Which one of these commandments is okay to break?

[mpaper345]

That is true,the 10 commandments are not done away with,and how can they be since they are moral laws,and we always have to obey moral laws.

The Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,and the 10 commandments are laws of love,to love God and people.

We always have to obey the moral laws of God,and God said we know that we love God if we obey His commandments,and Jesus said if we do not obey His commandments we do not love Him.

The truth is if we do not act like Jesus then we do not love God,for to not act like Jesus is to say that you do not like the way God is which is good.

There are people who claim Christ as Lord but do not want to act like Him,being good all the time,which is to say you do not like Jesus' character,so you are not compatible with Him.

Paul said we do not void out the law but we establish the law.

Everybody has to live up to the law and fulfill the law,which by the flesh we cannot fulfill the law,but by the Spirit we cannot sin,therefore we can fulfill the law.

The Bible says that a Spirit led life will not fulfill the desires of the flesh.A Spirit led life will not sin.

When the Bible says if you are led of the Spirit you are not under the law,it means that if you are led of the Spirit you are not sinning,you are obeying the commandments of God,therefore the law cannot prosecute you.

We always have to obey the moral laws of God,which the 10 commandments are moral laws.

The 10 commandments are not physical but spiritual,for the Bible says the law is holy,just,and good,and spiritual,and are never done away with.

But Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel and nailed them to His cross taking them out of the way,which includes the sabbath days,and in the Old Testament God said with stammering lips and another tongue God will talk to the people in the future,and this is the rest and the refreshing,but a lot will not want to hear that still wanting to go by the Old Testament sabbath that was temporary.

It is now a spiritual rest and when you receive the Spirit you are obeying the sabbath by receiving that spiritual rest where in the Old Testament they received a physical rest,and by the Spirit you can obey the 10 commandments,the sabbath and all the rest.

But like God said some will not want to hear it but believe they still have to obey the Old Testament sabbath.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I believe we should keep the Sabbath. I believe we are not under the Law but we are under grace. All things are lawful for me but all things are not expedient. You need to take it like a holiday of rest and spirituality. We should remember that God rested on the seventh day. I believe the sabbath is Saturday.

 

[Laodicea]

I believe we should keep the Sabbath. I believe we are not under the Law but we are under grace. All things are lawful for me but all things are not expedient. You need to take it like a holiday of rest and spirituality. We should remember that God rested on the seventh day. I believe the sabbath is Saturday.

Amen Saturday is the sabbath. Grace keeps the law, we are saved by grace then we are to keep the law. we are saved for good works not by good works. Our aim is to be like Jesus.

 

[leelee]

isn't the second commandment in the modern age kinda like taking photos?

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

LovingtheLord,


I don't see you making the statement that circumcision should cointinue to be practiced in the church as well as keeping the Sabbath. Circumcision was before the law, established with Abraham, which the scripture says circumcision is an "everlasting covenant" and whomever does not practice it will be "cut off from his people, because he has broken My (God's) covenant. Circumcision was also commanded in the law of Moses. (Genesis 17:13-14)

LovingtheLord...so how come you do not teach to honor the whole law, if the law and the prophets have not ceased once Jesus has fullfilled it???

I think that's an important question you have to ask yourself, and while you are asking yourself...I encourage you to study the scriptures about the fact that we are under a NEW covenant, which has different observances than the OLD. Follow the new covenant that Jesus taught...not the old covenant that came through Moses. We have a better covenant built on better promises. (Hebrews 8:6)

Best wishes in your studies, LovingtheLord

 

[Naphal]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.



1: Thou shalt do no murder

2: Thou shalt not commit adultery

3: Thou shalt not steal

4: Thou shalt not bear false witness

5: Honour thy father and thy mother

6: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself



Christ did not state to keep Saturdays as the Sabbath because it is no longer commanded. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath and because our Sabbath. Here is the perfect opportunity for the Sabbath to be commanded in the New Testament...and it wasn't because it wasn't desired by God for us to have a literal day which was a Sabbath.

