Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

[PlainWord]

I don't agree with your interpretation.

John said this is the last hour because john think that Jesus will come back in his era.

And bible said no body know the time, that why John make mistake in this.

It is last hour, than he said Antichrist come from within, mean he explain the characteristic of Antichrist from his era to end time.

I believe Antichrist is second beast and you too.

And second beast have 2 horn like a lamb/Christ but speak like a dragon.It is parallel with

Went out from us but not one of us.

What is your interpretation of 2 horn like a lamb but speak like a dragon.

Is islam leader like a lamb, or Christ?


Read the statement bellow. Salvation for every human subject to Roman Pontiff/pope?

Salvation is subject to Christ/lamb isn't it?

So Pope has 2 horn like Christ?


For centuries, popes have been making increasingly grandiose claims for their office. Boniface accepts such claims and surrounds himself with theorists who push for even greater privileges. Boniface now carries papal assertions beyond anything seen before. In Unam Sanctam, the pope claims to be head over kings and emperors and to have a lock on salvation. The bull closes with this bald assertion, “Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

The moment Pope Frances or any other Pope starts calling fire down from heaven and doing other miracles will be the moment I admit I am wrong and you are right. But don't hold your breath my friend as it isn't going to happen. The scriptures are clear - read Ezek 27-28, the Man of Sin is Satan come as a man. But Satan doesn't come declaring himself to be a man; he comes declaring to be above everything, showing himself to be God.

Satan declares to be "above all called God or worshiped" that's why its said he has two horns like a lamb, but he speaks a dragon because he orders everyone to worship the first beast (ISIS and friends).

[SUP]13 [/SUP]He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast...

ISIS is the BEAST that cannot be stopped. The whole world is amazed at the horrors of ISIS and that everyone who tries to defeat her fails. ISIS leader, Al-Baghdadi has apocalyptic views. He believes he has been called to bring about the apocalypse. Just as you say the Pope wants everyone to be Catholic, Al-Baghdadi demands everyone be his form of Islamic or he will kill them. The Pope has not ordered the death of anyone, Al-Baghdadi has already killed tens of thousands by beheading, by burning and even now it is rumored he is harvesting and selling human organs from his victims.

 

[Jeff_56]

the destroyer of souls doesn't have to do anything to prove to you that it is anti-christ.
the
ekklesia ever since yahshua walked on earth have had the perfect assurance of yahweh father elohim

that
the anti-christ
cannot deceive them (though it deceives the whole world and is spiritually fornicating and even worse with
all the world's leaders.),
even
though
it is given power to (and has always ) killed them routinely by the millions ever since constantine.

the complete and utter darkness from which rome's power came is finally to be defeated by yahshua,

without a struggle for him - the battle is his, and he wins.

only until then, for now on earth, the brutal and devious and vicious anti-christ papacy destroys lives all

over the globe, just as it always has done, and just as it can do nothing good.

 

[Jackson123]

Then according to you, Catholics are not of us, therefore the Antichrist CANNOT be Catholic, according to you.

Catholic is Babylon religion brother, babylon, worship Mary,as queen of heaven. So I believe Catholic exist before John, but in John time they disguise as a christian that why john said went out from us but not one of us.

The second beast have a horn like a lamb, Catholic is like a christian but speak like a dragon, Muslim is in the plan of salvation, atheist go to heaven.

 

[Jackson123]

You have no passage giving you the locations on your map being mentioned as those who go up against Israel, NONE. These divisions look nice and the Club of Rome sounds nice but it's just noise, it isn't Biblical. Please read which nations are involved again.

Ezek 38:

38 Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh,[SUP][a][/SUP] Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him, [SUP]3 [/SUP]and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. [SUP]4 [/SUP]I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Persia, Ethiopia and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; [SUP]6 [/SUP]Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you.

Now here are those nations on the map. What do they have in common???? They are all ISLAMIC!!!

Don't you talking about 10 horn? it only 7 here.

 

[PlainWord]

The battle describe in Ezek 38-39 occurs at the beginning of the Millennium.

