Where Is Mother Teresa Now?

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But the Catholic Church today has turned away from the Truth to teach the doctrines of Demons.

A good example of this is when in 1854 the Pope of the Catholic Church declared Mary had been born without sin, just like Jesus had been born without sin. Their Theology says Jesus could not be sinless while in the womb of a sinner. Therefore Mary had to be sinless to keep Jesus free from sin.

But then Mary's mother and grandmother and great grandmother all had to be sinless also. The Catholic Church then declared God keep Mary free from sin. But f God has the power to keep Mary free from sin, then God does have the power to keep Jesus free from sin.

How can a Catholic today claim to be a True Christians following Jesus when they see nothing wrong with Praying to Mary?

Let us reason: A Catholic on their knees if front of a statue of Mary. Praying the "Hail Mary" Prayer to the statue of Mary for hours on end.

This is not what God wants us to do. God does not want us making Images of things and bowing down to Worship such objects.

Exodus 20:3-5
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“You shall have no other gods before Me.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You shall not worship them or serve them

The Catholics are Worshiping and serving Mary as their god. This is why the Catholic Church today has turned its back on God to Worship other gods.

May God have mercy on the souls of the Catholics.
 

epostle

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Charles keating donate, I believe 1.25 million us dollar to Mother Teresa. Charles Keating stole more than 250 million from people I believe he own saving and loan bank. Mother Teresa wrote to the judge to act like Jesus and forgive Charles Keating.

below is part of they dialog.

You urge Judge Ito to look into his heart – as he sentences Charles Keating – and do what Jesus would do. I submit the same challenge to you.Ask yourself what Jesus would do if he were given the fruits of a crime; what Jesus would do if he were in possession of money that had been stolen; what Jesus would do if he were being exploited by a thief to ease his conscience? I submit that Jesus would promptly and unhesitatingly return the stolen property to its rightful owners. You should do the same. You have been given money by Mr. Keating that he has been convicted of stealing by fraud. Do not permit him the ‘indulgence’ he desires. Do not keep the money. Return it to those who worked for it and earned it!
If you contact me I will put you in direct contact with the rightful owners of the property now in your possession.
To this day Paul W. Turley awaits a reply from Mother Teresa, as do the thousands of people Charles Keating swindled. If she is the shining light of Catholic Christian values; the torch barer of all that is moral and good, we are constantly told by the religious only those with faith in God can espouse and exude, you’ll forgive me if I don’t hold my breath while waiting for someone to effectually excuse her simple inability to read the above, understand its modest requests and act appropriately.
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"...A number of your criticisms are deliberately misleading by leaving out relevant facts. Your book is a study in bigoted and dishonest selectivity. For example, you accuse her of taking stolen money from Charles Keating; you don’t point out that Keating gave the money to Mother Teresa in 1982, but it was not until the 1990s that the details of his swindling came to light—long after the missionaries had already spent it. How conveniently you alter the truth.
Donhahue / Hitchens debate
 
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Teresa's early confidence was based entirely upon fantasy. Let me explain.

September of 1946, Teresa, then 36 years old, was sent to her annual
retreat and a needed rest, to the Loreto convent in Darjeeling, a town
nestled in the foothills of the Himalayas, some 400 miles north of Calcutta
(a.k.a. Kolkata).

On the 10th, she's alleged to have experienced a "mystical encounter" with
Christ. This encounter would be only the first of several that would occur
that year. But lest you make the mistake of assuming that Teresa actually
eye-witnessed an apparition, or that she actually heard sounds with her own
ears; let me explain something that's crucial to keeping Teresa's experience
in the proper perspective.

Her so-called encounters are what's known as locutions (supernatural words)
viz: manifestations of God's thoughts; which may come through words heard
externally (exterior or auricular locutions) or in the imagination (interior
imaginative locutions) or immediately without any words (interior intellectual
locutions) viz: intuition. Teresa's locutions were of the interior imaginative
variety; viz: she didn't actually hear any voices nor did she see anybody; no,
it all took place in her imagination.

Teresa claims that the Jesus in one of her locutions promised her: "Do not
fear-- I shall be with you always."

Was "Jesus" with her always? Not even! In no time at all, her locution Jesus
went offline and Teresa went on to endure nearly five decades feeling
abandoned by Christ; and yearning for even the slightest glimmer of his
presence.