 

[Laodicea]

LovingtheLord,


I don't see you making the statement that circumcision should cointinue to be practiced in the church as well as keeping the Sabbath. Circumcision was before the law, established with Abraham, which the scripture says circumcision is an "everlasting covenant" and whomever does not practice it will be "cut off from his people, because he has broken My (God's) covenant. Circumcision was also commanded in the law of Moses. (Genesis 17:13-14)

LovingtheLord...so how come you do not teach to honor the whole law, if the law and the prophets have not ceased once Jesus has fullfilled it???

I think that's an important question you have to ask yourself, and while you are asking yourself...I encourage you to study the scriptures about the fact that we are under a NEW covenant, which has different observances than the OLD. Follow the new covenant that Jesus taught...not the old covenant that came through Moses. We have a better covenant built on better promises. (Hebrews 8:6)

Best wishes in your studies, LovingtheLord

Circumcision was a sign of the covenant which Jesus fulfilled. The sabbath was instituted before sin entered into the world at creation

 

[Laodicea]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.



1: Thou shalt do no murder

2: Thou shalt not commit adultery

3: Thou shalt not steal

4: Thou shalt not bear false witness

5: Honour thy father and thy mother

6: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself



Christ did not state to keep Saturdays as the Sabbath because it is no longer commanded. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath and because our Sabbath. Here is the perfect opportunity for the Sabbath to be commanded in the New Testament...and it wasn't because it wasn't desired by God for us to have a literal day which was a Sabbath.

Also Christ did not mention about not having other gods or idols or taking His name in vain so based on what you said those commandments do not apply either.

 

[Jacob12]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.



1: Thou shalt do no murder

2: Thou shalt not commit adultery

3: Thou shalt not steal

4: Thou shalt not bear false witness

5: Honour thy father and thy mother

6: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself



Christ did not state to keep Saturdays as the Sabbath because it is no longer commanded. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath and because our Sabbath. Here is the perfect opportunity for the Sabbath to be commanded in the New Testament...and it wasn't because it wasn't desired by God for us to have a literal day which was a Sabbath.

First of all Jesus told you in Matthew 5:17-18 He didnt come to destroy the law or the prophets, and that until heaven and earth pass not one jot or tittle would pass from it. Last I checked theres still a heave and an earth. What Christ fulfilled was the sacrificial law which Daniel 9:26-27 told us would happen "and after 62 weeks shall Messiah be cut off"...."he shall cause sacrifice and the oblation to cease". Didnt hear anything about the Sabbath ending, though if u check ur history you'll see who ended that. In fact the Lord said in Leviticus 23:31 "Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute forever throught your generations in all your dwellings". The bible tells us God declares the end from the beginning so I'm pretty sure when he says forever that what he means. And if that isn't enough Zechariah 14:16-18 Shows that after the Lord returns everyone will keep his feast as was supposed from the beginning, or they will will be plauged and have no rain. The bible says Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus is the same yesterday, and today, and forever" And just so you know the Sabbath represents the future day of rest the 1,000 yrs after the first resurrection so who is it that it was done away with?

 

[Naphal]

Either deal with the scriptures posted that prove you wrong, or do as you have here and avoid them.

First of all Jesus told you in Matthew 5:17-18 He didnt come to destroy the law or the prophets, and that until heaven and earth pass not one jot or tittle would pass from it. Last I checked theres still a heave and an earth. What Christ fulfilled was the sacrificial law which Daniel 9:26-27 told us would happen "and after 62 weeks shall Messiah be cut off"...."he shall cause sacrifice and the oblation to cease". Didnt hear anything about the Sabbath ending, though if u check ur history you'll see who ended that. In fact the Lord said in Leviticus 23:31 "Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute forever throught your generations in all your dwellings". The bible tells us God declares the end from the beginning so I'm pretty sure when he says forever that what he means. And if that isn't enough Zechariah 14:16-18 Shows that after the Lord returns everyone will keep his feast as was supposed from the beginning, or they will will be plauged and have no rain. The bible says Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus is the same yesterday, and today, and forever" And just so you know the Sabbath represents the future day of rest the 1,000 yrs after the first resurrection so who is it that it was done away with?

