you have to go through Mary to reach Jesus. They teach you cannot come to God without going through Mary first.

So why are you defending the corruption of the Catholic Church BrotherJustin?
 

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Let me guess but it seems maybe BrotherJustin is pro-Catholic?

Catholics have to worship Mary because the Catholic Church teaches Mary is partners with Jesus in everything He has done. Its Jesus AND Mary that can hear and answer our Prayers. Its Jesus AND Mary that brings Salvation to the People.

The Catholic Church teaches you have to go through Mary to reach Jesus. They teach you cannot come to God without going through Mary first.

So why are you defending the corruption of the Catholic Church BrotherJustin?
All Catholics or just the ones that you know personally?
 
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Let me guess but it seems maybe BrotherJustin is pro-Catholic?

Catholics have to worship Mary because the Catholic Church teaches Mary is partners with Jesus in everything He has done. Its Jesus AND Mary that can hear and answer our Prayers. Its Jesus AND Mary that brings Salvation to the People.

The Catholic Church teaches you have to go through Mary to reach Jesus. They teach you cannot come to God without going through Mary first.

So why are you defending the corruption of the Catholic Church BrotherJustin?
Nope. I'm not pro-Catholic--I'm anti-gossip.

I don't appreciate gossip concerning deceased people any more than I appreciate gossip concerning living people.
 

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Nope. I'm not pro-Catholic--I'm anti-gossip.

I don't appreciate gossip concerning deceased people any more than I appreciate gossip concerning living people.
And yet four days after I had been active in a thread you were talking about me = gossip, and bearing false witness. Don't ask me to explain it all to you again, you have rejected everything I said to you there for corrective purposes. Just stop.
 

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All Catholics or just the ones that you know personally?
Actually, there are only two ex cathedra dogmas, and they both concern Mary, and RCC adherents are mandated to accept them unconditionally. Of course they are not matters of salvation, but they do seem to many to be completely non Scriptural: the immaculate conception, which states that Mary not only lived a sinless life but that she was preserved from sin in her very conception, in order that Jesus be born/could be sinless. This begs the question though, does it not? If God, according to the RCC, could keep Mary sinless, why was she needed to be sinless to keep Jesus sinless? It would also seem that if Mary needed to be sinless her whole life to give birth to a sinless Jesus, then every matriarchal ancestor of Mary's would likewise need to be preserved from sin in order that each be sinless so that Mary could eventually be born preserved from sin. This we know from Scripture cannot be so. The second dogma concerns her bodily assumption to heaven. Why they are forced to believe this I do not know. They have quite a complex web around Mary, they do pray to her, maybe that is why they cannot have had her die at any time. Despite what Scripture says about Jesus being our only intercessor, they believe Mary intercedes on their behalf. The whole month of May is devoted to her in corporate prayer. Oh, you were brought up in the RCC, weren't you? Me too. Some of this is not so evident, but if you read their catechisms and dogmas and everything they have to say about Mary, it is quite shocking how much she supplants the role of Christ.
 
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In the Catholic Church you are not allowed to accept or reject the Doctrines of the Catholic Church based on what you want. All Catholics if they want to enter into Heaven have to accept as Truth ALL the teachings and Doctrines of the Catholic Church or face excommunication from the Church.

The Catholic Church teaches that one must be in the Catholic Church to be able to receive Salvation. If one is cast out of the Catholic Church then that person LOSES their Salvation and cannot enter into Heaven.

Too many people on this web site refuse to look into exactly what the Catholic Church teaches. I was born in the Catholic Church and i have studied everything the Catholic Church teaches.

Did you know the Catholic Church teaches the Scriptures are subject to the Catholic Church? If the Scriptures teach the opposite of what the Catholic Church teaches then those Scriptures are wrong and one must then accept what the Catholic Church teaches or face excommunication from the Church.
 
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And yet four days after I had been active in a thread you were talking about me = gossip, and bearing false witness. Don't ask me to explain it all to you again, you have rejected everything I said to you there for corrective purposes. Just stop.
That's because I did not visit CC for a few days--I returned and when I did, I went back to Post #1 of that thread and read through to gain a more complete understanding.

I stand by what found and concluded.

What is the point in continuing to falsely accuse me for falsely accusing you while asking me to 'just stop'?

If you want to resolve this, then let's resolve it! Otherwise, let's forgive forget and move on!
 
