Who are the heirs of the promises?

[JaumeJ]

Read the Bible as if it is one book, because it is. Believe it, and all those covenants and promises will lead to the One Salvation.


I believe the freedom we have in Messiah releases us from man's structured denominations based on the Bible, while allowing anyone to fellowship with all who love Yeshua for Who and What He is. That is, unless the Holy Spirit has imparted to someone a denomination to which Abraham and Yeshua belonged.

 

[tdrew777]

There are two things here

I will make you a great nation. This speaks ONLy of Israel (it does not even include his other children or their children, only one)

In you (your seed) shall all the nation so of the earth be blessed. ithis includes all. Including Isreal and gentile.

Are unregenerate Jews also a blessing to the earth?

 

[tdrew777]

Concerning the First Covenant...........Jesus fulfilled God's promise to the Nation of Israel...........God did not break His Covenant with the Jews, the Jews broke the Covenant with God.........

Hebrews
8


1 .) Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 .) A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3 .) For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4 .) For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 .) Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 .) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 .) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 .) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 .) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 .) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 .) And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 .) For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 .) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

I see one covenant that was broken, and therefore produced no blessing and all the blessing coming through a second covenant. Is that what you see here?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are unregenerate Jews also a blessing to the earth?

No. And as a nation, if they continue to be unregenerate, they will suffer the sufferings of lev 26. Which is why they are scattered all over the earth in unbelief.

But if they repent of theirs and their fathers sins, as Lev 26 says, They will be restored to the things of the promise to them. and then be a blessing to the earth once again. (I say that lightly, because I am not sure they ever were a blessing, except through Christ.)

 

[tdrew777]

The promises (note that it is plural) given to Abraham were two-fold. There was the promise of birthright and the promise of the Sceptre (race and grace)...

Notice that God promised two distinct things...

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Ntional blessings.

Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Spiritual blessings. As we continue to read we see these blessings refined. Reaffirmation of the birthright...

Gen 15:17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

Gen 17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
Gen 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
Gen 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Now here we see the promises made unconditional...

Gen 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Again, birthright and Sceptre.

Now we see the birthright promise separated from the Sceptre promise...

Gen 48:14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.
Gen 48:15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,
Gen 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
Gen 48:17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
Gen 48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
Gen 48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
Gen 48:20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

The birthright blessings are now conferred on Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) while the Sceptre (the promise of the King of Kings and grace) being placed squarely on Judah...

Gen 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.
Gen 49:9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
Gen 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

and also...

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

There are two promises, race and grace, and the promises to Abraham cannot be understood without recognizing this.

Interesting. How do the promises of race apply to present day Israel?

 

[p_rehbein]

the First Covenant ............ Law ............ was not designed to fulfill the promise of salvation/eternal life (in my opinion). The Law was to bring man under conviction.......to reveal his sinful state......the Law was not unto salvation.

Now, as for the promise of the First Covenant, Jesus was and remains the Promised One ........ and that certainly was fulfilled by God..........the rejection of Jesus by the Jews was the "fault" God found with Israel.....(see vs. 7 and 8)

7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 .) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

the New Covenant, Grace, is the Covenant unto salvation.........again, in my opinion only I suppose...........

Under the First Covenant ......... Law, Gods chosen were the Nation of Israel

Under the New Covenant ........... Grace, Gods chosen are the Church.

this includes ALL who believe in Jesus Christ......the original branches and the grafted in branches........

 

[tdrew777]

the First Covenant ............ Law ............ was not designed to fulfill the promise of salvation/eternal life (in my opinion). The Law was to bring man under conviction.......to reveal his sinful state......the Law was not unto salvation.

Now, as for the promise of the First Covenant, Jesus was and remains the Promised One ........ and that certainly was fulfilled by God..........the rejection of Jesus by the Jews was the "fault" God found with Israel.....(see vs. 7 and 8)

7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 .) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

the New Covenant, Grace, is the Covenant unto salvation.........again, in my opinion only I suppose...........

Under the First Covenant ......... Law, Gods chosen were the Nation of Israel

Under the New Covenant ........... Grace, Gods chosen are the Church.

this includes ALL who believe in Jesus Christ......the original branches and the grafted in branches........

