Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

[Sophia]

Ok, I'm not trying to inflate your ego here, but Wow, are you really this wise?

Short answer: no
Long answer: if there is any wisdom in such things, then it is the wisdom of the Spirit translating truth between two believers, regardless of words or intentions,
because I am very foolish and illogical on my own, and nothing I said hasn't been said before by another.
I also don't stand by what I said as God's truth. His truth is revealed in Scripture, and what I said was not Scripture.

I'll take your compliment as encouragement, but direct all praise to God alone.

 

[JustinFromTwinCities]

God has certainly blessed you with wisdom and I have benefited from it as well. Anyways, I think you pretty much ended this thread in 2 posts.

 

[Sophia]

I think you pretty much ended this thread in 2 posts.

Never! Have you seen how viciously people defend their pet Babylon?
By the morning there will be 3 or 4 posts ignoring what I said, in favor of Rome or Islam or US or Russia.

 

[JustinFromTwinCities]

Never! Have you seen how viciously people defend their pet Babylon?
By the morning there will be 3 or 4 posts ignoring what I said, in favor of Rome or Islam or US or Russia.

Haha true

It is both amazing and frustrating to read God's prophetic words concerning events yet to come. It's ridiculous how perfectly well crafted it is. Could it be anymore specific while at the same time be anymore vague? If I had been born in an earlier point in history I probably would have driven myself crazy trying to figure it all out. But it's so much more than just the prophecy, all of God's word is written for those who hear His voice and seek Him. Hidden truths in plain sight, layer upon layer.

“Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 As soon as they come out in leaf, you see for yourselves and know that the summer is already near. 31 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that the kingdom of God is near."

I am thankful to be alive during this time, it has many unique experiences as well as many unique challenges.

 

[Sophia]

You are not crazy in the least for thinking such things. God has His workers on the ground and the devil has his. You'd be crazy to think otherwise. But you are so right, there are too many people who aren't on the lifeboats to be worrying about the actions of evil men trying to gather riches on this sinking ship.

That image of people looting a sinking ship is pretty powerful.

 

[JustinFromTwinCities]

That image of people looting a sinking ship is pretty powerful.

Praise be to God :-D

 

[PlainWord]

The same spirit that lead Catholic in the past is still in the present and future. The spirit of Antichrist.

You can ignore the past history. Say you apply for loan, the bank will look at you credit history. The teaching about Mary is not change, the teaching about Pope as representative of Christ is not change, They worship idol and it is not change, how you said there is repentance happen?

Recently, 1994 in Rwanda, the catholic leader lead massacre again Anglican. Prove that the spirit of Antichrist still operate there.

Remember Muslim leader doesn't has a horn like lamb, and speak like dragon, deceiver.


Muslim is in the plan of salvation. it is dragon voice.

Atheist go to heaven, it is dragon voice.

Muslim leader has dragon voice but doesn't has 2 horn like lamb/like Christ.

There is no passage that tells us that "THE" Antichrist comes from within. I've said this before. The passage you reference says that "antichrists" plural have come from within.

Every religion (denomination) has it's issues. The Catholic denomination sure has plenty of false doctrines. That's why John wrote a letter to the spirits of each of the 7 main Christian sects. He warned them to change their ways or in some cases they will be subjected to Satan's Great Tribulation.

Satan is coming like a Lamb, like a savior but as we know he is the dragon. The leader of the Beast from the Sea is Muslim because the Beast is Muslim. However, this is not the Man of Sin. The Man of Sin is the Beast from the Earth. This Man of Sin will appeal to the Muslims because he will come from their territory, north of Israel. The Bible is very clear about this.

 

[PlainWord]

I agree I agree, want to add;

Revelation 17:12 World English Bible
"The ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour."


I think one global force with divided zones controlled by 10 kings/zones

I think they will be ten Islamic terror groups.

1) ISIS
2) Al-Queda
3) Boko Haram
4) Al Shabaab
5) Hamas
6) Hezbollah
7) Taliban

etc, etc. Look at the Map of Islam. Then look at which nations/regions are said to be involved in the end times.

We see the same locations given in Ezek 38-39 which also coincide with Daniel 11 and Rev 13.

 

[Jackson123]

There is no passage that tells us that "THE" Antichrist comes from within. I've said this before. The passage you reference says that "antichrists" plural have come from within.

