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But if you want to believe the "One God" doctrine of Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, and Jews.. over the Christian doctrine of Trinity established and encapsulated in the Nicene Creed, it's your choice. Not believing in the Trinity means you have more in common with a Jew than I do. Who is ignorant? At least I can count..1+1 = 2 :D.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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But if you want to believe the "One God" doctrine of Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, and Jews.. over the Christian doctrine established and encapsulated in the Nicene Creed, it's your choice.
Oh I believe in ONE GOD! It must seem wrong according to the Nicene Creed, I should be believing in three god's! But that would be polythesim, so you stick with your Nicene Creed, and I will believe what the Bible says.
 
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Oh I believe in ONE GOD! It must seem wrong according to the Nicene Creed, I should be believing in three god's! But that would be polythesim, so you stick with your Nicene Creed, and I will believe what the Bible says.
So you are agreeing with the Jew and the synagogue of satan that attempts to discredit and deny the Trinity... oh well so be it... I know one thing for a fact: Christians believe in Trinity.
 
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But if you want to believe the "One God" doctrine of Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, and Jews.. over the Christian doctrine of Trinity established and encapsulated in the Nicene Creed, it's your choice. Not believing in the Trinity means you have more in common with a Jew than I do. Who is ignorant? At least I can count..1+1 = 2 :D.
So you have 2 god's, or three or what?
 
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Two persons, both called God, all together equal to one God.
So next time you hear a Muslim say "there is only one God, and the Trinity is false", ... you can nod your head and say "yes I agree". Cup of Ruin agreeing with satan, WOW.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Two persons, both called God, all together equal to one God.
I thought you said you can count?

So next time you hear a Muslim say "there is only one God, and the Trinity is false", ... you can nod your head and say "yes I agree". Cup of Ruin agreeing with satan, WOW.
Jesus Christ is LORD GOD Almighty, there is no other beside Him.
 
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Two persons, both called God, all together equal to one God.
So next time you hear a Muslim say "there is only one God, and the Trinity is false", ... you can nod your head and say "yes I agree". Cup of Ruin agreeing with satan, WOW.
Cain established the Trinity, that's his religion that he formed East of Eden. The Babylonian Religion is a Trinity.
 
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greatkraw

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Two Thrones and two god's in heaven! you display just total misunderstanding, I could just keep on explaining it to you as I have done, but clearly you choose to remain in ignorance.
there are 2 thrones in heaven
and 3 personages
1 God

1*1*1=1
 
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Church history says that the Trinity is the true doctrine of what the earliest christians believed in.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm



The controversy with the Sabellians in the third century proves conclusively that she would tolerate no deviation from Trinitarian doctrine. Noetus of Smyrna, the originator of the error, was condemned by a local synod, about A.D. 200. Sabellius, who propagated the same heresy at Rome c. A.D. 220, was excommunicated by St. Callistus. It is notorious that the sect made no appeal to tradition: it found Trinitarianism in possession wherever it appeared — at Smyrna, at Rome, in Africa, in Egypt. On the other hand, St. Hippolytus, who combats it in the "Contra Noetum", claims Apostolic tradition for the doctrine of the Catholic Church: "Let us believe, beloved brethren, in accordance with the tradition of the Apostles, that God the Word came down from heaven to the holy Virgin Mary to save man."



The witness of the doxologies is no less striking. The form now universal, "Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost," so clearly expresses the Trinitarian dogma that the Arians found it necessary to deny that it had been in use previous to the time of Flavian of Antioch (Philostorgius, "Hist. eccl.", III, xiii).
It is true that up to the period of the Arian controversy another form, "Glory to the Father, through the Son, in the Holy Spirit," had been more common (cf. Clement's Epistle to the Corinthians 58-59; Justin, First Apology 67). This latter form is indeed perfectly consistent with Trinitarian belief: it, however, expresses not the coequality of the Three Persons, but their operation in regard to man. We live in the Spirit, and through Him we are made partakers in Christ (Galatians 5:25; Romans 8:9); and it is through Christ, as His members, that we are worthy to offer praise to God (Hebrews 13:15).

But there are many passages in the ante-Nicene Fathers which show that the form, "Glory be to the Father and to the Son, and to [with] the Holy Spirit," was also in use.
 