So, present day Israel has no special standing in God's economy, except that they be part of the church?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So, present day Israel has no special standing in God's economy, except that they be part of the church?

this is not new. even under the mosaic covenant. gentiles could be saved, it was not just for Israel.

The problem was. Israel gave what was supposed to be a sign to lead them (and the gentiles they were supposed to be witnessing to, yet failed) to true saving faith.

Thus the NT writers had to continually oppose this faulty doctrine of salvation by works of the old covenant. And this is how they did it.

 

[p_rehbein]

So, present day Israel has no special standing in God's economy, except that they be part of the church?

What God chooses to do with modern day Jews, those who continue to live according to the First Covenant, is surely His choice. What we know from Scripture is that Jesus said............

I am the way, the truth, and the life........no man can come unto the Father but by me.......lest ye be born again.........and......For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him........

As well, even though the Apostle Paul (in speaking of the natural branches - Jews - and grafted in branches - Gentiles) said he believed that all Israel - inferring all Jews would be saved, HE STILL included a disclaimer to this.........

Romans 11:21) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 .) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 .) And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 .) For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 .) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 .) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Even in this teaching, Paul shows that ALL MUST believe in Jesus Christ to receive eternal life........well, in my opinion.....

And remember what Esiais said:

Romans 9:25) As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 .) And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27 .) Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28 .) For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

 

[overcomer2]

I believe its a spiritual Isreal with Jews grafted in. Romans 11 in living Bible explains it perfect:

11 I ask then, has God rejected and deserted his people the Jews? Oh no, not at all. Remember that I myself am a Jew, a descendant of Abraham and a member of Benjamin’s family.[SUP]2-3 [/SUP]No, God has not discarded his own people whom he chose from the very beginning. Do you remember what the Scriptures say about this? Elijah the prophet was complaining to God about the Jews, telling God how they had killed the prophets and torn down God’s altars; Elijah claimed that he was the only one left in all the land who still loved God, and now they were trying to kill him too.[SUP]4 [/SUP]And do you remember how God replied? God said, “No, you are not the only one left. I have seven thousand others besides you who still love me and have not bowed down to idols!”[SUP][a]5 [/SUP]It is the same today. Not all the Jews have turned away from God; there are a few being saved as a result of God’s kindness in choosing them. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And if it is by God’s kindness, then it is not by their being good enough. For in that case the free gift would no longer be free—it isn’t free when it is earned.[SUP]7 [/SUP]So this is the situation: Most of the Jews have not found the favor of God they are looking for. A few have—the ones God has picked out—but the eyes of the others have been blinded. [SUP]8 [/SUP]This is what our Scriptures refer to when they say that God has put them to sleep, shutting their eyes and ears so that they do not understand what we are talking about when we tell them of Christ. And so it is to this very day.[SUP]9 [/SUP]King David spoke of this same thing when he said, “Let their good food and other blessings trap them into thinking all is well between themselves and God. Let these good things boomerang on them and fall back upon their heads to justly crush them. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Let their eyes be dim,” he said, “so that they cannot see, and let them walk bent-backed forever with a heavy load.”[SUP]11 [/SUP]Does this mean that God has rejected his Jewish people forever? Of course not! His purpose was to make his salvation available to the Gentiles, and then the Jews would be jealous and begin to want God’s salvation for themselves. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if the whole world became rich as a result of God’s offer of salvation, when the Jews stumbled over it and turned it down, think how much greater a blessing the world will share in later on when the Jews, too, come to Christ.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]As you know, God has appointed me as a special messenger to you Gentiles. I lay great stress on this and remind the Jews about it as often as I can, [SUP]14 [/SUP]so that if possible I can make them want what you Gentiles have and in that way save some of them. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And how wonderful it will be when they become Christians! When God turned away from them it meant that he turned to the rest of the world to offer his salvation; and now it is even more wonderful when the Jews come to Christ. It will be like dead people coming back to life. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And since Abraham and the prophets are God’s people, their children will be too. For if the roots of the tree are holy, the branches will be too.[SUP]17 [/SUP]But some of these branches from Abraham’s tree, some of the Jews, have been broken off. And you Gentiles who were branches from, we might say, a wild olive tree, were grafted in. So now you, too, receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in God’s rich nourishment of his own special olive tree.[SUP]18 [/SUP]But you must be careful not to brag about being put in to replace the branches that were broken off. Remember that you are important only because you are now a part of God’s tree; you are just a branch, not a root.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]“Well,” you may be saying, “those branches were broken off to make room for me, so I must be pretty good.”[SUP]20 [/SUP]Watch out! Remember that those branches, the Jews, were broken off because they didn’t believe God, and you are there only because you do. Do not be proud; be humble and grateful—and careful. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God did not spare the branches he put there in the first place, he won’t spare you either.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Notice how God is both kind and severe. He is very hard on those who disobey, but very good to you if you continue to love and trust him. But if you don’t, you too will be cut off. [SUP]23 [/SUP]On the other hand, if the Jews leave their unbelief behind them and come back to God, God will graft them back into the tree again. He has the power to do it.[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if God was willing to take you who were so far away from him—being part of a wild olive tree—and graft you into his own good tree—a very unusual thing to do—don’t you see that he will be far more ready to put the Jews back again, who were there in the first place?[SUP]25 [/SUP]I want you to know about this truth from God, dear brothers, so that you will not feel proud and start bragging. Yes, it is true that some of the Jews have set themselves against the Gospel now, but this will last only until all of you Gentiles have come to Christ—those of you who will. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And then all Israel will be saved.Do you remember what the prophets said about this? “There shall come out of Zion a Deliverer, and he shall turn the Jews from all ungodliness. [SUP]27 [/SUP]At that time I will take away their sins, just as I promised.”[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now many of the Jews are enemies of the Gospel. They hate it. But this has been a benefit to you, for it has resulted in God’s giving his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still beloved of God because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For God’s gifts and his call can never be withdrawn; he will never go back on his promises. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Once you were rebels against God, but when the Jews refused his gifts God was merciful to you instead. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And now the Jews are the rebels, but some day they, too, will share in God’s mercy upon you. [SUP]32 [/SUP]For God has given them all up to sin[SUP][b][/SUP] so that he could have mercy upon all alike.