"I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness &
emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."

"When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting
emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my
very soul. How painful is this unknown pain-- I have no faith."

"Now Father-- since 49 or 50 this terrible sense of loss-- this untold
darkness-- this loneliness, this continual longing for God-- which gives me
pain deep down in my heart-- Darkness is such that I really do not see
neither with my mind nor with my reason-- the place of God in my soul is
blank-- There is no God in me-- when the pain of longing is so great-- I just
long & long for God-- and then it is that I feel-- He does not want me-- He is
not there-- God does not want me-- Sometimes-- I just hear my own heart
cry out-- "My God" and nothing else comes-- the torture and pain I can't
explain"

"The damned of Hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment
with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I
feel that God does not want me, that God is not God; and that He does not
really exist."

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epostle

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Weber's-Home is on several forums obsessed with bashing Mother Teresa because he doesn't think there is any spiritual value in picking up one's daily cross, contrary to Jesus' command. She epitomizes Catholic thought on redemptive suffering, which Weber's-Home despises. So what is "redemptive suffering" and is there anything in that line of thought that is contrary to a majority of Protestantism? Given an honest look, I don't think there is.

Matt. 10:38 - Jesus said, "he who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me." Jesus defines discipleship as one's willingness to suffer with Him. Being a disciple of Jesus not only means having faith in Him, but offering our sufferings to the Father as He did.


Matt. 16:24; Mark 8:34 - Jesus said, "if any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me." Jesus wants us to empty ourselves so that God can fill us. When we suffer, we can choose to seek consolation in God and become closer to Jesus.


Luke 9:23 - Jesus says we must take up this cross daily. He requires us to join our daily temporal sacrifices (pain, inconvenience, worry) with His eternal sacrifice.

Phil. 1:29 - for the sake of Christ we are not only to believe in Him but also to suffer for His sake. Growing in holiness requires more than having faith in God and accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. We must also willfully embrace the suffering that befalls us as part of God's plan. Thus, Christ does not want our faith alone, but our faith in action which includes faith in suffering.

Col. 1:24 - Paul rejoices in his sufferings and completes what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of His body. This proves the Catholic position regarding the efficacy of suffering. Is there something lacking in Christ's sufferings? Of course not. But because Jesus loves us so much, He allows us to participate in His redemptive suffering by leaving room in His mystical body for our own suffering. Our suffering, united with our Lord's suffering, furthers the work of His redemption.
list of Scriptures on suffering

It's much easier to identify with physical suffering because it is common and plainly evident. (the flu, a broken bone, cancer) Spiritual suffering is rare and more complicated. It requires sound spiritual directors to monitor and rule out mental illness. Spiritual directors are well trained in psychology and formation. .Mother Teresa was not mentally ill, contrary to Weber's diabolical opinions.


Sometimes suffering makes an important good possible. If God eliminated that suffering, the corresponding good also would be eliminated.

We could say that suffering . . . is present in order to unleash love in the human person, that unselfish gift of one’s "I" on behalf of other people, especially those who suffer. The world of human suffering unceasingly calls for, so to speak, another world: the world of human love; and in a certain sense man owes to suffering that unselfish love that stirs in his heart and actions. (SD 29)

Humility

Suffering can bring us closer to what is good and can draw us away from obstacles to achieving happiness. Pain can prompt rehabilitation, a turning from evil to embrace stronger relationships with others and with God (SD 12). Suffering breaks down that most fundamental of human proclivities: our desire to be God. The atheistic existentialist Jean Paul Sartre wrote: "To be man is to reach toward being God. Or, if you prefer, man fundamentally is the desire to be God." The original sin of Adam and Eve was an attempt to reorder the universe so they could determine what is good and what is evil. This is replicated in every human sin. The sinner orders the universe according to his own will and sets aside the will of God. Suffering is redemptive in part because it reveals to man that he is not God, rendering him more receptive to the divine:

To suffer means to become particularly susceptible, particularly open to the working of the salvific powers of God, offered to humanity in Christ. In him God has confirmed his desire to act especially through suffering, which is man’s weakness and emptying of self, and he wishes to make his power known precisely in this weakness and emptying of self. (SD 23)

Only when we are weak do many of us rely on God and explicitly repudiate our own divine ambitions.

