Who can add to the finished work of Christ for their salvation?

[Nico07]

Romans 9:20-24, I believe helps with understanding that. You still haven't explained how we are born into this world at enmity with God, we hate Him, our works our filthy rags, we are blinded by sin, we are dead in our transgressions...what does a dead thing do? It must have life first before capable of doing anything.

 

[Nico07]

We can be obedient because of that choice making right we have. Free will. Everyone has a choice to deny/reject Christ or to live for and with Him. You are saying we don't have a desire to be obedient to God unless He is working in us. But what about all of those who are lost? Did God not work within them?

And anything on Ezekiel 36?

 

[JesusMyOnly]

And anything on Ezekiel 36?

Ezekiel 36:21-29 from what I know is that this isn't talking to Christians today. It was directed towards (about the) Jews. It seems to be talking about prophecy around these scriptures.

 

[Nico07]

Ezekiel 36:21-29 from what I know is that this isn't talking to Christians today. It was directed towards (about the) Jews. It seems to be talking about prophecy around these scriptures.

You do understand Jews and Gentiles alike are saved the same way. And that Gentiles are grafted in to Israel. People arent saved differently. I think ultimately the passage might be pointing to new covenant, but think it might also have a minor fulfillment at thst time. Won't teach on that, but it sounds like it.

 

[JesusMyOnly]

You do understand Jews and Gentiles alike are saved the same way. And that Gentiles are grafted in to Israel. People arent saved differently. I think ultimately the passage might be pointing to new covenant, but think it might also have a minor fulfillment at thst time. Won't teach on that, but it sounds like it.

As for you trying to make a connection from that passage in Ezekiel towards the NT in the way that you are doing I'm not sure I'd agree with that. I'd have to read over it more. As for Jews and Gentiles being saved the same way, I believe that is truth. Any and everyone who becomes a Christian becomes a Christian the same way.

 

[Nico07]

As for you trying to make a connection from that passage in Ezekiel towards the NT in the way that you are doing I'm not sure I'd agree with that. I'd have to read over it more. As for Jews and Gentiles being saved the same way, I believe that is truth. Any and everyone who becomes a Christian becomes a Christian the same way.

So if God is talking about saving His people in Ezekiel 36, regardless of the time frame. Since people are save the same way, we look and see it really isn't us but God.

 

[Nico07]

As for you trying to make a connection from that passage in Ezekiel towards the NT in the way that you are doing I'm not sure I'd agree with that. I'd have to read over it more. As for Jews and Gentiles being saved the same way, I believe that is truth. Any and everyone who becomes a Christian becomes a Christian the same way.

I appreciate you looking into it more and thank you for discussing your thoughts on the matter. Hope we can sharpen each other in love and humility!

 

[JaumeJ]

Please read and understand the parable of the wedding guest who came to the wedding in unfit attire.

Are you invited to the wedding? I am, and I will strive to have attire fit for the Wedding of the Lamb. Our clothing is our deeds.

 

[Nico07]

Please read and understand the parable of the wedding guest who came to the wedding in unfit attire.

Are you invited to the wedding? I am, and I will strive to have attire fit for the Wedding of the Lamb. Our clothing is our deeds.

Titus 3:5-7, Romans 11:6

 

[JaumeJ]

Perhaps the entire quote from the Word is necessary.



Mat 22:1
And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

Mat 22:2
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

Mat 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Mat 22:4
Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

Mat 22:5
But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

Mat 22:6
And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

Mat 22:7
But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Mat 22:8
Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

Mat 22:9
Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

Mat 22:10
So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

Mat 22:11
And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

Mat 22:12
And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

Mat 22:13
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Mat 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.

If words from the Master are not sufficient, nothing is.

 

[gb9]

no, the clothing is accepting Christ as savior, the example of the rejection of the invitation is Israel's rejection of Christ as messiah. our works prove salvation. not earn it.

 

[Stephen63]

If you work to receive and maintain your salvation, who is able to boast? You or God?

Not us, for when we're first saved, For God gave us both grace & faith.
Romans 12:3 (KJV) For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Nor afterward either, for God has put the abilities (power) within us to do His will.


Ephesians 2:8-10 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast. [SUP]10[/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

It disgusts me that certain people continually claim verses 8-9, yet totally ignore verse 10 that declares we are to perform the works of God because God Himself places the power & ability to do it. They say, "I can't do anything to please God". That's a cop-out.

Acts 1:1-8 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, [SUP]2 [/SUP]Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: [SUP]3 [/SUP]To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: [SUP]4 [/SUP]And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. [SUP]6 [/SUP]When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? [SUP]7 [/SUP]And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Mark 16:17-18 (KJV) [SUP]17 [/SUP]And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]They shall take up (destroy, do away with) serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Regardless of how someone might try to teach the meaning of the above scriptures, the truth is clear; God has given us power & ability as the Sons of God to do great works for Him. Jesus says, "by their fruits shall ye know them".

Matthew 3:8 (KJV) Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
[HR][/HR]Matthew 3:10 (KJV) And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 7:16 (KJV) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[HR][/HR]Matthew 7:17 (KJV) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 7:18 (KJV) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 7:19 (KJV) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 7:20 (KJV) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 12:33 (KJV) Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 13:23 (KJV) But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 21:43 (KJV) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
[HR][/HR]John 15:8 (KJV) Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
[HR][/HR]John 15:16 (KJV) Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
[HR][/HR]Romans 7:4 (KJV) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
[HR][/HR]2 Corinthians 9:10 (KJV) Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness
[HR][/HR]Galatians 5:22 (KJV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[HR][/HR]Ephesians 5:9 (KJV) (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
[HR][/HR]Philippians 1:11 (KJV) Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
[HR][/HR]Colossians 1:6 (KJV) Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
[HR][/HR]Hebrews 12:11 (KJV) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
[HR][/HR]James 3:17 (KJV) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
[HR][/HR]James 3:18 (KJV) And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

 

[SeaBass]

When Christ said "it is finished", what was finished was the ministry He was sent to earth to accomplish, Jn 4:34, to finish/fulfill the law of Moses replacing it with His NT gospel, Col 2:14; Heb 10:9. What I do not find is where Christ said man's work in obeying the will of God was finished.


If Christ's finished work is all that is necessary to be saved, and Christ died for every man, Heb 2:9, then every man will be saved? If not, why?

 

[Stephen63]

There are certain things said by Jesus (or certain things in the Scriptures in general) that are directed to a group of people and that specific group of people only. I too once believed that this chapter could be directed to all Christians and not just the Apostles. The fruit of the Apostles here was being that they were to go out and to help people become Christians. Jesus is the vine, the Apostles were the branches and the Christians that would be taught by and converted because of the Apostles doctrine were the 'fruit' of the Apostles' work.

If we were to interpret this scripture the way you said, then according to Mark only the eleven apostles should obey the great commission & the rest of us don't need to do anything.

Mark 16:14-18 (NASB95) [SUP]14 [/SUP]Afterward He appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table; and He reproached them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who had seen Him after He had risen. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. [SUP]16 [/SUP]"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. [SUP]17 [/SUP]"These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

 

[gb9]

hey Stephen, you do know that these verses were not in the original manuscripts, right?? I mean, yes many of these things appear in the other Gospels, but the serpent and poison things........ just saying.

 

[Stephen63]

hey Stephen, you do know that these verses were not in the original manuscripts, right?? I mean, yes many of these things appear in the other Gospels, but the serpent and poison things........ just saying.

You DO know that my cited verses can be found in the NASB, which uses the oldest manuscripts, & not the ones the KJV used?