Who are the friends or enemies of the Living God?
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Thanks, Now stop making accusations which you can not prove are true.
Your right, you do nt have to prove anything to me,, You do have to prove your facts when you accuse anyone of anything.
Now, next time you make an accusations against someone based on your hypergrace theory of what they believe, I will bring this up for all to see.. You think you can accuse and do not have to prove your accusations..
When I say hyper grace believers believe such-and-such, that reflects my understanding of what hyper grace doctrine is. Whether all who say they follow hyper grace actually believe that particular such-and-such is irrelevant. It's not an accusation as you're trying to frame it. That's just ridiculous and malevolent.
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1. Have too much to deal with today to worry about tomorrow's future sin. However that one can be misused to allow licentious behaviour.
I actually believe 2& 3. The Bible says that faith is a gift from God and He will mold and keep us.
4 is also true, the flesh is of the world and wars with the spirit but God teaches us self control and how to make our bodies holy temples into God.
5. The law is to lead people to Christ and are signpost to warn people of the pit up ahead if they chose to ignore God's guidance...but God can pull people out of pits of their own failure...however, folks will suffer until He does.
6. Is true legalist are wrong..they make folks follow the,old covenant not the New one Christ made.
7. Nope He chastens His children too.
8. Only God convicts and causes godly sorrow into repentance, Satan condemns and causes worldly sorrow into despair and suicide.
9.lie
10.lie
11.???? No clue what that means
12.lie
13. Add "without the Holy Spirit" and I would agree, but with God all things are possible.
14. Meh long as I am with God, I can be the janitor.
15.what? Not sure what that means
16. I confess and repent of any sins God shows me and trust Him to wash me clean.
Okay thanks for the summary..gotta go my niece and nephew just arrived.
I actually believe 2& 3. The Bible says that faith is a gift from God and He will mold and keep us.
4 is also true, the flesh is of the world and wars with the spirit but God teaches us self control and how to make our bodies holy temples into God.
5. The law is to lead people to Christ and are signpost to warn people of the pit up ahead if they chose to ignore God's guidance...but God can pull people out of pits of their own failure...however, folks will suffer until He does.
6. Is true legalist are wrong..they make folks follow the,old covenant not the New one Christ made.
7. Nope He chastens His children too.
8. Only God convicts and causes godly sorrow into repentance, Satan condemns and causes worldly sorrow into despair and suicide.
9.lie
10.lie
11.???? No clue what that means
12.lie
13. Add "without the Holy Spirit" and I would agree, but with God all things are possible.
14. Meh long as I am with God, I can be the janitor.
15.what? Not sure what that means
16. I confess and repent of any sins God shows me and trust Him to wash me clean.
Okay thanks for the summary..gotta go my niece and nephew just arrived.
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Yeah, And people see what your trying to do here.
Keep it up, all your doing is hurting yourself..
You tend to do this everytime someone asks you to show proof, You act all innocent, Say it is just a silly disagreement (I am sorry, Talking about other people is not just an innocent disagreement, the fact you think it is, just shows your true self) and try to turn it on the one asking you to show proof..
Keep it up, all your doing is hurting yourself..
You tend to do this everytime someone asks you to show proof, You act all innocent, Say it is just a silly disagreement (I am sorry, Talking about other people is not just an innocent disagreement, the fact you think it is, just shows your true self) and try to turn it on the one asking you to show proof..
Ariel - what you have to do with each point is deal with them as a summary point.
The suggestion of doctrines of hyper grace effect these points.
It takes longer to go into each point.
The reason for creating the list was to show the expanse of belief. If it interests people you have to research wider.
It looks like we agree in brief. What I have discovered with many deceptive groups until you lay out their beliefs you do not see the problems properly.
Have a good time with you niece and nephew.
The suggestion of doctrines of hyper grace effect these points.
It takes longer to go into each point.
The reason for creating the list was to show the expanse of belief. If it interests people you have to research wider.
It looks like we agree in brief. What I have discovered with many deceptive groups until you lay out their beliefs you do not see the problems properly.
Have a good time with you niece and nephew.
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ok, this is getting old.
When you express a viewpoint that a person or group believes such and such, and it is wrong, it is called slander. WHat you and I think does not matter, What is truth is what matters, If they believe this, and I say they do not. I am a slanderer, and should be chastened by the church as a slanderer, or at the very least confronted and given a chance to repent of my sin..
But to you. Well we have already seen you do not think some things are sin, when they are.
so please . Stop trying to excuse your sins and making everyone else out to be the bad person.
And please. Put me back on ignore..
You're not "people", so all you're doing is speaking for yourself.
Instead of going round and round with this why don't you just end it by proving that I falsely accuse people about hyper grace, just like I recently proved that you falsely accused me - http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...friends-enemies-living-god-3.html#post2655078.