A Pope’s Answer to the Problem of Pain


With the exception of a few rabid anti-Catholics, I don't think there is anything "unChristian or unbiblical" in the above. Weber's is compelled to scourge St. Mother Teresa with 39 lashes...using scripture.
 

epostle

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Teresa's early confidence was based entirely upon fantasy. Let me explain.
On the 10th, she's alleged to have experienced a "mystical encounter" with
Christ. This encounter would be only the first of several that would occur
that year. But lest you make the mistake of assuming that Teresa actually
eye-witnessed an apparition, or that she actually heard sounds with her own
ears; let me explain something that's crucial to keeping Teresa's experience
in the proper perspective.

Her so-called encounters are what's known as locutions (supernatural words)
viz: manifestations of God's thoughts; which may come through words heard
externally (exterior or auricular locutions) or in the imagination (interior
imaginative locutions) or immediately without any words (interior intellectual
locutions) viz: intuition. Teresa's locutions were of the interior imaginative
variety; viz: she didn't actually hear any voices nor did she see anybody; no,
it all took place in her imagination.

Teresa claims that the Jesus in one of her locutions promised her: "Do not
fear-- I shall be with you always."

Was "Jesus" with her always? Not even! In no time at all, her locution Jesus
went offline and Teresa went on to endure nearly five decades feeling
abandoned by Christ; and yearning for even the slightest glimmer of his
presence.

St. John of the Cross speaks of the dark night of the soul which the mind remains firm in its faith in God while being tried by an almost blind unawareness of God's presence and His love. It is a deeper reality you cannot or will not grasp. It conflicts with your Cliff-ology.
Some people blame their traumatic childhood on the Catholic Church, they never grew up.


"I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness &
emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."

"When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting
emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my
very soul. How painful is this unknown pain-- I have no faith."

"Now Father-- since 49 or 50 this terrible sense of loss-- this untold
darkness-- this loneliness, this continual longing for God-- which gives me
pain deep down in my heart-- Darkness is such that I really do not see
neither with my mind nor with my reason-- the place of God in my soul is
blank-- There is no God in me-- when the pain of longing is so great-- I just
long & long for God-- and then it is that I feel-- He does not want me-- He is
not there-- God does not want me-- Sometimes-- I just hear my own heart
cry out-- "My God" and nothing else comes-- the torture and pain I can't
explain"

"The damned of Hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment
with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I
feel that God does not want me, that God is not God; and that He does not
really exist."
Page number, please.
A misrepresentation. Belief is not feelings. It should be obvious to anyone her faith, though heavily tested, never let up.

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

Matt. 7: 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

"...Gaining Indian citizenship, Mother Teresa travelled all the way to Patna, Bihar to gain medical training at the Medical Mission Sisters. After completing her short course, Mother Teresa returned to Calcutta and found her temporary lodging at Little Sisters of the Poor.

Her first outing was on December 21, 1948 to help the people in the slums. Her main mission was to serve Him by helping the ‘unwanted, unloved, and uncared’. From then on, Mother Teresa reached out to the poor and needy each day, fulfilling His desire to radiate love, kindness and compassion.

Starting off all alone, Mother Teresa was soon joined by voluntary helpers, most of which were former students and teachers, who accompanied her in her mission to fulfil His vision. With time, financial help also came in.

Mother Teresa then started an open air school and soon established a home for the dying and destitute in a dilapidated home, which she convinced the government to donate to her.

October 7, 1950 was historic day in the life of Mother Teresa; she finally received permission by the Vatican to start the congregation that eventually came to be known as Missionaries of Charity.

Starting off with merely 13 members, the Missionaries of Charity went on to become one of the most significant and recognized congregations in the world. As the ranks of congregation raised and financial aid came in easily, Mother Teresa expanded her scope for charitable activities exponentially.

In 1952, she inaugurated the first Home for the Dying, where people brought to this home received medical help and accorded the opportunity to die with dignity. Adhering to the different faith that people came in from, all who died were given their last ceremonies according to the religion they followed, thus dying a death of dignity.

The next step was initiating a home for those suffering from Hansen's disease, commonly known as leprosy. The home was called Shanti Nagar. Additionally, several clinics were formed in the city of Calcutta which provided medication, bandage and food to those suffering from leprosy.