Every religion (denomination) has it's issues. The Catholic denomination sure has plenty of false doctrines. That's why John wrote a letter to the spirits of each of the 7 main Christian sects. He warned them to change their ways or in some cases they will be subjected to Satan's Great Tribulation.

Satan is coming like a Lamb, like a savior but as we know he is the dragon. The leader of the Beast from the Sea is Muslim because the Beast is Muslim. However, this is not the Man of Sin. The Man of Sin is the Beast from the Earth. This Man of Sin will appeal to the Muslims because he will come from their territory, north of Israel. The Bible is very clear about this.

Santa High School basket ball team, and Santo high school basket ball team will compete for California High School competition.

this group of basket ball player is from Santa High school. If not than it is cheating.

That is mean all individual member of this group is From Santa High school.

Same with Antichrists is come from within, if one of them is not than John is cheating.

Also you always forget that second beast has 2 horn like a lamb/Christ. but speak like a dragon. Cheating.

2 verse prof that Antichrist is not Muslim, but Pope.


unless you accused John as a liar.

If one of this group not from Santa Hig

 

[Jackson123]

I believe this is 10 horn

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The 10 Regions of the New World Order

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The Bible Predicts that in the last days, the world would be divided into 10 regions headed up by the Antichrist. The Club of Rome in 1973 proposed that the new global order include dividing the world into 10 economic trading blocks. Today, the European Commission includes a world map on their web site that shows 10 groups of nations, which would be designed to consolidate regional control. The first map of a 10-region division was done by the Club of Rome in their 1973 report “Regionalized and Adaptive Model of the Global World System, and the EC map alters these divisions only slightly based upon changes over several decades of economic growth. Today we are moving towards a new world order that will consist of 10 regions making up all the countries of the world. It appears that the prophecies of the books of Daniel and Revelation are coming true in our time. The revealing of the Antichrist as the world leader cannot be far off! Image: European Commission

 

[Reborn]

I believe that the Man of Sin is none other than Satan himself come as a man. If you study Ezek 27-28 you will see Satan is called the "King of Tyre." Tyre historically is Lebanon which of course is to the north of Israel. Satan comes as a King who claims to be the God, but the real God makes clear that Satan will be a man and will be killed as a man.

The first beast IMO is the radical Islamic army of the North that the Man of Sin will one day lead. I believe ISIS could evolve into this Beast.



Correct, the Son of Perdition, is the only person condemned to hell already. This "son" is Satan as a Man. I really believe this and it totally fits. Satan wants to be God. God had a son who became a man and died on earth. I believe the same will happen to Satan only Satan will not rise again in 3 days as Christ did.



I agree completely. I love your phrase "Islam - hidden in plain sight." This is so true. So many fellow Christians cannot see ISLAM as the Great EVIL, the Great Satanic False Religion as it is hiding right in front of them.



This "another man" will be Satan himself. When he comes, he comes suddenly and with so much attention that the whole world will see and follow after him. Many, many people will think he is their Christ or their Muhammad or whatever they have been waiting for. But they will be deceived. I believe he will have more of a Muslim slant than a Christian slant. He will take over and lead the Beast from the Sea and cause those to "worship" (Serve is a better word) the BEAST from the Sea.



Mystery Babylon is here. It is ISLAM. It is the last in a line of false Satan sun worshiping that goes all the way back to original Babylon and even Egypt. Egypt was the first Beast and the first to enslave Israel. Once God delivered the Children of Israel from Egypt, he took them into the "wilderness" of Saudi Arabia. This is the same exact wilderness where MECCA sits - that Great Harlot City. It was here in Saudi Arabia where Mt. Sinai is located where the 10 Commandments were given and where the Golden Calf was worshiped.

The very first and most important commandment is given here in Exodus 20:

[SUP]2 [/SUP]“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“You shall have no other gods before Me.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; [SUP]5 [/SUP]you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me...

ISLAM worships the Kaaba Stone at Mecca. The Kaaba stone is an image (meteor) fallen from the sky. ISLAM bows down and serves this false image, just as the original Babylonians worshiped an image.

Well, at least we agree on a few things!?
I'd say that's a huge step towards a common idea/answer, (and a rarity) in a debate here?
Thank you for taking the time to respond, PlainWord.

 

[Jackson123]

Look the word control the world by single man, This is Antichrist era where world lead by single man.


