Actually I agree, I am just curious as why as to why eg is saying it. Everytime someone teaches righteousness he claims that are trying to place the church under the law, and I am 99% sure he is not a sabbath keeper. So although i agree that we should keep the 10 commandment, i am suprised that eg holds this view
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L
What is wrong with it? Do you not agree with the Bible? Also to be under the law means we are not under the condemnation of the law it does not mean we have no law
Romans 8:1-2
(1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:1-2
(1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
What????????????? Are you joking?????????? Of course we are not under the law
But we still are obligated to obey Christ, and to keep His commandments
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Are you just trying to be disagreeable?
Only those that do righteousness are righteous 1 John 3:7
But we still are obligated to obey Christ, and to keep His commandments
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Are you just trying to be disagreeable?
Only those that do righteousness are righteous 1 John 3:7
E
Who said anything about the law. I am just stating what scripture says. The topic is which one of the commands is it ok to break (not concerning salvation I hope). the answer is none. Anyone who thinks they will not suffer from breaking any commans does not know God.
No I am not a perfect keeper of any sabaath. But if I think I do not suffer because of that sin, I would be a fool
No I am not a perfect keeper of any sabaath. But if I think I do not suffer because of that sin, I would be a fool
C
If you are truly saved then why would you want to break them?
Many argue over the role of the moral law (10 commandments) in the life of a New Testament believer. While scripture is clear that we are saved by faith and not by works, when I read the commandments for myself, as a believer in Jesus, they remind me of the character and nature of Christ. Because they remind me of Jesus' love for the father and his love for others then I am inclined to obey the commandments, not because I have to but because I want to so that I might be more like Him.
If wanting to be more like Jesus is wrong then maybe I should repent?
Many argue over the role of the moral law (10 commandments) in the life of a New Testament believer. While scripture is clear that we are saved by faith and not by works, when I read the commandments for myself, as a believer in Jesus, they remind me of the character and nature of Christ. Because they remind me of Jesus' love for the father and his love for others then I am inclined to obey the commandments, not because I have to but because I want to so that I might be more like Him.
If wanting to be more like Jesus is wrong then maybe I should repent?
L
If you are truly saved then why would you want to break them?
Many argue over the role of the moral law (10 commandments) in the life of a New Testament believer. While scripture is clear that we are saved by faith and not by works, when I read the commandments for myself, as a believer in Jesus, they remind me of the character and nature of Christ. Because they remind me of Jesus' love for the father and his love for others then I am inclined to obey the commandments, not because I have to but because I want to so that I might be more like Him.
If wanting to be more like Jesus is wrong then maybe I should repent?
Many argue over the role of the moral law (10 commandments) in the life of a New Testament believer. While scripture is clear that we are saved by faith and not by works, when I read the commandments for myself, as a believer in Jesus, they remind me of the character and nature of Christ. Because they remind me of Jesus' love for the father and his love for others then I am inclined to obey the commandments, not because I have to but because I want to so that I might be more like Him.
If wanting to be more like Jesus is wrong then maybe I should repent?
Rest can be another word for peace or the presence of the LORD,
My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest, Ex. 33:14
Come unto me, all ye that are heavy laden, and I will give you rest, Matt. 11:28–29
We labored that they might enter into his rest, Jacob 1:7 (Heb. 4:1–11).
Whosoever repenteth shall enter into my rest, Alma 12:34
There were an exceedingly great many, who were made pure, and entered into the rest of the Lord, Alma 13:12–16
Paradise is a state of rest, Alma 40:12 (Alma 60:13).
Nothing entereth into his rest save it be those who have washed their garments in my blood, 3 Ne. 27:19
Declare repentance unto this people, that you may rest with them in the kingdom of my Father, D&C 15:6 (D&C 16:6).
Those that die shall rest from all their labors, D&C 59:2 (Rev. 14:13).
The Lord’s rest is the fulness of his glory, D&C 84:24
My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest, Ex. 33:14
Come unto me, all ye that are heavy laden, and I will give you rest, Matt. 11:28–29
We labored that they might enter into his rest, Jacob 1:7 (Heb. 4:1–11).
Whosoever repenteth shall enter into my rest, Alma 12:34
There were an exceedingly great many, who were made pure, and entered into the rest of the Lord, Alma 13:12–16
Paradise is a state of rest, Alma 40:12 (Alma 60:13).
Nothing entereth into his rest save it be those who have washed their garments in my blood, 3 Ne. 27:19
Declare repentance unto this people, that you may rest with them in the kingdom of my Father, D&C 15:6 (D&C 16:6).
Those that die shall rest from all their labors, D&C 59:2 (Rev. 14:13).
The Lord’s rest is the fulness of his glory, D&C 84:24
P
Jesus has the final say: John 14:15 "If ye love me keep my commandments" I have found that Jesus actually raised the bar when it came to the Law, here is one example.
1. Matthew 5:27 You have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit Adultery, but I say unto that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath commited adultery with her already in his heart.
1. Matthew 5:27 You have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit Adultery, but I say unto that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath commited adultery with her already in his heart.