In 1955, Mother Teresa opened a home for the orphans and homeless youths. She named it as Nirmala Shishu Bhavan, or the Children's Home of the Immaculate Heart. What started as a small effort soon grew in size and number, attracting recruits and financial help. By 1960, Missionaries of Charity had opened several hospices, orphanages and leper houses all over India.

Meanwhile, in 1963, Missionaries of Charity Brothers was founded. The main aim behind the inauguration of Missionaries of Charity Brother was to better respond to the physical and spiritual needs of the poor.

Furthermore, in 1976, a contemplative branch of the sisters was opened. Two years later, a contemplative brothers’ branch was inaugurated. In 1981, she began the Corpus Christi Movement for Priests and in 1984 the Missionaries of Charity Fathers was initiated. The initiation of the same was to combine the vocational aim of Missionaries of charity with the resource of ministerial priesthood.

Mother Teresa, then, formed the Co-Workers of Mother Teresa, the Sick and Suffering Co-Workers, and the Lay Missionaries of Charity.

The congregation, which was limited to India, opened its first house outside India in Venezuela in 1965 with five sisters. However, this was just the beginning, as many more houses came up in Rome, Tanzania and Austria. By 1970s, the order had reached several countries in Asia, Africa, Europe and United States.

In 1982, Mother Teresa rescued almost 37 children who were trapped in a front line hospital in Beirut. With the help of a few Red Cross volunteers, she crossed the war zone to reach the devastated hospital and evacuate young patients.

Missionaries of Charity which was rejected by the Communist countries earlier, found an acceptance in the 1980s. Ever since it attained permission, the congregation initiated a dozen of projects. She helped the earthquake victims of Armenia, the famished folks of Ethiopia and the radiation-caused victims of Chernobyl.

The first Missionaries of Charity home in the United States was established in the South Bronx, New York. By 1984, it had 19 establishments all over the country.

In 1991, Mother Teresa returned to her homeland for the first time since 1937 and opened a Missionaries of Charity Brothers home in Tirana, Albania.

By 1997, Missionaries of Charity had almost 4000 sisters working in 610 foundations, in 450 centres in 123 countries across the sIX continents. The congregation had several hospices and homes for people with HIV/AIDS, leprosy and tuberculosis, soup kitchens, children's and family counselling programs, personal helpers, orphanages, and schools functioning under it.

For her unwavering commitment and unflinching love and compassion that she devoutly shared, the Government of India honoured her with Padma Shri, Jawaharlal Nehru Award for International Understanding and Bharat Ratna, India’s highest civilian award.

In 1962, she was honoured with Ramon Magsaysay Award for International Understanding, for her merciful cognizance of the abject poor of a foreign land, in whose service she led a new congregation.

In 1971, she was awarded the first Pope John XXIII Peace Prize for her work with the poor, display of Christian charity and efforts for peace.

In 1979, Mother Teresa was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, "for work undertaken in the struggle to overcome poverty and distress, which also constitutes a threat to peace."

Mother Teresa’s health started declining in the 1980s. The first instance of the same was seen when she suffered a heart attack while visiting Pope John Paul II in Rome in 1983.

For the next decade, Mother Teresa constantly faced health issues. Cardiac problems seemed to live by her, as she experienced no respite even after heart surgery.

Her declining health led her to step down as the head of the order on March 13, 1997. Her last visit abroad was to Rome, when she visited Pope John Paul II for the second time.

Upon returning to Calcutta, Mother Teresa spent her last few days receiving visitors and instructing sisters. The greatly compassionate soul left for the heavenly abode on September 5, 1997. Her death was mourned by the world over.

The world has commemorated this saintly soul through various ways. She has been memorialized and has been made patroness of various churches. There are also several roads and structures that have been named after Mother Teresa. She has also been seen in popular cultures.

In 2003, Mother Teresa was beautified by Pope John Paul II at St Peter’s Basilica, in Vatican City. Since then, she has been known as Blessed Mother Teresa. Along with Blessed Pope John Paul II, the Church designated Blessed Teresa of Calcutta as the patron saint of the World Youth Day.

She was canonised by Pope Francis on 4 September 2016 and is now known as Saint Teresa of Calcutta.

accomplishments

I know she is dead, but what about her legacy?