The nations that come against Judah prior to Christ's return are listed here...

Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
Psa 83:5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
Psa 83:6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
Psa 83:7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
Psa 83:8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

Notice that Germany (Assur: Assyria) is joined with them and the give aid to Jordan?

End of Trib, beginning of Mil??? sounds like same time frame to me. I don't see any real distinction.

 

[PlainWord]

Don't you talking about 10 horn? it only 7 here.

10 leaders, not countries. Ten Kings who have no kingdom. Ten Terror Groups. You have two operating inside Israel and one in Lebanon.

 

[Jackson123]

The moment Pope Frances or any other Pope starts calling fire down from heaven and doing other miracles will be the moment I admit I am wrong and you are right. But don't hold your breath my friend as it isn't going to happen. The scriptures are clear - read Ezek 27-28, the Man of Sin is Satan come as a man. But Satan doesn't come declaring himself to be a man; he comes declaring to be above everything, showing himself to be God.

Satan declares to be "above all called God or worshiped" that's why its said he has two horns like a lamb, but he speaks a dragon because he orders everyone to worship the first beast (ISIS and friends).

[SUP]13 [/SUP]He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast...

ISIS is the BEAST that cannot be stopped. The whole world is amazed at the horrors of ISIS and that everyone who tries to defeat her fails. ISIS leader, Al-Baghdadi has apocalyptic views. He believes he has been called to bring about the apocalypse. Just as you say the Pope wants everyone to be Catholic, Al-Baghdadi demands everyone be his form of Islamic or he will kill them. The Pope has not ordered the death of anyone, Al-Baghdadi has already killed tens of thousands by beheading, by burning and even now it is rumored he is harvesting and selling human organs from his victims.

1. The Antichrist make down the fire come from heaven, happen in the last 3.5 years before second coming.

It is John visions. John never see a smart boom, he explain what he said base on his knowledge.


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2. Can you show specific verse why you said Ezek 27 and 28 said Antichrist is satan?

John said they are among us. Do you believe in John time till know satan in form of human go to church as a member or pastor or deacon?

 

[TrueFire]

10 leaders, not countries. Ten Kings who have no kingdom. Ten Terror Groups. You have two operating inside Israel and one in Lebanon.

Those groups are sponsored by governments actually. The 10 horns are the 10 lost tribes of Israel who are still blind.

 

[Jackson123]

10 leaders, not countries. Ten Kings who have no kingdom. Ten Terror Groups. You have two operating inside Israel and one in Lebanon.

So you believe 10 group of Terrorist group i ISIS? ISIS is one group isn't it?

And you believe the leader of ISIS is antichrist? then : 1. Is he like a lamb/Christ? explain why

2. Who is second beast that give a power to first beast? Satan in the form of Human? If so he have to has a name, because human have a name, like Pope Francis or Obama or else.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I am not aware of any prophesy dealing with the Catholic role in the Yugoslav holocaust. If there is one, please share it with me.

Actually Dan 9:26 does not tell us where the Man of Sin arises from. Here's the passage, please point out where the location of the Man of Sin's origin is given.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

The above passage is not very conclusive. There is much debate over this passage. Many think it has already happened. Some think it deals with the end days in Jerusalem. I'm undecided on whether or not the 70th week of Daniel is past or future. I do believe the Man of Sin will enter the Holy Land because Daniel 11 is more clear. However, the order of events don't appear to align with a proclamation of him being "GOD" while in the Holy Land.

Dan 11:29 speaks of the King of the North going south but then verse 30 has him retreating north again. He is showing regard for those who forsake the holy covenant meaning those who do not respect that God gave the Land to the Jews which of course would be Muslims. We then see in verse 31 that he musters forces and they defile the sanctuary fortress, but what sanctuary fortress? We aren't told he is in the Glorious Land until verse 41.

Daniels 70th week can not be a past event, as it corresponds with the rest of the GT scriptures that have not yet taken place. The people of the prince to come is in reference to the man of sin ( aka prince of this world ) will destroy the temple which was done in 70 AD. But the prince of this world did not come at that point because Titus did not stand in the temple and claim to be God, and as a matter of fact he ordered the temple not to be destroyed but his troops did it any way.

