Who Is Matt 24 Addressed To?

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I agree with you up to the end of Daniel 9:26. I believe that verse 27 is still to come. The daily sacrifice to be curtailed is most likely prayer because the temple will need to be rebuilt first or where will the second Beast from Revelations reign from?
Daniel's temple is not a man built temple. Look at the proportions, and the fact there is no directive to build, and the fact that a river flows out from it. That river then waters tree that make fruit monthly, and the water desalinates the seas. This is not possible not by human hands.

Y'all have to understand that any attempt to reinstate the temple system, is an assault on the crucifixion of Jesus. Any temple that humans built now would be an affront to Christ.
 

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Daniel's temple is not a man built temple. Look at the proportions, and the fact there is no directive to build, and the fact that a river flows out from it. That river then waters tree that make fruit monthly, and the water desalinates the seas. This is not possible not by human hands.

Y'all have to understand that any attempt to reinstate the temple system, is an assault on the crucifixion of Jesus. Any temple that humans built now would be an affront to Christ.
Oh, I've realized the second paragraph is true from the get-go but I never thought it would be a place that would glorify the Lord rather the second beast that is still to come and declare himself to be God after the first 3.5 years of the trib has passed. When the mark of the beast will be issued. I will admit prophecy is not and never has been my main focus. I'm less than an amateur on the subject.
 
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#43
I agree with you up to the end of Daniel 9:26. I believe that verse 27 is still to come. The daily sacrifice to be curtailed is most likely prayer because the temple will need to be rebuilt first or where will the second Beast from Revelations reign from?
Amen. If anything we are in the nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom aspect (or as Daniel 9 said war desolations which will
Continue for a time determined)
 
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#44
Oh, I've realized the second paragraph is true from the get-go but I never thought it would be a place that would glorify the Lord rather the second beast that is still to come and declare himself to be God after the first 3.5 years of the trib has passed. When the mark of the beast will be issued. I will admit prophecy is not and never has been my main focus. I'm less than an amateur on the subject.
I'm no prophecy expert either. I'm less than amateur as well. There are just some things we know by the context.
 

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Amen. If anything we are in the nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom aspect (or as Daniel 9 said war desolations which will
Continue for a time determined)
I get's confusing and frightening to me because some websites proclaim (some with pride) that the US is a partial sponsor. To me that would indicate that we (as a nation) should share in the destruction that is to come. While other sites more or less report that there's nothing to report. Thus pardon the expression 'fake news'.

I can clearly see how the USA may be the Great prostitute. We will either arrive there by air or sea. Many Christian Americans' and Nationalists can't see how we can be the Great Prostitute or that we (as an earthy nation) have already sold out. Every fake religion, homosexuality, child sacrifice (abortion), sorcery (drugs), Idolatry (money) and atheists (all atheists are true but minor, antichrists). All are not only allowed but embraced and protected here in the USA. Even here (on CC) I've been called a 'religious fanatic' for trying to explain what I'm repeating to you all, here and now.

As followers of the the one and only true Christ, I can't see how we can share our commitment to him with any nation simultaneously. As the Bride of Christ, I would think that is grounds for divorce according to Levitical law. It's spiritual adultery. But what do I know? I'm not ordained by man nor do I have a degree or even a radio program from which to spout blasphemous, heretical, religious lies. I'm just a crazy old man.
 

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#46
I'm no prophecy expert either. I'm less than amateur as well. There are just some things we know by the context.
My main focus has been, crisis counseling, drug and alcohol education, as well homeless counseling and ex-convict re-entry (to normal unsupervised life). I was also a co-chairman of the "Dual Recovery Anonymous," Scrambled Eggs" group in Long Beach CA. Which served people suffering from substance abuse combined with mental illness. I also volunteered at L.A. County dept. of mental health, joined outreach groups that ministered to homeless people on the streets of Long Beach, and Las Vegas and camped in the Los Angeles riverbed.

Salvation, repentance and recovery were my ministries. Now I'd disabled living in a home for functional, independent, disabled, senior citizens.

Regarding end times prophecy my opinions are only worth what I charge for them. IOW, my opinions are worthless. I still share them as a point of view. Nothing more or less. I've heard so many I must admit that I don't really know or understand a lot for sure. I do consider my opinion about as good as anyone else. Even Jesus admitted that even he didn't know the day or the hour. Nobody can top that!
 
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My main focus has been, crisis counseling, drug and alcohol education, as well homeless counseling and ex-convict re-entry (to normal unsupervised life). I was also a co-chairman of the "Dual Recovery Anonymous," Scrambled Eggs" group in Long Beach CA. Which served people suffering from substance abuse combined with mental illness. I also volunteered at L.A. County dept. of mental health, joined outreach groups that ministered to homeless people on the streets of Long Beach, and Las Vegas and camped in the Los Angeles riverbed.