 
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epostle

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You, know, Christopher, (Hitchens) both you and Mother Teresa professed deep concern for the plight of the poor and the destitute and the homeless. The only difference is that Mother Teresa actually did something for all of them. How many people have you literally carried out of the filth and vermin of the gutter, washed the maggots off them, put clean clothes on them, fed them, and gave them a secure place to rest, away from the terrors of the street? You criticize her and her nuns for not building a modern hospital for the desperately ill. That was never her stated intention—she was in the vocation of providing for the last days of the destitute and the dying. If you had taken the time to read the sign in front of her hospices, you would have seen it state,
” Home for the Dying and Destitute”—and not THE MAYO CLINIC.


Donahue / Hitchens debate


 
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Can a person who is bowing down to a Statue of Mary and Praying the Hail Mary over and over again for hours be called a True Christian?

Can a Catholic Worship Mary as a God and still enter into Heaven? The Scriptures say no, they cannot. Praying the "Hail Mary" to a statue of Mary is a sin.
 
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You, know, Christopher, (Hitchens) both you and Mother Teresa professed deep concern for the plight of the poor and the destitute and the homeless. The only difference is that Mother Teresa actually did something for all of them. How many people have you literally carried out of the filth and vermin of the gutter, washed the maggots off them, put clean clothes on them, fed them, and gave them a secure place to rest, away from the terrors of the street? You criticize her and her nuns for not building a modern hospital for the desperately ill. That was never her stated intention—she was in the vocation of providing for the last days of the destitute and the dying. If you had taken the time to read the sign in front of her hospices, you would have seen it state,
” Home for the Dying and Destitute”—and not THE MAYO CLINIC.


Donahue / Hitchens debate



Anyone who does anything to help the poor and sick is to be admired,certainly. But good works do not get anyone to heaven,no matter how sincere they are. If she accepted Christ as her Lord and Savior,she is in heaven. If she did not,she will not be there. What she did,while admirable,does not save her.
 

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Anyone who does anything to help the poor and sick is to be admired,certainly. But good works do not get anyone to heaven,no matter how sincere they are. If she accepted Christ as her Lord and Savior,she is in heaven. If she did not,she will not be there. What she did,while admirable,does not save her.
She accepted Christ as her Lord and savior every day. It's a requirement for any sister or brother in those orders. Good works do not get anyone to heaven, I completely agree. In fact, "works salvation" apart from the grace of Christ is a heresy condemned by the Church. It's called Pelagianism and that was in the 5th century, yet Catholics are falsely accused of "works righteousness". The myth won't go away.

James 2:24 says "faith without works is dead". Works in the absence of love isn't biblical good works, it's humanitarianism. Biblical good works, ("ergois agathois" , Gk.)
to be authentic, has to flow from the grace of Christ. I think we all agree on that. Obviously, St. Mother Teresa did a lot of good works. How could she have accomplished so much if she did it all without grace, on her own efforts?

Her faith never died, even in her darkest hours, Webers-Home is trying to prove otherwise. Good Christians often get the same experience of spiritual dryness. It doesn't mean God has abandoned them, it means God wants them to grow up.


She kept loving God in her dark night not because of it, but in spite of it. Weber's-Home has let prejudice over-ride reason. He refuses to post the page numbers of his so called quotes because there is more on those pages he doesn't want seen.


 

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Can a person who is bowing down to a Statue of Mary and Praying the Hail
Mary over and over again for hours be called a True Christian?
Here's a supernatural aspect of Christianity that isn't talked about much.

Rom 8:15 . . For you have not received a spirit of slavery again to fear;
but you have received a spirit of adoption, whereby we call out: Abba,
Father!

Abba is an Aramaic word. It refers to one's male parent but not as an
ordinary noun. It's a filial vocative.

For example: When my son points me out to one of his friends and says
"That's my dad over there." he's not using dad as a vocative. But when he
shouts "Hey dad, I'm over here!" then he's using dad to get my attention.
That's a vocative.

Rom 8:15 is saying that the spirit of adoption compels "we" to call out to a
father rather than a mother. So then, people who feel compelled to call out
to Jesus' mom instead of his Father, are not the Father's children because
the spirit of adoption would never compel them to do that.

The spirit of adoption, as it turns out, is the spirit of God's son.

Gal 4:6 . . As proof that you are children, God sent the spirit of His son
into our hearts, crying out: Abba, Father!