I'm still waiting for that apology from you.
Instead of going round and round with this why don't you just end it by proving that I falsely accuse people about hyper grace, just like I recently proved that you falsely accused me - http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...friends-enemies-living-god-3.html#post2655078.
I'm still waiting for that apology from you.
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then please peter. As I asked HRFTD, prove that hypergrace believers believe in all of those point.. I want to see from the people themselves that they hold to those points, and take them at face value as you posted..
He said he does not have to prove anything, Will you make the same remark, or will you back your words with proof?
He said he does not have to prove anything, Will you make the same remark, or will you back your words with proof?
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1. You did not prove anything, and as eve others have shown,, All you did was make yourself look bad by trying to show me I was in error.. I asked you to explain further, and I would admit I was wrong, You refused (because you know I am right) so if you want to use that then go ahead.
So either come up with a better example. or keep on with this rant that I need to repent, when it is obvious to most people. You did not prove your point.
2. I said what people say about hypergrace people are lies. Your response as that I did not know what I was talking about, You did (basically you called me a liar)
so prove your point..
or put me on ignore. I am sick of playing kids games..
EG you have failed. Why are you always out to push an agenda.
First you say I understand nothing, then you realise I understand a lot.
This approach is just personal attacks with no integrity.
The other problem you suffer from is you want to be a mouth piece for others but you do not agree with
WOF etc and many in the hyper grace group do as well as health and wealth.
I would suggest you just declare your position and share why you do this.
Otherwise you are just a poser.
It will not surprise me if many end up leaving hyper-grace, because I am sure they are just
following the sweet talkers and the atmosphere. But then was it ever so.
First you say I understand nothing, then you realise I understand a lot.
This approach is just personal attacks with no integrity.
The other problem you suffer from is you want to be a mouth piece for others but you do not agree with
WOF etc and many in the hyper grace group do as well as health and wealth.
I would suggest you just declare your position and share why you do this.
Otherwise you are just a poser.
It will not surprise me if many end up leaving hyper-grace, because I am sure they are just
following the sweet talkers and the atmosphere. But then was it ever so.
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I hear you and would love to hear about your time in Syria.
As you noticed I am a stranger to these threads and only entered your because the Holy Spirit told me it might be edifying and I think God is tired of all the fighting.
I know that I and many other members are actively avoiding the law and grace, hyper grace and legalism threads.
I actually spend most of my time in the prayer forums...this forum should be renamed the battle and destruction forum because it's littered with pointy arrows and blood shed.
Sorry I wasn't here to see your first posts.
This forum needs to be bathed in prayer.
Don't make the mistake that one person speaks for a group...each person is an individual and speak the words from their own hearts.
You will find it more peaceful if you address each person uniquely to what they say and start fresh each day because God works on our hearts.
As you noticed I am a stranger to these threads and only entered your because the Holy Spirit told me it might be edifying and I think God is tired of all the fighting.
I know that I and many other members are actively avoiding the law and grace, hyper grace and legalism threads.
I actually spend most of my time in the prayer forums...this forum should be renamed the battle and destruction forum because it's littered with pointy arrows and blood shed.
Sorry I wasn't here to see your first posts.
This forum needs to be bathed in prayer.
Don't make the mistake that one person speaks for a group...each person is an individual and speak the words from their own hearts.
You will find it more peaceful if you address each person uniquely to what they say and start fresh each day because God works on our hearts.
Let's break down this post, shall we?
False statement #1:
"What is confusing is these kind of mixing of terms. Foolish "love" you are talking about universal forgiveness for sin." -PeterJens
Note that PJ does not provide a quote for his assertion. He simply made it up, whether from a misperception of what was said or a purposeful misleading of the reader. It really does not matter the motivation/reason; what matters is that the statement is FALSE.
True statement #1:
Confusing, non-specific statement #1:
"And "prejudiced hater" wow. That is powerful empty words showing the anger within." -PeterJens
Note that the above statement is designed to make Willie out to be not only a universalist, but an 'angry' universalist, both of which are not true.
True statment #2:
"Love is transformation of the heart from the inside out, that changes who you are." -PeterJens
Confusing, non-specific statement#2:
"As soon as I am painted as a hater of "love" I will always go, what?" -PeterJens
False statement #2:
This has no longer become a discussion of ideas, just slander and accusation, or an attempt at assination [sic]. -PeterJens
Ah, yes, setting himself up for victim/martyrdom status
. Ramping up the drama never hurts, ha.
True statement #3:
Yep. Case in point.
Confusing, non-specific statements ('random mix') #3-8:
"I have noticed it in words like "never" or "majority". I know I have rattled your cages. Do you think God is going to leave it at that? Do you think this world of peace which has been a blessing in the whole of human history will last?