Salvation, repentance and recovery were my ministries. Now I'd disabled living in a home for functional, independent, disabled, senior citizens.

Regarding end times prophecy my opinions are only worth what I charge for them. IOW, my opinions are worthless. I still share them as a point of view. Nothing more or less. I've heard so many I must admit that I don't really know or understand a lot for sure. I do consider my opinion about as good as anyone else. Even Jesus admitted that even he didn't know the day or the hour. Nobody can top that!
All the working with addicts and homeless, and new releases is great, and probable where God wants you to focus your efforts. I'm not so sure we are supposed to try and figure out prophecy, I think we are just supposed to remember what is said and we will recognize it when it's happening, and be ready for when it happens. All this speculation is fun and helps us remember what is written, but like you said Jesus said he didn't even know the day or the hour. I think that's a good cue.
 
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#48
I get's confusing and frightening to me because some websites proclaim (some with pride) that the US is a partial sponsor. To me that would indicate that we (as a nation) should share in the destruction that is to come. While other sites more or less report that there's nothing to report. Thus pardon the expression 'fake news'.

I can clearly see how the USA may be the Great prostitute. We will either arrive there by air or sea. Many Christian Americans' and Nationalists can't see how we can be the Great Prostitute or that we (as an earthy nation) have already sold out. Every fake religion, homosexuality, child sacrifice (abortion), sorcery (drugs), Idolatry (money) and atheists (all atheists are true but minor, antichrists). All are not only allowed but embraced and protected here in the USA. Even here (on CC) I've been called a 'religious fanatic' for trying to explain what I'm repeating to you all, here and now.

As followers of the the one and only true Christ, I can't see how we can share our commitment to him with any nation simultaneously. As the Bride of Christ, I would think that is grounds for divorce according to Levitical law. It's spiritual adultery. But what do I know? I'm not ordained by man nor do I have a degree or even a radio program from which to spout blasphemous, heretical, religious lies. I'm just a crazy old man.
Not sure what to say

I was quoting Matt 24. Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom. As I think it relates to danial 9 as the time between the destruction of the city in 70 ad and the time of the covenant to be made

As for the us. The us is not
Mentioned in last day prophesies. I would say it is either god or a non factor because it has collapsed.
 

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If anything we are in the nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom
I edited your post so you would see what I was focusing on, about and why. Deacon and I used to share in PM's whether or not the Unites States is the Great Prostitute, to be consumed in the lake of fire. After Kim Jong Un started testing nuclear missles', I suggested that 1 or 2 in the Yellowstone Caldera could do it. He laughed but admitted that it's possible.
 

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^ Consider the following, in view of what you've put here:



Matt24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 / Lk21:8-11 are "the beginning of birth pangs"

...but v.12 says, "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE" [that is, BEFORE ALL THESE beginning of birth pangs] the FOLLOWING SECTION of events (vv.12-24a/b) must take place (i.e. THE 70ad events in vv.12-24a/b [ONLY])



Matt24 then STARTS OUT with "the beginning of birth pangs" (which are the EQUIVALENT of the SEALS of Rev6... but Rev1:1[1:19c/4:1] INCLUDES THESE in "the things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"... not unfold from the first century, nor over a great spans of time...) which are thereafter FOLLOWED by the events spelled out later in the passage, such as vv.15-21 [mid-trib events], etc etc)

This is the SEQUENCE that the Olivet Discourse is disclosing... (so that, everything in the Matt24 section is "yet future" [far-future to when written], and does not include anything of the 70ad events, but where "the beginning of birth pangs" [which happen AFTER the 70ad events!!] later/future-ly PICK UP THE STORYLINE [and continue forward from THOSE], so to speak).




The BLUE is correct (THAT SECTION of Lk21 IS about the 70ad events)... but because of the SEQUENCE ISSUES within the Olivet Discourse, the Matt & Mk passages ^ referred to above speak of the "far-future" aspect (those things which come AFTER "the beginning of birth pangs"--which KICK-OFF the future trib years [SEALS])!




The "you/ye" of the Olivet Discourse is a "consistent 'you'/'ye'" and a "proleptic 'you'"... [proleptic] meaning (basically) "all those in the future, of the same category," and Jesus, up to and INCLUDING His Olivet Discourse had NOT YET mentioned ANYTHING about our "Rapture [IN THE AIR]," but spoke all about His Second Coming to the earth, FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (promised to Israel--and yes, they will INVITE "guests [PLURAL]"--so not JUST them, see ;) ), which will commence upon His "RETURN" to the earth (Rev19)
I stand by my statement:
Matthew 24:15-22 / Mark 13:14-20 / Luke 21:20-24 are "all about" the events circa 70 A.D.

Yes - that is correct - all three of these passages are talking about the very same exact thing.
 