Colossian 16:2 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
I know that nobody can agree on if this means High Sabbaths or the Sabbath day, but my reasoning for posting this verse is more because it shows not to judge someone based on things that are a shadow of Christ.
The Sabbath rest was a shadow of Christ, as well as the Jews entering into the Promised Land. This is spoken about in Hebrews along with many other topics concerning the Law.
Hebrews 3:18-4:11
18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“ So I swore in My wrath,
‘ They shall not enter My rest,’”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“ Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
The author of this book (by tradition assumed to be Paul), stressed to the Hebrew, the ver people the Covenent of the Old Testement and of the Law was made with, that there is more beyond the rest given on the Sabbath, and the rest given to those who entered the Promised Land with Joshua.
This rest is the rest of Christ, and it says that those who have entered this rest have also ceased from their works as God did from His on the Seventh day. It is a fulfillment of this commandment.
There are many other verses in this book and in others descriving the better covenant that was made because of Jesus.
Colossians 2:14 Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us, and He has taken it out of the way having nailed it to the cross
Hebrews 7:22 by so much more Jesus has becom a surety of a better covenant
v6. But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenan, which was established on better promises.
v7. For if the first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second
v13. In that He says "A new covenant", He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away
Speaking of the Law to Timothy, Paul writes this
1 Timothy 1:8 But we know the law is good if one uses it lawfully
v9 knowing this; that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for hte unholy and profane, for murders of father and murderers of mothers, for manslayers
v10 for fornicator, for sodomites, for kinappers, for liears, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine
And according to the Bible, we are counted among the righteous because Christ became our righteousness
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.
And as my last verse, Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contention, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
I know that nobody can agree on if this means High Sabbaths or the Sabbath day, but my reasoning for posting this verse is more because it shows not to judge someone based on things that are a shadow of Christ.
The Sabbath rest was a shadow of Christ, as well as the Jews entering into the Promised Land. This is spoken about in Hebrews along with many other topics concerning the Law.
Hebrews 3:18-4:11
18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“ So I swore in My wrath,
‘ They shall not enter My rest,’”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“ Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
The author of this book (by tradition assumed to be Paul), stressed to the Hebrew, the ver people the Covenent of the Old Testement and of the Law was made with, that there is more beyond the rest given on the Sabbath, and the rest given to those who entered the Promised Land with Joshua.
This rest is the rest of Christ, and it says that those who have entered this rest have also ceased from their works as God did from His on the Seventh day. It is a fulfillment of this commandment.
There are many other verses in this book and in others descriving the better covenant that was made because of Jesus.
Colossians 2:14 Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us, and He has taken it out of the way having nailed it to the cross
Hebrews 7:22 by so much more Jesus has becom a surety of a better covenant
v6. But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenan, which was established on better promises.
v7. For if the first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second
v13. In that He says "A new covenant", He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away
Speaking of the Law to Timothy, Paul writes this
1 Timothy 1:8 But we know the law is good if one uses it lawfully
v9 knowing this; that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for hte unholy and profane, for murders of father and murderers of mothers, for manslayers
v10 for fornicator, for sodomites, for kinappers, for liears, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine
And according to the Bible, we are counted among the righteous because Christ became our righteousness
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.
And as my last verse, Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contention, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
L
Exodus 31:18
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Notice that the 10 commandments were given on two tablets. The first tablet would have had the first four commandments that relate to God. The 2nd would have had the next six that relate to our fellow man.
as i before i once (90's) worked for a company called "ricetec",,,,chocolate bayou tx. we were developing hybrid seed for rice. now i dont work there anymore "my conciounce",,,,,,,, wont let me in the parrable of the tares christ said "while men slept,,,the enemy,,,,,,",,,,,,that is the "enemy"of god,,,,and i didnt want to be his "enemy" although i confess im not his strongest warrior,,,,,,,,,,but "which one dont we break"?????,,,, if we give incorect advive when preaching then we murdered "a spirit",,,we lied,ect. ect.,but while "men slept",,,,well not only is the food we eat hybrid,,, most is g.m.o. everyone in the u.s. ate it today and didnt know it "while men slept",,,,the genetics of these seeds,,,,and the food fed to the livestock,contain "human dna",,"blood',,,,,you couldnt "build up an ammunity" to the pollin from the gmo and hybrid plants so "allergies,became rampent",,"medacin had no affect,,, so the only recorse was to introduce "human dna" to it to so your body could adjust itself to it,,,,,,sounds like i changed the post subject but wait,,,,when you eat and drink and give not thanks you eat damnation,,,,,,,,,but to who???,,,,god spoke of the food "he created",,,,,,,,,but he didnt create the food your eating,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"the beast did,,,,so your giving thanks the the wrong creator"
the romans when they invaded another country "sailed into the beach" and then set the boats on fire,,, this said to the roman soildiers,this is your new home over through it or die and the next soilders will live here,,,,,,,,,they moved inland and as they took city after city they "salted the fields',,,,,,this set fear into the nations they invaded ,,,they new they were there to stay. but to the roman soilders they knew "there was no retreat"