"This is the high mark before the plunge. I doubt many here will survive this plunge, because what you are built on is just sand of the prosperity of your communities. " -PeterJens
Note that PJ has claimed godly authority, that God is going to pick up where he left off. The rest I guess is a shot at perceived prosperity teaching.
I feel so edified by PeterJens, don't Y'all? So built up and well taught by Scriptural truth? Feeling spurred on to good works? (note sarcasm)
To the random reader: Please do not misinterpret the direct nature of this post as harshness. It is intended to examine the continuing methods used by PeterJens to sow discord in the Body of Christ instead of discussing Scriptural concepts using contextual Scripture.
If PeterJens is part of the Body of Christ, this is an exhortation to amend his divisive methods if he feels he has a point to make.
We love you, PeterJens, but you need to stop this passive-aggressive, destructive posting method. It does not reflect godly character.
-JGIG
False statement #1:
"What is confusing is these kind of mixing of terms. Foolish "love" you are talking about universal forgiveness for sin." -PeterJens
Note that PJ does not provide a quote for his assertion. He simply made it up, whether from a misperception of what was said or a purposeful misleading of the reader. It really does not matter the motivation/reason; what matters is that the statement is FALSE.
True statement #1:
"Love is going to the cross to bring salvation to mankind." -PeterJohns
Confusing, non-specific statement #1:
"And "prejudiced hater" wow. That is powerful empty words showing the anger within." -PeterJens
Note that the above statement is designed to make Willie out to be not only a universalist, but an 'angry' universalist, both of which are not true.
True statment #2:
"Love is transformation of the heart from the inside out, that changes who you are." -PeterJens
Confusing, non-specific statement#2:
"As soon as I am painted as a hater of "love" I will always go, what?" -PeterJens
Note that PJ again does not provide a quote where someone has actually "painted him as a hater of 'love'". Did he make that up, too, counting on folks not having the time to look it up? Note that in fact, Willie was speaking of Willie, and his journey into a deeper understanding of the Gospel. Or perhaps PJ seeks to take offense at everything anyone says - even if it was about themselves! Must be so exhausting working that hard to be offended all the time! No wonder he feels like a victim!
False statement #2:
This has no longer become a discussion of ideas, just slander and accusation, or an attempt at assination [sic]. -PeterJens
Ah, yes, setting himself up for victim/martyrdom status
. Ramping up the drama never hurts, ha.
True statement #3:
"But once you resort to the random mix you have already admitted defeat." -PeterJens
Yep. Case in point.
Confusing, non-specific statements ('random mix') #3-8:
"I have noticed it in words like "never" or "majority". I know I have rattled your cages. Do you think God is going to leave it at that? Do you think this world of peace which has been a blessing in the whole of human history will last?
"This is the high mark before the plunge. I doubt many here will survive this plunge, because what you are built on is just sand of the prosperity of your communities. " -PeterJens
Note that PJ has claimed godly authority, that God is going to pick up where he left off. The rest I guess is a shot at perceived prosperity teaching.
I feel so edified by PeterJens, don't Y'all? So built up and well taught by Scriptural truth? Feeling spurred on to good works? (note sarcasm)
To the random reader: Please do not misinterpret the direct nature of this post as harshness. It is intended to examine the continuing methods used by PeterJens to sow discord in the Body of Christ instead of discussing Scriptural concepts using contextual Scripture.
If PeterJens is part of the Body of Christ, this is an exhortation to amend his divisive methods if he feels he has a point to make.
We love you, PeterJens, but you need to stop this passive-aggressive, destructive posting method. It does not reflect godly character.
-JGIG
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You made accusations, I asked you to prove them and I FAILED??
lol..
Please show where I ever said you understand nothing, in the context of NOTHING..
I back my claims, I asked you to back yours, so who is the one lacking integrity?
We are not discussing health and wealth, we are talking about the gospel of grace, I disagree with many of my brothers and sisters on topics outside the gospel. That does not make us enemies.
So please. stick to the topic.
Well God did say in the last days there would be a great falling away and many leave the church, so it would not surprise me either.
I told you {Peter. if you make false accusations against people. I will confront you. I have lived up to what I said, and I will not stop.
so please. Back your accusations with proof.. Or stop making them
lol..
Please show where I ever said you understand nothing, in the context of NOTHING..
I back my claims, I asked you to back yours, so who is the one lacking integrity?
We are not discussing health and wealth, we are talking about the gospel of grace, I disagree with many of my brothers and sisters on topics outside the gospel. That does not make us enemies.
So please. stick to the topic.
Well God did say in the last days there would be a great falling away and many leave the church, so it would not surprise me either.
I told you {Peter. if you make false accusations against people. I will confront you. I have lived up to what I said, and I will not stop.
so please. Back your accusations with proof.. Or stop making them