Napoleon Bonaparte (Fr. emperor; 1769-1821): “The Jesuits are a military organization, not a religious order. Their chief is a general of an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is power – power in its most despotic exercise – absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single man [Ed.: i.e., the “Black Pope”, the Superior General of the Jesuits]. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms [sic] – and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses…”

 

[PlainWord]

Santa High School basket ball team, and Santo high school basket ball team will compete for California High School competition.

this group of basket ball player is from Santa High school. If not than it is cheating.

That is mean all individual member of this group is From Santa High school.

Same with Antichrists is come from within, if one of them is not than John is cheating.

Also you always forget that second beast has 2 horn like a lamb/Christ. but speak like a dragon. Cheating.

2 verse prof that Antichrist is not Muslim, but Pope.


unless you accused John as a liar.

If one of this group not from Santa Hig

I don't know about High Schools but I do know this. This is what John said:

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. [SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

My interpretation of this is that John first introduces the idea that in the Last Hour the Antichrist will come. That is POINT #1. He then goes on to make the point that his friends and fellow Christians need to not worry about that Last Hour because even now in their day there are many antichrists who have went out from them.

Obviously the BIG AntiChrist is nearly 2,000 years and counting from John's day so that AntiChrist clearly did not come from them. So, did he mean that the BIG AntiChrist will eventually come from them? If so, how can you say the BIG AntiChrist is Catholic? There were no Catholics in John's day and they weren't any for like 200+ years!!

You are a big critical of the Catholic Church. You seem to imply that they are not Christians or even saved because you consider Catholics (and not Islam) as the Great Harlot - the Great False Religion. If you are saying that the Great Evil Mystery Babylon is Catholic and that their pope will be the AntiChrist then certainly, THEY ARE NOT FROM US. Maybe in your mind ISLAM is closer to us than Catholics?

Now, I never said John is a liar. I just look at what he said differently than you because I take the Bible in its entirety looking at every prophesy rather than looking at one passage that can be taken several ways and disregarding the rest which point to ISLAM. Everything points to ISLAM by dear fellow. It has always been about Israel vs. Ishmael!!! Nothing has changed. The enemies have been the same for 4,000 years.

 

[Jackson123]

I don't know about High Schools but I do know this. This is what John said:

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. [SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

My interpretation of this is that John first introduces the idea that in the Last Hour the Antichrist will come. That is POINT #1. He then goes on to make the point that his friends and fellow Christians need to not worry about that Last Hour because even now in their day there are many antichrists who have went out from them.

Obviously the BIG AntiChrist is nearly 2,000 years and counting from John's day so that AntiChrist clearly did not come from them. So, did he mean that the BIG AntiChrist will eventually come from them? If so, how can you say the BIG AntiChrist is Catholic? There were no Catholics in John's day and they weren't any for like 200+ years!!

You are a big critical of the Catholic Church. You seem to imply that they are not Christians or even saved because you consider Catholics (and not Islam) as the Great Harlot - the Great False Religion. If you are saying that the Great Evil Mystery Babylon is Catholic and that their pope will be the AntiChrist then certainly, THEY ARE NOT FROM US. Maybe in your mind ISLAM is closer to us than Catholics?

Now, I never said John is a liar. I just look at what he said differently than you because I take the Bible in its entirety looking at every prophesy rather than looking at one passage that can be taken several ways and disregarding the rest which point to ISLAM. Everything points to ISLAM by dear fellow. It has always been about Israel vs. Ishmael!!! Nothing has changed. The enemies have been the same for 4,000 years.

I don't agree with your interpretation.

John said this is the last hour because john think that Jesus will come back in his era.

And bible said no body know the time, that why John make mistake in this.

It is last hour, than he said Antichrist come from within, mean he explain the characteristic of Antichrist from his era to end time.

I believe Antichrist is second beast and you too.

And second beast have 2 horn like a lamb/Christ but speak like a dragon.It is parallel with

Went out from us but not one of us.

What is your interpretation of 2 horn like a lamb but speak like a dragon.

Is islam leader like a lamb, or Christ?


Read the statement bellow. Salvation for every human subject to Roman Pontiff/pope?

Salvation is subject to Christ/lamb isn't it?

So Pope has 2 horn like Christ?