 

[journey41]

1: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

2: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

3: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

4: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

5: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

6: 'You shall not murder.'

7: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

8: 'You shall not steal.'

9: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

10: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

So i ask, which one... you would'nt break the 8th commandment, thou shalf not steal, then why would you break the 4th one 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy'
10 commandments are in order of importance and indeed they are all important and crucial, then why do you break it?

Matthew 23:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,


Matthew 23:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?


Matthew 23:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou Shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.


Matthew 23:38 This is the first and great commandment.


Matthew 23:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shall love thy neighbour as thyself.


Matthew 23:40 On these two commandments HANG all the LAW and prophets.


The sabbath was made for man and not man made for the sabbath. There were slaves in those days as well and everybody got a rest. 1 day. If not they would of been worked to death, even their animals.

In this day and age, people do shiftwork, work weekends, etc. Jesus knew this was going to happen. Why would he put that yoke around our neck to condemn us? If Jesus wanted us to keep the sabbath tradition, he would of instructed so and made it very clear especially if it depended on our salvation. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, and if worship him, then we do it everyday and everyday is holy unto the Lord.

The sabbath tradition was for the Israelites only who were bound by the law, this burden is not placed on the gentiles or none of us would ever get into the kingdom as the Israelites couldn't keep it properly themselves.

As for all the other commandments, we keep them because we love him, and they are basic rules of righteousness. We dont keep because we have to, or because it's written, it's only because we love righteousness. But if we decide to keep the sabbath, then dont do it on your own terms, do it properly because I guarantee you will break it over and over and over and condemn yourself.

 

[Laodicea]

Matthew 23:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,


Matthew 23:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?


Matthew 23:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou Shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.


Matthew 23:38 This is the first and great commandment.


Matthew 23:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shall love thy neighbour as thyself.


Matthew 23:40 On these two commandments HANG all the LAW and prophets.


The sabbath was made for man and not man made for the sabbath. There were slaves in those days as well and everybody got a rest. 1 day. If not they would of been worked to death, even their animals.

In this day and age, people do shiftwork, work weekends, etc. Jesus knew this was going to happen. Why would he put that yoke around our neck to condemn us? If Jesus wanted us to keep the sabbath tradition, he would of instructed so and made it very clear especially if it depended on our salvation. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, and if worship him, then we do it everyday and everyday is holy unto the Lord.

The sabbath tradition was for the Israelites only who were bound by the law, this burden is not placed on the gentiles or none of us would ever get into the kingdom as the Israelites couldn't keep it properly themselves.

As for all the other commandments, we keep them because we love him, and they are basic rules of righteousness. We dont keep because we have to, or because it's written, it's only because we love righteousness. But if we decide to keep the sabbath, then dont do it on your own terms, do it properly because I guarantee you will break it over and over and over and condemn yourself.

The sabbath is not meant to be a burden but a delight
Isaiah 58:13-14
(13) If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
(14) Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

The Pharisees made the sabbath a burden
Matthew 23:4
(4) For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Romans 11 says we are grafted into the vine we become part of Israel then the sabbath is for us.
Romans 11:17
(17) And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Galatians 3:29
(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[journey41]

The sabbath is not meant to be a burden but a delight
Isaiah 58:13-14
(13) If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

That verse is talking about the millenium in the kingdom Lao. We will enter God's rest for a 1000 years. The Lamb will rule. He is Lord of the Sabbath. King of the Kingdom for 1000 years, then he will submit the kingdom back to God when his work is done.

(14) Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

In the kingdom

The Pharisees made the sabbath a burden
Matthew 23:4
(4) For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Yes and man is doing it even now.

Collossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

I'll take this as good advice!

Romans 11 says we are grafted into the vine we become part of Israel then the sabbath is for us.
Romans 11:17
(17) And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Galatians 3:29
(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

That doesnt mean that we are grafted into Israels old traditions. God was tired of their sacrifices and new moons and sabbaths. Thats why he sent Christ. We are grafted into the promises made to the Israelites.