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So you have 2 god's, or three or what?
Answer me honestly. You have a human spirit, a human soul and a human body and each one has a specific function. Even with their specific functions they only reveal one person, YOU! If that is true, why is the Godhead any different? The Godhead is simply three persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) making up one essence, GOD! Were we not created and made in the image and likeness of God or shall we say Godhead?
 
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The Babylonian Religion is a Trinity.
Who are the ones denying the Trinity today? Is it not Jews and Muslims? You'd have to ask yourself then..whether your believing in the right thing.. as you are agreeing with Jews and Muslims. To be Christian is to believe in the Trinity.
 

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THERE IS A GOD THE FATHER WHO IS SPIRIT
WHEN A PORTION OF HIM BECOMES FLESH.......THE WORD
WHICH IS SPOKEN BY THE FATHER WHO IS SPIRIT
REPRESENTS
A REFLECTION OF THE SAME GOD IN 2 CAPACITIES
THEY ARE NOT SEPARATE PERSONS
BECAUSE
THE FATHER WHO IS SPIRIT
WHOSE
SPIRIT HIMSELF IS HOLY
IS STILL DWELLING IN THE FLESH
SPOKEN INTO EXISTENCE FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF
OUR RECOGNITION AND DEATH FOR OUR SALVATION
IT IS THE SAME GOD
NEVER SEPARATED
BUT ONLY
REPRESENTED IN MANY FACETS

EXAMPLE
THE SAME SPIRIT OF THE FATHER AND SPOKEN WORD
WHICH ARE ONE AND THE SAME
IS THAT SAME SPIRIT THAT IS DWELLING IN US NOW
CALLED THE HOLY GHOST

HERE IS AN EXAMPLE THAT IS CLEARER TO MY DEFINITION
AS YOU READ THE WORDS I TYPE
IT IS THE WORDS I AM SPEAKING INTO LIFE SO YOU CAN READ
THESE WORDS REPRESENT ME
NOW
THE WORDS THAT YOU READ
AND THE MAN WHO IS TYPING THESE WORDS
FOR YOU TO READ
ARE NOT 2 SEPARATE PERSONS
WE ARE THE SAME
BUT
THIS IS HOW I CAN INTERACT WITH YOU
BUT STILL
MY WORDS AND MYSELF
ARE STILL ONE AND THE SAME

THIS IS HOW IT IS WITH GOD

There are at least two instances in the Bible where the three members of the trinity are mentioned together.

1 Peter 1: 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Jude 20 But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. 21 Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Why would they have to be mentioned separately in the same verse, if they were not distinct identities?

And yet they are one.

Isaiah 9: 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

What you are preaching is Modalism. In order to believe as you do, you must deny the personal relationships within the Trinity that are abundant in Scripture.

For example, you must deny that at the baptism of Jesus, that the Father speaks to Jesus from heaven, and the Spirit descinds on Him like a dove.

And you must deny that Jesus ever prayed to a Father in heaven.

You must deny that Jesus, or the Holy Spirit intercedes for us to the Father.

And ultimately, you must deny the atonement or the idea that Jesus was sent by God to be a substitutionary sacrifice for our sins and that God saw the suffering of Jesus and His wrath was satisfied.

Finally, you must deny God's independence. For if God is only one person, then He would have no ability to love or communicate without other persons in His creation. That would make God dependent on His creation for those aspects of His character.
 
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Cain established the Trinity, that's his religion that he formed East of Eden. The Babylonian Religion is a Trinity.
Do you deny the eternal Son of God?
 
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shad

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Cain established the Trinity, that's his religion that he formed East of Eden. The Babylonian Religion is a Trinity.

Because the Trinity is such an important part of later Christian doctrine, it is striking that the term does not appear in the New Testament. Likewise, the developed concept of three coequal partners in the Godhead found in later creedal formulations cannot be clearly detected within the confines of the canon. UNTRUE

But nowhere do we find any Trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead. THERE ARE MANY PLACES IN SCRIPTURE
All Pagan religions from the time of Babylon have adopted in one form or another a Trinity doctrine or a triad or trinity of gods. In Babylon it was Nimrod, Semiramas, and Tammuz. In Egypt it was Osiris, Isis, and Horus. THESE ARE COUNTERFEIT TRINITY GODHEADS

