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John146

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I beg to differ.
If we have the holy spirit in us, we do speak the words of God
What does 2 Chronicles 4:22 say? Did the Holy Spirit tell you or did you have to look it up? Not trying to be sarcastic, but we need the words of God so the Holy Spirit can teach us.
 
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WarriorForChrist

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Kill is the correct word. There is a type of killing that is not murder. That is part of loving thy neighbor. No killing. All murder is killing, but not all killing is murder.

Did you notice the NASB totally omitted, "thou shalt not bear false witness"? That's pretty important to me. How does God feel about that? Ironically, that's exactly what the NASB is doing, bearing false witness.
Did you notice the KJV added that? We can play this game all day if you like. You did miss a verse at the end that says "and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
 
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Whatever Bible God drops in yo way!! Ain't everybody got a choice. The Holy Spirit guides us into all truth John 16:13.
 

FlSnookman7

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The gospel can be proclaimed in any language. I can preach the gospel using a tract or even a t-shirt. I can share the gospel through a cartoon. That doesn't make it the pure words of God.
again...So.....God spoke all there is into existence but He can't keep His message pure through different translations??? Cmon man...are you really saying the KJV is God's pure Word? You know it to is a translation, right? What about if it's translated to mandarin or farsi? Stop putting limits on what God can do.
 

FlSnookman7

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What does 2 Chronicles 4:22 say? Did the Holy Spirit tell you or did you have to look it up? Not trying to be sarcastic, but we need the words of God so the Holy Spirit can teach us.
The Holy Spirit is also God and He can teach us by any method He chooses.
 

John146

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LoL who do you think wrote the KJV and edited multiple times? Here is a hint, starts with an M. You are seriously delusional to think God couldn't possibly bless other translations. And there are more errors in the KJV than lets say NASB.
Who wrote the so called originals? Let me give you a hint, it starts with a m...do you trust a murderer like Moses or do you trust God? Do you trust an adulterer like David or do you trust God? Shall I go on?
 

John146

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The Holy Spirit is also God and He can teach us by any method He chooses.
Scripture please? Oh wait, you don't need Scripture. You can say whatever and then claim it was the Holy Spirit talking. Again, my sarcasm is to make a point. The only way I know the Spirit's leading in my life is to compare what I think is the Holy Spirit's leading to the word of God.
 
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WarriorForChrist

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Who wrote the so called originals? Let me give you a hint, it starts with a m...do you trust a murderer like Moses or do you trust God? Do you trust an adulterer like David or do you trust God? Shall I go on?
Ah so you are against anyone who put a pen to paper. So do you think God dropped the KJV out of the heavens and someone happened to pick it up?
 

John146

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again...So.....God spoke all there is into existence but He can't keep His message pure through different translations??? Cmon man...are you really saying the KJV is God's pure Word? You know it to is a translation, right? What about if it's translated to mandarin or farsi? Stop putting limits on what God can do.
Not when they say different things. Words matter to God. Meaning matters to God. One word that should not be used, disqualifies a version from being the word of God. The word of God is never wrong in word or meaning.
 

trofimus

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Not when they say different things. Words matter to God. Meaning matters to God. One word that should not be used, disqualifies a version from being the word of God. The word of God is never wrong in word or meaning.
So KJV is out of game since it used the wrong version of OT and thats why NT and OT quotes differ in this translation quite a lot.

You said "one word that should not be used" - you have sentenced your KJV yourself.
 
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if-we-need-a-certain-THING-to-feel-closer-to-God
has-that-THING-become-an-idol

wether-it-be-a-person-or-a-charm(cross)-or-a-denomination-or-version-of-the-bible,etc,etc.

Just-a-question-

not-a-statement

remembering-what-may-be-an-idol-to-one-person-may-not-be-to-another..

what-if-i-no-longer-had-this-THING

would-my-faith-fail????
 

FlSnookman7

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Scripture please? Oh wait, you don't need Scripture. You can say whatever and then claim it was the Holy Spirit talking. Again, my sarcasm is to make a point. The only way I know the Spirit's leading in my life is to compare what I think is the Holy Spirit's leading to the word of God.
John 14:26 26 [FONT=&quot]But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
There even in the KJV for ya. Shalom.[/FONT]
 

John146

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So KJV is out of game since it used the wrong version of OT and thats why NT and OT quotes differ in this translation quite a lot.

You said "one word that should not be used" - you have sentenced your KJV yourself.
Based upon opinions
 

John146

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John 14:26 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
There even in the KJV for ya. Shalom.
Would you even know that verse without a Bible telling you? Are you saying a believer will automatically know the Bible and all it says? Why the following command, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."


 

FlSnookman7

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Would you even know that verse without a Bible telling you? Are you saying a believer will automatically know the Bible and all it says? Why the following command, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."


I never said any of that all I did was prove what you said was false by showing you a verse.
 

John146

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I never said any of that all I did was prove what you said was false by showing you a verse.
John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

You've got to have read what God has said in order for the Holy Spirit to teach you and bring it to your remembrance.
 

Angela53510

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So John here is a verse where it slightly differs with murder and kill. Which one is right? I'm not a Greek expert so I will allow others who knows more about Greek answer. Does the original word mean to kill or to murder?


Romans 13:9 (NASB)

[SUP]9 [/SUP] For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Romans 13:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Actually, both words are acceptable, but murder is listed first in BAGD or Bauer. In fact, Bauer even lists Romans 13:9 as an example for the word, foneuseis or φονεύσεις, which is the Future Indicative Active, 2nd person, singular.

Paul actually quotes from the Septuagint, not the Hebrew, because the commandments are not listed in the same order as the Hebrew. As far as the difference between kill and murder, I think essentially they are almost the same thing! At least as far as people are concerned. Because if you kill a person, you are murdering them, right? However, in defense of the KJV, perhaps the meaning has changed over 400 years. Maybe kill implied murder? But against the KJV, by using the larger meaning of kill, this has the implication that even the state kills a person as punishment for a crime it is wrong. And killing would also encompass accidental death, unintentional manslaughter because that would be killing and therefore against God's law.

Lots of implications in these words. But as a translator, I would have to go with murder, not kill, at least in modern English.
 
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I'm convinced that KJV-Onlyists are mentally imbalanced.
 
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I think many non-KJVOists do have the KJV on hand.

The whole KJVO-ist garbage, though, sometimes makes me wanna burn my copies of the KJV.
“During the Dark Ages (A.D. 500-1500),
Rome burned Biblesalong with their owners.”

Are you going to try?

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" Gal. 4:16

I see we've got a new radical twist on Galatians 4.

By ~50 A.D. Paul new there would be dissenters on a version of the Bible that would come out some 1550 years later. As a result, he wrote Gal 4:16 to expose non-KJVOist as enemies of the truth.

The more the KJVO-ists reveal themselves, the more disgusting they become.
 
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I'm convinced that KJV-Onlyists are mentally imbalanced.
...they can read news on the internet, books that are newly released, newspapers, comics, Christianchat, etc.

Show them a Bible that is not a KJV, though, and they are suddenly incoherent, incompetent, and illiterate. Some will even whine and ask that people please post using the KJV, being so lazy that they can't look up the passages in their chosen version on their own.

You may be onto something, Tintin.

p.s. - I bet a few KJVO-ists will somehow manage to figure out this is post portrays them in a negative sense, even though I intentionally am not writing in KJV style writing!