The spirit of His son compels the Father's children to pray to Jesus' Father,
never to his mother because Jesus was not in the habit of praying to his
mother; rather, he prayed to his Father. So then, people compelled by the
spirit of His son will address their prayers to Jesus' Father same as he did,
and this is the "proof that you are children". Ergo: people in the habit of
praying to Jesus' mom evidence the fact that they are not the Father's
children.

What does that tell us about Mother Teresa and her devotion to Jesus'
mother? Well obviously the reason she was in the habit of addressing
prayers to Mary was because she didn't have the spirit of His son in her
heart; and Teresa knew it too.

"The place of God in my soul is blank-- There is no God in me-- He is not
there-- God does not want me"

People lacking the spirit of His son are not His son's sheep.

Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.

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DEAD she is DEAD and on that day, she like anyone else will be judged according to their works. Ecc. 12:14, Rev. 20:12
 
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She accepted Christ as her Lord and savior every day. It's a requirement for any sister or brother in those orders. Good works do not get anyone to heaven, I completely agree. In fact, "works salvation" apart from the grace of Christ is a heresy condemned by the Church. It's called Pelagianism and that was in the 5th century, yet Catholics are falsely accused of "works righteousness". The myth won't go away.

James 2:24 says "faith without works is dead". Works in the absence of love isn't biblical good works, it's humanitarianism. Biblical good works, ("ergois agathois" , Gk.)
to be authentic, has to flow from the grace of Christ. I think we all agree on that. Obviously, St. Mother Teresa did a lot of good works. How could she have accomplished so much if she did it all without grace, on her own efforts?

Her faith never died, even in her darkest hours, Webers-Home is trying to prove otherwise. Good Christians often get the same experience of spiritual dryness. It doesn't mean God has abandoned them, it means God wants them to grow up.


She kept loving God in her dark night not because of it, but in spite of it. Weber's-Home has let prejudice over-ride reason. He refuses to post the page numbers of his so called quotes because there is more on those pages he doesn't want seen.



Not one of us here know the womans heart,only the Lord did. If she accepted the Lord as her Savior she is in heaven. But if the pope was her Savior, or Mary then I fear she was lost. Im glad you believe that works doesn't get you into heaven. I always say we are saved BY grace FOR good works. If you are saved you ought to want to do good works. If she understood that,and that Christ was her Savior she is in heaven today.
 
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How can one serve two Gods? We cannot serve Mary and God!

The Catholics have been deceived by the Popes to see nothing wrong with Worshiping and serving two Gods.
 

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Teresa was uncommonly perceptive. She was somehow aware that the place
in her soul for God was blank, that there was no God in her; and that He
was not there. I dare say most Christians don't know, nor do they care to
know: preferring instead to leave it up in the air and wait to find out later on
down the road at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
But it is God's wishes that each individual Christian take the initiative to
certify the presence of Christ in their souls now instead of waiting till later.

2Cor 13:5 . . Examine yourselves to see whether you are living in faith.
Test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you? --unless, of
course, you fail the test.

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Its a known fact the Catholics see nothing wrong with Praying to Mary as their God. Even MT Prayed to Mary.
 

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An "expert witness" can be defined as: A witness, who by virtue of
education, training, skill, or experience, is believed to have knowledge in a
particular subject beyond that of the average person, sufficient that others
may officially (and legally) rely upon the witness's specialized (scientific,
technical or other) opinion about an evidence or fact issue within the scope
of their expertise, referred to as the expert opinion, as an assistance to the
fact-finder.

According to God's testimony-- as an expert witness in all matters pertaining
to Christianity --people lacking eternal life are lacking it because they lack
God's son; in other words: they are quite christless; and His testimony
applies to Christians as well as non Christians.

1John 5:11-12 . . This is what God has testified: He has given us eternal
life, and this life is in His son. So whoever has God's son has this life; and
whosoever does not have this life, does not have His son.

How many christless Christians am I talking about? Well, for starters: as of
2014 there were approximately 1.226 billion Roman Catholics worldwide who
were taught that nobody, not even the Pope, obtains eternal life until they
pass on. Well, if 1John 5:11-12 is true-- viz: if God knows what He's talking
about --then all 1.226 billion of those Catholics in 2014 were christless. And
that was a very serious situation.

Rom 8:9 . . Whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to
Christ.

This means that every time a Catholic in 2014 said: "the Lord is my
shepherd" they were saying something about themselves that wasn't true.

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