Satan has always desired to be like the Most High and to ascend his throne. He realizes that he could not do that in heaven, so he has established his godhead here on the earth as the god of this world / 2Cor 4:4 and the prince and power of the air / Eph 2:2. Satan has witnessed and understands keenly the Godhead in heaven and has established a counterfeit on the earth that Babylon and Egypt represent with their trinity of gods. The Godhead in heaven of Father/ 1Cor 8:6, Son/ Jn 1:1-4,14 and Holy Spirit/ Acts 5:3,4 has always existed because it is uncreated eternal life. We don't get our understanding of the eternal Godhead in heaven through a satanic counterfeit. That is the deception that has been projected and infused into the minds and hearts of many theologians that believe that the doctrine of the trinity is a pagan doctrine. Satan has successfully established this kind of thinking in many segments of the church, starting with the early church, to cause confusion, strife, division, false doctrine and many evil works.

The Godhead in heaven is the trinity that reveals ONE GOD. The godhead on earth is a counterfeit trinity that reveals multiple gods that Satan has established for his own purpose to be worshiped, to ascend and be like the Most High. This is a devise of Satan that we are not to be ignorant of, less he take advantage of us / 2Cor 2:11. This is the mystery of iniquity that is already at work / 2Thes 2:7. The consummation of this counterfeit and wicked trinity will be brought to pass during the Great Tribulation, through the Dragon (Satan / False God), the 1st Beast (Antichrist / False Christ) and the 2nd Beast (Prophet / False Spirit) of Revelation 13.

Conclusion - The Godhead or Trinity in heaven was, and is, and always will be the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Anything else is a counterfeit and false and should be rejected. We worship God is the Spirit through what the Son did on the cross who was sent by the Father. When we believe, the Father accepts us on the basis of the blood that His Son shed and the Holy Spirit comes to dwell within us to reveal the Father and the Son. There is one Father, one Son and one Spirit that reveal ONE GOD, who is above all and in all who believe.
 
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Nice post, Shad
 
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charisenexcelcis

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dexios actually in Koine Greek never means direction, dexia does, when the Bible uses dexios the meaning is as saying approved, correct, right! Our English word 'Right' has a double meaning it means correct and a direction.
You can't even congegate dexios..You are not qualified to make such a sure statement.
 
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ChristsArmorBearer

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Actually the Babalonians believed in many gods. Their religion was derived from the Sumerians / Chaldians (the forefathers of Abraham) which is thought to be the oldest "religion" know to man. If I recall their were nine gods total, seven classified as Elder Gods and two as Ancient Ones.

Oddly enough when you really dig deep to the heart of this religion you will find out that these "gods" were actually humans. It is conceivable that the oldest of which, the Ancient Ones, were Adam and Eve - that is after your wipe away all the mysticism.
 
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dexios actually in Koine Greek never means direction, dexia does, when the Bible uses dexios the meaning is as saying approved, correct, right! Our English word 'Right' has a double meaning it means correct and a direction.

Cup, dexia means right hand - hence dextrous
 
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Here is the verse which the Holy Spirit brought to my remembrance about those who deny the special Trinitarian relationship between Father and Son:

1Jn 2:22 ......... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


Gill (1697-1771 ) writes (relevant parts in bold):


He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son: that denies the Father of Christ to be the Creator of the world, but asserts that it was made by angels, as some ancient heretics did; or that the Father of Christ is not the God of the Old Testament, as Marcion; or that denies that God is the Father of Christ, and that Christ is the Son of God; who will not allow that there is any such relation in nature between them; who affirm that Christ is only the Son of God by adoption, or because of his love to him, or because of his incarnation and resurrection from the dead; or that he is not his true and proper Son, only in a figurative and metaphorical sense; that he is not the natural and eternally begotten Son of God, only by office, and as Mediator, and that God is only his Father, as having installed him into an office; or he that denies that these two are distinct from each other, but affirms that Father is the Son, and the Son is the Father, and so confounds them both, and, by confounding both, denies that there are either Father or Son; and all such persons are antichrists, or opposers of Christ.
 
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Cup, dexia means right hand - hence dextrous
dexia does mean right in the directional sense, however as i explained in reply #289, the scripture uses the Greek dexios for the said verse, which does not indicate direction.

dextrous means skillful, acuteness of mind, physical prowess.

The root meaning of dexious is dechomai which means to take hold of, greet, recieve, embrace.

The right of an army - Xenophon - dexios - Liddel & Scott.

I have rights to you know, so do you, its our RIGHT! Dexios.