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Catholicism insists Mary HAD to be born without sin in order for Jesus to be born without sin. But yet Mary's mother was born with sin. Some how according to Catholicism God was able to keep Mary free from sin while in the womb of a sinner, but yet God was POWERLESS to be able to keep Jesus free from sin in the womb of a sinner.

Do you see how Catholicism puts Mary above God!

Catholicism HAS to put Mary above God because Catholicism follows Mary AS their God!

How can Catholicism be a Christian Religion when it follows two Gods? They follow Mary and Jesus. These are their Gods.
 
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Apparently this is an ANTI-CATHOLICISM thread disguised as an ANTI-MOTHER-TERESA thread.

I will be unsubscribing now.

I'd rather focus on praising God than criticizing dead Catholics.
 
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Hm. So, what?? Don't even Christians have moments of deep, searing doubt? I know I've had them. I know I've felt the emptiness where I thought God was. As it turns out, He's always there; it is only in my human sin and frailty that I cannot feel Him. :)

Is there something to be gained by conjecturing where the eternal souls of people have gone after they've died? It seems to me that that is a little fruitless. If we want to think about people's eternal souls, think of the living! Think of those tottering on the brink of Hell who can still be saved! Pray for them! Show them the Light! That's my take on it, anyway.
 

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Catholicism insists Mary HAD to be born without sin in order for Jesus to be
born without sin. But yet Mary's mother was born with sin. Some how
according to Catholicism God was able to keep Mary free from sin while in
the womb of a sinner, but yet God was POWERLESS to be able to keep Jesus
free from sin in the womb of a sinner.
To my knowledge of Catholicism, God didn't keep Jesus' mom free from sin,
rather, free from a so-called "stain of sin" resulting from Adam's
disobedience.

But I agree with you in principle. If God could keep Jesus' mom free of
Adam's stain without her mother being free of it, then God could have just
as easily done the very same thing for Jesus.

But the problem is: it's unthinkable in the Catholic mind that Christ would be
born of an impure woman.

I would be okay with Catholicism's theory if only it were in the Bible. But It's
not; rather, it's totally the result of humanistic reasoning; viz: a fantasy.

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We are to accept everything that God has said in the Scriptures as our ONLY source of the Truth. No Church on this World has the Truth, not even the Catholic Church. All Truth is from God.

Until people accept this they will continue to be deceived by lying spirits.

Only the Scriptures from God has all the Truth.
 

WebersHome

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Don't even Christians have moments of deep, searing doubt?
A five decades-long night of the soul fails to qualify as a "moment".

To her credit, Teresa sensed that her spiritual condition was abnormal. But
for the life of her; she couldn't figure out what was wrong in her association
with a God whom she was led to believe cared for her.

"I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness &
emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."

"Now Father-- since 49 or 50 this terrible sense of loss-- this untold
darkness-- this loneliness, this continual longing for God-- which gives me
pain deep down in my heart-- Darkness is such that I really do not see
neither with my mind nor with my reason-- the place of God in my soul is
blank-- There is no God in me-- when the pain of longing is so great-- I just
long & long for God-- and then it is that I feel-- He does not want me-- He is
not there-- God does not want me-- Sometimes-- I just hear my own heart
cry out-- "My God" and nothing else comes-- the torture and pain I can't
explain"

She couldn't "explain" and apparently none of her spiritual counselors could
explain either. Instead they blew her situation off as preparation for
sainthood. Oh?

In one of his letters to folk called to be saints; everything Paul said to them
was upbeat. There was no talk of dark nights of the soul; and those folk
surely deserved dark nights seeing as how they were as worldly as can be
(1Cor 3:1-3). If dark nights of the soul are a requirement for folk called to be
saints, Paul would have spoken of dark nights of the soul, but didn't, rather
he said:

"Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord
Jesus Christ.

. . . I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is
given you by Jesus Christ; that in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all
utterance, and in all knowledge; even as the testimony of Christ was
confirmed in you: so that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming
of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye
may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, by
whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord." (1
Cor 1:3-9)

What happened to Teresa's share of confidence, and grace, and peace, and
fellowship with His son? If those worldly Corinthians got some, then why
didn't the most dedicated Catholic nun the twentieth century every produced
get some? Surely she deserved just as much confidence, and grace, and
peace, and fellowship with His son as they did. How come they got gifts
while all she got was a lump of coal?

I admire Teresa's desire for God, but I suspect that the average pew warmer
isn't like her; no, they would just as soon prefer that God keep His distance.

†. 2Cor 13:5 . . Examine yourselves to see whether you are living in faith.
Test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you? -- unless, of
course, you be rejected.

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