For centuries, popes have been making increasingly grandiose claims for their office. Boniface accepts such claims and surrounds himself with theorists who push for even greater privileges. Boniface now carries papal assertions beyond anything seen before. In Unam Sanctam, the pope claims to be head over kings and emperors and to have a lock on salvation. The bull closes with this bald assertion, “Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

 

[Jackson123]

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[Jackson123]

I don't know about High Schools but I do know this. This is what John said:

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. [SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

My interpretation of this is that John first introduces the idea that in the Last Hour the Antichrist will come. That is POINT #1. He then goes on to make the point that his friends and fellow Christians need to not worry about that Last Hour because even now in their day there are many antichrists who have went out from them.

Obviously the BIG AntiChrist is nearly 2,000 years and counting from John's day so that AntiChrist clearly did not come from them. So, did he mean that the BIG AntiChrist will eventually come from them? If so, how can you say the BIG AntiChrist is Catholic? There were no Catholics in John's day and they weren't any for like 200+ years!!

You are a big critical of the Catholic Church. You seem to imply that they are not Christians or even saved because you consider Catholics (and not Islam) as the Great Harlot - the Great False Religion. If you are saying that the Great Evil Mystery Babylon is Catholic and that their pope will be the AntiChrist then certainly, THEY ARE NOT FROM US. Maybe in your mind ISLAM is closer to us than Catholics?

Now, I never said John is a liar. I just look at what he said differently than you because I take the Bible in its entirety looking at every prophesy rather than looking at one passage that can be taken several ways and disregarding the rest which point to ISLAM. Everything points to ISLAM by dear fellow. It has always been about Israel vs. Ishmael!!! Nothing has changed. The enemies have been the same for 4,000 years.

You admit there is no catholic in John time, mean you admit that Catholic is not Christian.

You right, Christian not worship idol/statue of Mary, Christian not believe in Purgatory.

Christian did not believe Mary is Queen of heaven. Christian did not believe pray to Mary.

 

[TrueFire]

Babylon the great is the is a now 6000 year collective mindset of civilization under man. Thus the world lies in confusion.

 

[PlainWord]

I believe this is 10 horn

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The 10 Regions of the New World Order

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The Bible Predicts that in the last days, the world would be divided into 10 regions headed up by the Antichrist. The Club of Rome in 1973 proposed that the new global order include dividing the world into 10 economic trading blocks. Today, the European Commission includes a world map on their web site that shows 10 groups of nations, which would be designed to consolidate regional control. The first map of a 10-region division was done by the Club of Rome in their 1973 report “Regionalized and Adaptive Model of the Global World System, and the EC map alters these divisions only slightly based upon changes over several decades of economic growth. Today we are moving towards a new world order that will consist of 10 regions making up all the countries of the world. It appears that the prophecies of the books of Daniel and Revelation are coming true in our time. The revealing of the Antichrist as the world leader cannot be far off! Image: European Commission

You have no passage giving you the locations on your map being mentioned as those who go up against Israel, NONE. These divisions look nice and the Club of Rome sounds nice but it's just noise, it isn't Biblical. Please read which nations are involved again.

Ezek 38:

38 Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh,[SUP][a][/SUP] Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him, [SUP]3 [/SUP]and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. [SUP]4 [/SUP]I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Persia, Ethiopia[SUP][/SUP] and Libya[SUP][/SUP] are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; [SUP]6 [/SUP]Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you.

Now here are those nations on the map. What do they have in common???? They are all ISLAMIC!!!

 

[PlainWord]

You admit there is no catholic in John time, mean you admit that Catholic is not Christian.

You right, Christian not worship idol/statue of Mary, Christian not believe in Purgatory.

Christian did not believe Mary is Queen of heaven. Christian did not believe pray to Mary.

Then according to you, Catholics are not of us, therefore the Antichrist CANNOT be Catholic, according to you.

 

[john832]

You have no passage giving you the locations on your map being mentioned as those who go up against Israel, NONE. These divisions look nice and the Club of Rome sounds nice but it's just noise, it isn't Biblical. Please read which nations are involved again.

Ezek 38:

38 Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh,[SUP][a][/SUP] Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him, [SUP]3 [/SUP]and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. [SUP]4 [/SUP]I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Persia, Ethiopia and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; [SUP]6 [/SUP]Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you.

Now here are those nations on the map. What do they have in common???? They are all ISLAMIC!!!

The battle describe in Ezek 38-39 occurs at the beginning of the Millennium.

The nations that come against Judah prior to Christ's return are listed here...

Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
Psa 83:5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
Psa 83:6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
Psa 83:7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
Psa 83:8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

Notice that Germany (Assur: Assyria) is joined with them and the give aid to Jordan?