 

[Laodicea]

That verse is talking about the millenium in the kingdom Lao. We will enter God's rest for a 1000 years. The Lamb will rule. He is Lord of the Sabbath. King of the Kingdom for 1000 years, then he will submit the kingdom back to God when his work is done.

No that is talking about now, can you show me some Bible to back this up?

Collossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

I'll take this as good advice!

That does not tell us not to keep the sabbath and it is talking about the ceremonial laws and ceremonial Sabbaths which were done away. It is not talking about the weekly sabbath.

Can you show me one text that says to keep the first day holy as the seventh day sabbath?

 

[notIbutChrist]

isn't the second commandment in the modern age kinda like taking photos?

No, an engraven image is more like a statue, but for the purpose of worshiping them as a God, like the Catholic statues of Mary.

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

LovingtheLord,


I don't see you making the statement that circumcision should cointinue to be practiced in the church as well as keeping the Sabbath. Circumcision was before the law, established with Abraham, which the scripture says circumcision is an "everlasting covenant" and whomever does not practice it will be "cut off from his people, because he has broken My (God's) covenant. Circumcision was also commanded in the law of Moses. (Genesis 17:13-14)

LovingtheLord...so how come you do not teach to honor the whole law, if the law and the prophets have not ceased once Jesus has fullfilled it???

I think that's an important question you have to ask yourself, and while you are asking yourself...I encourage you to study the scriptures about the fact that we are under a NEW covenant, which has different observances than the OLD. Follow the new covenant that Jesus taught...not the old covenant that came through Moses. We have a better covenant built on better promises. (Hebrews 8:6)

Best wishes in your studies, LovingtheLord

Response from Laodicea:

Circumcision was a sign of the covenant which Jesus fulfilled. The sabbath was instituted before sin entered into the world at creation

Laodicea, it wasn't just a sign. It says it's an ETERNAL covenant and who ever did not practice it would be cut off. It's odd how you want to pick and choose things in the OLD covenant to bring into the new.

Anyway...Romans 14:5-8 speaks for itself concerning the Sabbath:

"5 One person esteems [one] day above another; another esteems every day [alike]. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes [it] to the Lord; [fn] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe [it]. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks."

 

[leelee]

No, an engraven image is more like a statue, but for the purpose of worshiping them as a God, like the Catholic statues of Mary.

I knew it meant a statue but i don't tend to carve portaits of people....

 

[777Yeshua777]

Here is the problem with the prevailing view of grace and the Law:

If you are making no effort to observe the Law, then there is no grace.

Romans 3:31, 6:14-16, 7:12, 7:22.

Quoting Colossians 2:16 is a perfect demonstration of having NO IDEA what the Word says. Back up to verse 8. Paul's warning is that philosophy, vain deceit, the traditions of men and the rudiments of the world are being used to persuade these men to CHANGE the Sabbath! Paul is telling them to stick to what they already have.

I am posting a new thread called "Paul Kept the Law." I plan on following up with more. Those of you who think that the Law is not important are going to see that it is.

Certainly, you are saved by faith. But, faith without works is dead. "Works" is the Law. Growing up in your faith is about learning and observing the Law. The Law is what sets the beliver apart.

2 Timothy 2:14-17. The only Scripture Timothy could have studied from his youth was the Law. "Torah" means "instruction." Torah is the instruction in righteousness.

 

[Laodicea]

Anyway...Romans 14:5-8 speaks for itself concerning the Sabbath:

"5 One person esteems [one] day above another; another esteems every day [alike]. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes [it] to the Lord; [fn] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe [it]. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks."

Those verses are referring to our conscience not the sabbath. There is no verse in the Bible that says to keep the first day holy as the sabbath

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

Those verses are referring to our conscience not the sabbath. There is no verse in the Bible that says to keep the first day holy as the sabbath

Exactly, just like there's no verse the new covenant that says to keep the sabbath holy and not count it the same as every other day.

It simply says to observe the day if that's your conviction, or not if that's your conviction. There is no observance of the sabbath commanded in the new covenant.