[SUP]33 [/SUP]Oh, what a wonderful God we have! How great are his wisdom and knowledge and riches! How impossible it is for us to understand his decisions and his methods! [SUP]34 [/SUP]For who among us can know the mind of the Lord? Who knows enough to be his counselor and guide? [SUP]35 [/SUP]And who could ever offer to the Lord enough to induce him to act? [SUP]36 [/SUP]For everything comes from God alone. Everything lives by his power, and everything is for his glory. To him be glory evermore.

 

[ChristIsLord229]

The heirs are the saint, not the jews. The jews are not the elect, we are. The jews are antichrist, read john again.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The heirs are the saint, not the jews. The jews are not the elect, we are. The jews are antichrist, read john again.

Rom 11: [SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

How can they be the enemies of the church, yet elect at the same time, unless there is some covenant between them and God which still stands?

 

[overcomer2]

Sorry people that my last post so long I really meant to edit and fix but I'm having issues making posts !!!

 

[svedbygrace]

Who are the heirs of the promises?

Those who belong to Christ , of Abraham's Seed. Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[overcomer2]

Here are my own words:

The Lord loves the Jews however they don't believe, he has blinded them this gives us the gentile the opportunity to come on in. However, if we boast about it how much easier it is to break our branch off then the natural branches(jews). After all the gentile come in then the Jews will too. But read Romans 11. So much better

ta da.

 

[ChristIsLord229]

Did you ever read further into romans??


Romans 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

 

[ChristIsLord229]

Rom 11: [SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

How can they be the enemies of the church, yet elect at the same time, unless there is some covenant between them and God which still stands?

Tell us again how the jews are the elect when they deny the son? He who denies the son has not the father. Its all about faith, not being an antichrist jew

 

[zone]

That speaks of the mosaic covenant. which was a dual covenant. Do this, and I will do that, do not do this, and i will punish you for breaking my covenant.

The abrahamic covenant is a one way covenant, i will. and has two parts.

what 2 parts?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did you ever read further into romans??


Romans 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Further. Do you not mean back?

romans 11: 7 comes long before Romans 11: 28.

They are also talking about 2 different things.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Tell us again how the jews are the elect when they deny the son? He who denies the son has not the father. Its all about faith, not being an antichrist jew

I asked you that question.

how can they be called the elect, and our enemy at the same time.

Paul is the one who stated this as fact not me. So explain why.