 

[Jackson123]

the destroyer of souls doesn't have to do anything to prove to you that it is anti-christ.
the
ekklesia ever since yahshua walked on earth have had the perfect assurance of yahweh father elohim

that
the anti-christ
cannot deceive them (though it deceives the whole world and is spiritually fornicating and even worse with
all the world's leaders.),
even
though
it is given power to (and has always ) killed them routinely by the millions ever since constantine.

the complete and utter darkness from which rome's power came is finally to be defeated by yahshua,

without a struggle for him - the battle is his, and he wins.

only until then, for now on earth, the brutal and devious and vicious anti-christ papacy destroys lives all

over the globe, just as it always has done, and just as it can do nothing good.

Babylon religion like to kill. In the ancient time, they make human sacrifice as a ritual. It was one human kill every ritual.

Now the advance babylon religion wrapped as catholic and the human sacrifice ritual call war, holocaust, kill millions every ritual.

 

[kennethcadwell]

On most part I agree with you brother, but in this look like we have different view.

First beast have authority for 42 months, it mean when second beast in power, the first beast not in power anymore.

Second beast in power for 42 months as well.

I believe in his(second beast) term, the mark of the beast in action, every body that doesn't have the mark of the beast not able to buy or sale.

To my knowledge, the mark of the beast in action on when the Antichrist rule the world.

Yes Antichrist exist since apostle John era. But will not rule the world openly till the last 3,5 years.

And the second beast in office on the last 3.5 years,

Mean second beast is the Antichrist, that has 2 horn like a lamb/Christ but deceiver like dragon.

Where do you get that from that the first beast rules for the first 3 1/2 years and then the second beast rules for the last half of the 3 1/2 years. Revelation 13:11-15 states that the second beast does as the first beast tells him to, and makes the whole world worship the first beast, meaning the first beast is still present and over him. The 42 months mentioned with the first beast is speaking of the Great Tribulation period when the man of sin persecutes and kills Jews and Christians. There is no separation of two different leaders here, as satan will mimic the Godhead trinity with his own false evil trinity; satan, antichrist, false prophet !!!

 

[john832]

End of Trib, beginning of Mil??? sounds like same time frame to me. I don't see any real distinction.

The nations that come against Israel (Psa 83) during the Tribulation do so prior to Christ's second coming. Gog and Magog come against Israel after Christ's return.

 

[Jackson123]

Where do you get that from that the first beast rules for the first 3 1/2 years and then the second beast rules for the last half of the 3 1/2 years. Revelation 13:11-15 states that the second beast does as the first beast tells him to, and makes the whole world worship the first beast, meaning the first beast is still present and over him. The 42 months mentioned with the first beast is speaking of the Great Tribulation period when the man of sin persecutes and kills Jews and Christians. There is no separation of two different leaders here, as satan will mimic the Godhead trinity with his own false evil trinity; satan, antichrist, false prophet !!!

Revelation 13:5

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[a] for forty-two months.


The second beast give the power to first beast, and you believe, me too that second beast is Pope. Pope already in power before the first beast in power, He is in power now but secretly, not openly, till the last 3,5 years.

I believe Vatican rule almost every country now, secretly, most of the presidents is just a puppet,

This article below is one of example how Vatican via knight of Malta infiltrate USA

The CIA - founded by The Knights of Malta and Harry Truman controlled by The Jesuit Superior General


CIA (Founded by Knight of Malta William Donovan) many CIA directors has been a Knight of Malta , and some of them being Skull & Bones members William Casey , H.W Bush , Thomas Braden , G.J Tenet and many more , today its Knight of Malta Leon Panetta.who was jesuit educated on Santa Clara University and there are many many more within the US government who are Jesuit educated and have their Jesuit degrees

