Who is Jesus Christ in this verse and why they call him The Everlasting Father?

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Reading of The Bible scriptures requires close attention! First; The Bibles which are now in use, are mans' works. They, are not the original text. Anytime that mankind makes a writing on Bible scriptures, some error creeps in by default!
It requires the gift from The Spirit of The Elohm to keep close to what was originally written. How many translations are there Today of The Text? Many !
Each had Its' own errors built in. Nonetheless, there is still much to be learned from That Book. Just bear in mind, that IT is not the original writing.
This Writer has over some 60 or more years, depended on The Spirit of The Elohim to guide Me in what I learn, and Write. That has lead Me to much spiritual understanding.
I wrote the above just to inform those who may read any of My post here, to better understand My thinking.

DeepSeeker
Thank you, yes the only inherent translation is the Greek writing from the Disciples and Paul who was Saul. Originally written in Greek
Therefore I have sought truth from what we have in English unto Father to reveal his love and mercy to me as in Luke 21:14-15, and Matthew 10:16-20
As well as Phil 3:1-20. In process learning too, and have made a million and some more
I, God just love you all
 
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[QUOTE="GWH, post: 5521893, member: 334064

"Thanks DS, you made my day, because learning GW has indeed taken lifelong (50+ years) work,
and it is so disappointing/discouraging when fellow Christians disagree with insights, I believe God has given,
although it keeps us humble![

YES, I know what You mean. I too, Have spent My lifetime doing the same. I started when I learned how to read. Of course, I did not understand what I was reading at that Time. However, looking back, I now understand that God has put Me here at My birth for His purpose!

I remember asking My Mother at a very early age: What time of the Day was I born? She replied: "early in the Day, Just as it was getting light. It took Me many years to look back on that and understand what It meant! Now I do!
Considering that Event, has changed the way I view My life now. That Being some 88 yrs. of It.

DeepSeeker
 
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#43
The One Book in The Bible that has most likely suffered the most misuse, is The Book Of Revelation.
So many people ignore the opening verses of Whom It was written for! Read the introduction!
Are We Today Bond Servants? Are we of the Churches mention in Revelation? Is the conditions given in That Writing the same as Today?
The answer of course is, NO!
Yet people still take what was written To THEM, and apply It to Today. IS there anything in That Writing that may help Bible Students Today? Yes, BUT, Keep It in Its place!

DeepSeeker
 
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Anytime that mankind makes a writing on Bible scriptures, some error creeps in by default!
every word in the scriptures, even in the original languages, was written by man.

only the tablets of Moses, the wall of king Belshazarr, and the dust in which Christ put His finger, in all of scripture, we're written by God Himself - but the record of the first two were transcribed byam and the third was not transcribed at all.

yes there are also the 5 books of life and judgement - and we also aren't told what is written in them. and God also writes our new names on white stones - - hidden things, that no man can know. these exist; that's important

but look, even in Aramaic, in Hebrew, and in Greek, it was man writing God's Word. Jesus never put stylus to papyrus. so the moment you say, all scripture is suspect and subject to your personal spirit as far as "what it should say"....

.. well my friend please do not forget the translators of the major English actual-translations ((not modern paraphrases)) were also Christian and have the same claim to the Spirit of discernment you do, but on top of that they also have decades upon decades of devotion to study of languages and interpretation - - some studied Hebrew and Greek for over 50 years. Many were native speakers. None of them were totally without education but armed with internet. how do you compare?

God willed it that His word should be transmitted through humans and in earthly language. asking can we trust it because it involved mankind, and then ourselves, humans, thinking we know better, is highly suspicious.


but at the same time - - the tower of Babel is real.
every time anything is translated from one language to another, either information is lost because the target language is less complex and/or doesn't share all the same nuance, or information is artificially added for the inverse reasons.
so yes there is that. real study at the deepest levels requires intimate, fluent knowledge of the original languages and discerning study of the available manuscript evidence - - and overall is Spirit led.

but the Spirit told exactly one person the truth today but no one else in the last 2000 years? and every leaned man for a thousand years missed some obvious thing, but a complete novice that had trouble swallowing the astounding things they read, saw it? be very, very skeptical of any such thought. the scripture is full of mystery and things beyond human understanding - we should expect that: it's the word of infinite God

the Bereans were noble because they examined everything carefully, not because they rejected those who went before them whenever convenient
 
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only the tablets of Moses, the wall of king Belshazarr, and the dust in which Christ put His finger, in all of scripture, we're written by God Himself
unless i forget something?

@DeepSeeker brother i am not kjv-only. but if my kjv-only brothers drilled one thing in to me, it is to respect the Word of God as it was passed down to us by His will, and be very very careful when you think to edit the text in front of you

that's all i mean to say with my reply - -
sei vorsichtig!
 
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i worry that people say to themselves,
i have the Spirit and the Bible shouldn't say that,
whenever they come to a difficult passage, and just create for theselves their own Bible of their own ego.

@DeepSeeker not accusing you. just being careful (y)
 

Pilgrimshope

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#47
every word in the scriptures, even in the original languages, was written by man.

only the tablets of Moses, the wall of king Belshazarr, and the dust in which Christ put His finger, in all of scripture, we're written by God Himself - but the record of the first two were transcribed byam and the third was not transcribed at all.

yes there are also the 5 books of life and judgement - and we also aren't told what is written in them. and God also writes our new names on white stones - - hidden things, that no man can know. these exist; that's important

but look, even in Aramaic, in Hebrew, and in Greek, it was man writing God's Word. Jesus never put stylus to papyrus. so the moment you say, all scripture is suspect and subject to your personal spirit as far as "what it should say"....

.. well my friend please do not forget the translators of the major English actual-translations ((not modern paraphrases)) were also Christian and have the same claim to the Spirit of discernment you do, but on top of that they also have decades upon decades of devotion to study of languages and interpretation - - some studied Hebrew and Greek for over 50 years. Many were native speakers. None of them were totally without education but armed with internet. how do you compare?

God willed it that His word should be transmitted through humans and in earthly language. asking can we trust it because it involved mankind, and then ourselves, humans, thinking we know better, is highly suspicious.


but at the same time - - the tower of Babel is real.
every time anything is translated from one language to another, either information is lost because the target language is less complex and/or doesn't share all the same nuance, or information is artificially added for the inverse reasons.
so yes there is that. real study at the deepest levels requires intimate, fluent knowledge of the original languages and discerning study of the available manuscript evidence - - and overall is Spirit led.

but the Spirit told exactly one person the truth today but no one else in the last 2000 years? and every leaned man for a thousand years missed some obvious thing, but a complete novice that had trouble swallowing the astounding things they read, saw it? be very, very skeptical of any such thought. the scripture is full of mystery and things beyond human understanding - we should expect that: it's the word of infinite God

the Bereans were noble because they examined everything carefully, not because they rejected those who went before them whenever convenient
Amen

“knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Godsgood

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ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
What is the relations of the following verses with regards to Jesus as The Everlasting Father?

JOHN 8:56-58
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

JOHN 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.

JOHN 14:8-9
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?