WHICH Bible "version" Is Authorized By God?
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Watchman Nee has some heretical doctrines. I read most of Spiritual Man, when I was first saved, and I knew something was off. Do not rely upon him for doctrine. I searched long and hard on Google, and all I got was that he never went to Bible school or seminary. It's wonderful that God was able to work though him, in terms of preaching the gospel, but I found no references anywhere to him speaking Greek or Hebrew. I also know that Hebrew and Greek are very hard to learn for Chinese speaking people, because they have no article. (A, the). When I was in seminary, all the Asians dropped out of Greek a few times. There are so many differences between Greek and Hebrew, and English, let alone Chinese.
So I echo tribesman and ask you produce some sources. He may be self taught, but I would just like to see that recorded somewhere, that he really did learn Greek and Hebrew. I read both languages, but I took the languages in seminary, and 2nd year Greek online.
So I echo tribesman and ask you produce some sources. He may be self taught, but I would just like to see that recorded somewhere, that he really did learn Greek and Hebrew. I read both languages, but I took the languages in seminary, and 2nd year Greek online.
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As for the OP, I read Koine Greek and Biblical Hebrew. One of the assignments we had to do was compare the original languages with modern translations. I had the KJV for Hebrew. It actually was quite close to the Hebrew, although I think the Septuagint is a better source of an accurate and early remembering of what the OT really looks like. But then, Hebrew in some ways much more like English in word order, than Greek.
As far as Greek, it is a fact that the KJV translators made a lot of mistakes, especially in grammar and structure. There were only 5 or 6 Greek manuscripts at the time Erasmus translated the Bible to English, and the KJV committee used his versions. The big issue was that English doesn't use cases for nouns and pronouns. So, much is missed, esp. trying to preserve the original order of the words, when the original order does not work in English. So, many mistakes! I'm glad people have found a Bible they like to read, but all the OP stuff is just more KJV nonsense.
By the way, I think we have argued this to death on various threads. I would ask you do a search, find the threads and read them. Then, we won't have to write out why the KJV is NOT the only good translation, you can see what we wrote last year, 5 years and even 10 years ago. Save us the effort of putting up with your nonsense about the KJV Onlyists. Read what you like, I've read many versions of the Bible, including French and German, Greek for the NT and Hebrew for the OT. The only version I could never get through was the KJV. I couldn't get through all the fancy but obsolete language, spelling and grammar.
As far as Greek, it is a fact that the KJV translators made a lot of mistakes, especially in grammar and structure. There were only 5 or 6 Greek manuscripts at the time Erasmus translated the Bible to English, and the KJV committee used his versions. The big issue was that English doesn't use cases for nouns and pronouns. So, much is missed, esp. trying to preserve the original order of the words, when the original order does not work in English. So, many mistakes! I'm glad people have found a Bible they like to read, but all the OP stuff is just more KJV nonsense.
By the way, I think we have argued this to death on various threads. I would ask you do a search, find the threads and read them. Then, we won't have to write out why the KJV is NOT the only good translation, you can see what we wrote last year, 5 years and even 10 years ago. Save us the effort of putting up with your nonsense about the KJV Onlyists. Read what you like, I've read many versions of the Bible, including French and German, Greek for the NT and Hebrew for the OT. The only version I could never get through was the KJV. I couldn't get through all the fancy but obsolete language, spelling and grammar.
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Dont think he was a mason. I dont know that being a mason would have anything to do with ordering a new translation of the Bible.
he was King of England at the time, the reigning monarch of England is actually the representative head of the church of England. They are the offical defender of the faith. Its kinda like RCC with their Pope. Well similar is what I would say.
Anglicans may not agree with me.
Masons have appropriated the Bible (and other books) for their own purposes just like Mormons and other cults have. They are unlikely to have originally comissioned the new version. Also catholics might tell you something different like how evil the KJV is cos its not catholic.
he was King of England at the time, the reigning monarch of England is actually the representative head of the church of England. They are the offical defender of the faith. Its kinda like RCC with their Pope. Well similar is what I would say.
Anglicans may not agree with me.
Masons have appropriated the Bible (and other books) for their own purposes just like Mormons and other cults have. They are unlikely to have originally comissioned the new version. Also catholics might tell you something different like how evil the KJV is cos its not catholic.
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You can read the preface to the KJV to find out why it was translated and why King James commisioned it. A lot of copies have it in the front.
English people just call it the AV (authorised version) because its was the version that was appointed to be read in churches. (the churches of england of course, where they speak english)
They not gonna use the Latin version cos nobody in England really spoke latin. It would have fallen on deaf ears.
English people just call it the AV (authorised version) because its was the version that was appointed to be read in churches. (the churches of england of course, where they speak english)
They not gonna use the Latin version cos nobody in England really spoke latin. It would have fallen on deaf ears.
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I disagree, Watchman Nee And The (Local Church) denied Church order in Bishop, Deacon, all believers were of equal authority, heresy in my opinion.