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#51
I agree with you up to the end of Daniel 9:26. I believe that verse 27 is still to come. The daily sacrifice to be curtailed is most likely prayer because the temple will need to be rebuilt first or where will the second Beast from Revelations reign from?
Why would you want to separate that one verse from the rest of the prophecy?

The 70 weeks of Daniel occurred in a single unbroken span of 490 years. The entire prophecy is fulfilled.

Please read:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html
 

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#52
Why would you want to separate that one verse from the rest of the prophecy?

The 70 weeks of Daniel occurred in a single unbroken span of 490 years. The entire prophecy is fulfilled.

Please read:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html
Because I'm aligning it with revelations. The prophecy that includes and is for all of us. Unless you think the millennium is happening now. I've never read, heard or met anyone who believes that, that I know of.
 

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Because I'm aligning it with revelations. The prophecy that includes and is for all of us. Unless you think the millennium is happening now. I've never read, heard or met anyone who believes that, that I know of.
The 70 weeks prophecy is about the 'Times of the Jews' and the First Coming of Christ (which is within in the 'Times of the Jews' time frame).

There is nothing in Revelation with which it may be aligned.

No part of the 70 weeks prophecy is about the end of time; rather, it is [all] about the end of the 'Times of the Jews'.
 
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Why would you want to separate that one verse from the rest of the prophecy?

The 70 weeks of Daniel occurred in a single unbroken span of 490 years. The entire prophecy is fulfilled.

Please read:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html
Um no, it did not

the 69th week ended when Jesus was entering the city on a donkey (from command to build the city until messiah is 69 week)

after this, he will be killed

40 some years later, the people of the prince who is to,come,destroy the sanctuary and city

the end of this period will come with a flood, it will continue until,war,desolations are completed, a time which is determined by God

THEN he (the prince who is to come) confirms a covenant with many for 7 years. Here,is the start of the 70th week

in the middle of that week, he breaks that covenant with the abomination of desolation (when you see the AOD spoken of by Daniel the prophet)

at this time, the temple will remain desolate and the end is poured out on the desolate (the great tribulation) at whcih time the desolator will be destroyed

nothing like this happened in or near 70 AD
 
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The 70 weeks prophecy is about the 'Times of the Jews' and the First Coming of Christ (which is within in the 'Times of the Jews' time frame).

There is nothing in Revelation with which it may be aligned.

No part of the 70 weeks prophecy is about the end of time; rather, it is [all] about the end of the 'Times of the Jews'.
No,actually it is about the end of the gentile dominion, it is also called the time of Jacobs trouble, used to cause Jacobs repentance and return
 

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Um no, it did not

the 69th week ended when Jesus was entering the city on a donkey (from command to build the city until messiah is 69 week)

after this, he will be killed

40 some years later, the people of the prince who is to,come,destroy the sanctuary and city

the end of this period will come with a flood, it will continue until,war,desolations are completed, a time which is determined by God

THEN he (the prince who is to come) confirms a covenant with many for 7 years. Here,is the start of the 70th week

in the middle of that week, he breaks that covenant with the abomination of desolation (when you see the AOD spoken of by Daniel the prophet)

at this time, the temple will remain desolate and the end is poured out on the desolate (the great tribulation) at whcih time the desolator will be destroyed

nothing like this happened in or near 70 AD
That may be the most different and correct explanation that I've ever read or heard. I will take into consideration. Thank you for sharing. (y) Cali.
 

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THEN he (the prince who is to come) confirms a covenant with many for 7 years. Here,is the start of the 70th week

in the middle of that week, he breaks that covenant with the abomination of desolation (when you see the AOD spoken of by Daniel the prophet)

at this time, the temple will remain desolate and the end is poured out on the desolate (the great tribulation) at whcih time the desolator will be destroyed

nothing like this happened in or near 70 AD
Nothing like this has ever happened - nor will it ever happen - except in the imaginations of people who were taught a very erroneous interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27.

The 70 weeks prophecy is about the 'Times of the Jews' and the First Coming of Christ (which is within in the 'Times of the Jews' time frame).
No part of the 70 weeks prophecy is about the end of time; rather, it is [all] about the end of the 'Times of the Jews'.
The 70 weeks of Daniel occurred in a single unbroken span of 490 years. The entire prophecy is fulfilled.

Please read:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html
 
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That may be the most different and correct explanation that I've ever read or heard. I will take into consideration. Thank you for sharing. (y) Cali.
When I first saw it this way, it opened my eyes, this was always a hard one for me to understand.
 

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That may be the most different and correct explanation that I've ever read or heard. I will take into consideration. Thank you for sharing. (y) Cali.
Please consider wisely with much study and prayer --- that is one of the most popular - and erroneous - explanations (to be considered) that there is today.
 
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Nothing like this has ever happened - nor will it ever happen - except in the imaginations of people who were taught a very erroneous interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27.
So Gabriel told Daniel things which are not true

thank you, I will take that into consideration