Eric Prince from Blackwater (Bloodwater) is a Knight of Malta see how everything falls in its place ? Henry Kissinger Knight of malta , George Soros Knight of malta , Rudolph Guiliani Knight of Malta , George J Tenet Knight of Malta , Rupert Murdoch , Michael Bloomfield , Paul Bremer , H.W.Bush Knight of Malta , Prescot Junior Bush Knight of Malta , Joe Biden , General Casey , General Petreaus , General Peter Pace etc etc Amschel Meier de Rothschild Knight of malta , David Rockefeller Knight of malta , William Casey (CIA) Knight of Malta , Rick Santorum Knight of Malta , Queen Elizabeth II , Nelson Mandela and The List continues ! Look up the Knight of Malta Membership list on Google and see for yourself , Can you people now finally understand how these Masonic labor Zionists are controlled ???? by The CFR and TRILATERAL COMMISSION which are totally controlled by The Archbischop of NY and High jesuit Stephen O'Hare ! First Edward Egan , now Timothy Dolan ! The Archbischop of NY is The HEAD of ALL USA Knights of Malta and Knights of Columbus and the supreme council of the 33rd !!!! Working closely with all the other Archbischops like The Archbischop of Washington controlling The Red Mass (Justice Supreme Courts) and the Blue mass (Police Force) then again all Controlled by The Jesuits of Georgetown and Fordham University , then controlled by The 10 Jesuit Provincials of which Thomas Smolich (cardinal Avery Dulles WAS even more powerful then Thomas Smolich NOW high Jesuit James E. Grummer & High Jesuit Stephen O'Hare (CFR presider)) are the Head of them and then all overseen by The Jesuit Superior Generals ! These are the facts.


Read more at LiveLeak.com - The CIA - founded by The Knights of Malta and Harry Truman controlled by The Jesuit Superior General

 

[john832]

Babylon religion like to kill. In the ancient time, they make human sacrifice as a ritual. It was one human kill every ritual.

Now the advance babylon religion wrapped as catholic and the human sacrifice ritual call war, holocaust, kill millions every ritual.

You forgot the inquisition.

 

[Jackson123]

You forgot the inquisition.

Thank for remind me brother.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Revelation 13:5

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[a] for forty-two months.


The second beast give the power to first beast, and you believe, me too that second beast is Pope. Pope already in power before the first beast in power, He is in power now but secretly, not openly, till the last 3,5 years.

I believe Vatican rule almost every country now, secretly, most of the presidents is just a puppet,

This article below is one of example how Vatican via knight of Malta infiltrate USA

The CIA - founded by The Knights of Malta and Harry Truman controlled by The Jesuit Superior General


CIA (Founded by Knight of Malta William Donovan) many CIA directors has been a Knight of Malta , and some of them being Skull & Bones members William Casey , H.W Bush , Thomas Braden , G.J Tenet and many more , today its Knight of Malta Leon Panetta.who was jesuit educated on Santa Clara University and there are many many more within the US government who are Jesuit educated and have their Jesuit degrees

Eric Prince from Blackwater (Bloodwater) is a Knight of Malta see how everything falls in its place ? Henry Kissinger Knight of malta , George Soros Knight of malta , Rudolph Guiliani Knight of Malta , George J Tenet Knight of Malta , Rupert Murdoch , Michael Bloomfield , Paul Bremer , H.W.Bush Knight of Malta , Prescot Junior Bush Knight of Malta , Joe Biden , General Casey , General Petreaus , General Peter Pace etc etc Amschel Meier de Rothschild Knight of malta , David Rockefeller Knight of malta , William Casey (CIA) Knight of Malta , Rick Santorum Knight of Malta , Queen Elizabeth II , Nelson Mandela and The List continues ! Look up the Knight of Malta Membership list on Google and see for yourself , Can you people now finally understand how these Masonic labor Zionists are controlled ???? by The CFR and TRILATERAL COMMISSION which are totally controlled by The Archbischop of NY and High jesuit Stephen O'Hare ! First Edward Egan , now Timothy Dolan ! The Archbischop of NY is The HEAD of ALL USA Knights of Malta and Knights of Columbus and the supreme council of the 33rd !!!! Working closely with all the other Archbischops like The Archbischop of Washington controlling The Red Mass (Justice Supreme Courts) and the Blue mass (Police Force) then again all Controlled by The Jesuits of Georgetown and Fordham University , then controlled by The 10 Jesuit Provincials of which Thomas Smolich (cardinal Avery Dulles WAS even more powerful then Thomas Smolich NOW high Jesuit James E. Grummer & High Jesuit Stephen O'Hare (CFR presider)) are the Head of them and then all overseen by The Jesuit Superior Generals ! These are the facts.