Nee was nothing more than an extension of the teachings of John N. Darby and the Plymouth Brethren
Wikipedia: Watchman Nee
Nee's seeking to improve his character brought him into close contact with a British missionary Margaret E. Barber who became his teacher and mentor.[12][13] Nee would visit Barber on a weekly basis in order to receive spiritual help. Barber treated Nee as a young learner and frequently administered strict discipline. When she died in 1930, Barber left all of her belongings to Nee
Through Barber, Watchman Nee was introduced to the writings of D.M. Panton, Robert Govett, G.H. Pember, Jessie Penn-Lewis, T. Austin-Sparks, and others. In addition, he acquired books from Plymouth Brethren teachers like John Nelson Darby, William Kelly, and C.H. Mackintosh.[12] Eventually, his personal library encompassed over three thousand titles on church history, spiritual growth, and Bible commentary, and he became intimately familiar with the Bible through diligent study using many different methods. In the early days of his ministry, he is said to have spent one-third of his income on personal needs, one-third to assist others, and the remaining third on spiritual books. He was known for his ability to select, comprehend, discern, and memorize relevant material, and grasp and retain the main points of a book while reading.
Nee derived many of his ideas, including plural eldership, disavowal of a clergy-laity distinction, and worship centered around the Lord's Supper, from the Plymouth Brethren.
Nee was nothing more than an extension of the teachings of John N. Darby and the Plymouth Brethren
Wikipedia: Watchman Nee
Nee's seeking to improve his character brought him into close contact with a British missionary Margaret E. Barber who became his teacher and mentor.[12][13] Nee would visit Barber on a weekly basis in order to receive spiritual help. Barber treated Nee as a young learner and frequently administered strict discipline. When she died in 1930, Barber left all of her belongings to Nee
Through Barber, Watchman Nee was introduced to the writings of D.M. Panton, Robert Govett, G.H. Pember, Jessie Penn-Lewis, T. Austin-Sparks, and others. In addition, he acquired books from Plymouth Brethren teachers like John Nelson Darby, William Kelly, and C.H. Mackintosh.[12] Eventually, his personal library encompassed over three thousand titles on church history, spiritual growth, and Bible commentary, and he became intimately familiar with the Bible through diligent study using many different methods. In the early days of his ministry, he is said to have spent one-third of his income on personal needs, one-third to assist others, and the remaining third on spiritual books. He was known for his ability to select, comprehend, discern, and memorize relevant material, and grasp and retain the main points of a book while reading.
Nee derived many of his ideas, including plural eldership, disavowal of a clergy-laity distinction, and worship centered around the Lord's Supper, from the Plymouth Brethren.
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Watchman Nee was tied to Plymouth Brethren and the teachings of John N. Darby through Margaret Barber his mentor
Nee denied church order in Bishop/Pastor, Deacon, and taught all believers were of the same authority in the (Local Church) movement, heretical in my opinion, the bible speaks clearly on Church order and leadership.
Nee denied church order in Bishop/Pastor, Deacon, and taught all believers were of the same authority in the (Local Church) movement, heretical in my opinion, the bible speaks clearly on Church order and leadership.
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Try finding Matthew 17:21, 18:11, Romans 16:24, Acts 8:37 in the NIV, they are removed, why?
Because the new translations are backed by the corrupt 1% minority of manuscript evidence in the (Alexandrian Text Type)
The KJV is supported by the (Textus Receptus)
NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV, On and On used the Nestle/Aland (Novum Testamentum Graece) Greek Text, created by Adulterers Kurt Aland And His College Student That he married after divorcing his wife (Barbara Nee Ehlers), dont forget Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal, homosexual union supporter (Carlo Maria Martini)
The New Versions Are A Work Of Adulterous Corruption, Kept Silent.
Because the new translations are backed by the corrupt 1% minority of manuscript evidence in the (Alexandrian Text Type)
The KJV is supported by the (Textus Receptus)
NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV, On and On used the Nestle/Aland (Novum Testamentum Graece) Greek Text, created by Adulterers Kurt Aland And His College Student That he married after divorcing his wife (Barbara Nee Ehlers), dont forget Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal, homosexual union supporter (Carlo Maria Martini)
The New Versions Are A Work Of Adulterous Corruption, Kept Silent.
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The very idea that there is one special God authorized translation of the Bible is a distraction. The more time we spend arguing about the specific translation or word choice is wasted time that could be used to inspire non-believers toward God. When those who do not know God see Christians so animated on something that is such a non-issue as this just confirms what many think about us. Here is the plain and simple truth. EVERY translation is just that - a translation. EVERY mainstream group that translates the Bible try to do so with integrity and honesty. If you pick up ANY translation of the Bible you will be able to understand the message of salvation and God's plan for His people. You do notice I used the term 'mainstream' as there are fringe groups who create translations that remove whole sections of scripture. Folks that do that are apostates and those versions are flawed but for the mainstream versions - NIV, RSV, The Message, KJV, whatever - the message is consistent and each can be legitimately used to understand God and the way to salvation. Please spend your energy on something that is actually beneficial to the kingdom.
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The kjv cult loves using psalm 12 out of context.
When you examine the entire psalm because it is a Psalm and should be considered as one context, (not a few verses ripped out for our own personal ideology.) You find this psalm is not about Bible translation, nor the preservation of scripture, but about the preservation of the poor and the needy. Because God had promised to, and his word is pure and that is the assurity.
This is the danger of such an approach to the scriptures; creating a doctrine out of text ripped out of context.
This abuse of the text is proof positive that this doctrine is indeed false.
When you examine the entire psalm because it is a Psalm and should be considered as one context, (not a few verses ripped out for our own personal ideology.) You find this psalm is not about Bible translation, nor the preservation of scripture, but about the preservation of the poor and the needy. Because God had promised to, and his word is pure and that is the assurity.
This is the danger of such an approach to the scriptures; creating a doctrine out of text ripped out of context.
This abuse of the text is proof positive that this doctrine is indeed false.
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