Read more at LiveLeak.com - The CIA - founded by The Knights of Malta and Harry Truman controlled by The Jesuit Superior General

This does not make him in power over the first beast though, as he does as the first beast tells him to do and makes others worship the first beast that is over him. The political leader (man of sin/first beast), and the religious leader (false prophet/second beast).
The man of sin, aka antichrist, aka son of perdition, aka prince of this world is the first beast, and the second beast is the false prophet. Two separate individuals with leadership roles at the same time of the tribulation period, one being the political leader and the other the religious leader. Man of sin and false prophet are not the same individual.


Look at the comparison now from these two scriptures;


First beast

Revelation 13:6
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.


Parallel scripture


[h=1]2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

( 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 here gives the characteristics of the man of sin/antichrist that matches the first beast in Revelation 13. )[/h]

 

[Jackson123]

This does not make him in power over the first beast though, as he does as the first beast tells him to do and makes others worship the first beast that is over him. The political leader (man of sin/first beast), and the religious leader (false prophet/second beast).
The man of sin, aka antichrist, aka son of perdition, aka prince of this world is the first beast, and the second beast is the false prophet. Two separate individuals with leadership roles at the same time of the tribulation period, one being the political leader and the other the religious leader. Man of sin and false prophet are not the same individual.


Look at the comparison now from these two scriptures;


First beast

Revelation 13:6
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.


Parallel scripture


2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

( 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 here gives the characteristics of the man of sin/antichrist that matches the first beast in Revelation 13. )

1. First beast in power for 42 months.

Revelation 13:5

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[a]for forty-two months.

Mean when second beast in power, first beast not in power anymore.

2. don't you believe Pope is the second beast. Pope have political power because even now he is the leader of the independent country. Vatican is a country.

3. It is little confusing why second beast make people worship first beast, if you think second beast is only exist the last 3.5 years of tribulation.

Pope is exist before even tribulation begin, but not openly in power till the last 3.5 years.

He is in power now and will initiate 7 years peace agreement with Israel.

Antichrist must has 2 horn like a Christ, Muslim not like Christ at all.

 

[djness]

The moment Pope Frances or any other Pope starts calling fire down from heaven and doing other miracles will be the moment I admit I am wrong and you are right. But don't hold your breath my friend as it isn't going to happen. The scriptures are clear - read Ezek 27-28, the Man of Sin is Satan come as a man. But Satan doesn't come declaring himself to be a man; he comes declaring to be above everything, showing himself to be God.

Satan declares to be "above all called God or worshiped" that's why its said he has two horns like a lamb, but he speaks a dragon because he orders everyone to worship the first beast (ISIS and friends).

[SUP]13 [/SUP]He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast...

ISIS is the BEAST that cannot be stopped. The whole world is amazed at the horrors of ISIS and that everyone who tries to defeat her fails. ISIS leader, Al-Baghdadi has apocalyptic views. He believes he has been called to bring about the apocalypse. Just as you say the Pope wants everyone to be Catholic, Al-Baghdadi demands everyone be his form of Islamic or he will kill them. The Pope has not ordered the death of anyone, Al-Baghdadi has already killed tens of thousands by beheading, by burning and even now it is rumored he is harvesting and selling human organs from his victims.

I imagine everyone thought the same about the Germans, their horrors were on par or worse than ISIS and they killed way more than ISIS so far.

 

[Sophia]

Every generation has had it's say in who's Babylon. Why was everyone always wrong?
Because they are all half right.