Who is the ones that is taken ? And who is the ones that are left ?

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The lie of the RAPTURE Is Satan working to keep the truth of what is going to happen when JESUS comes Back .
Well we know this, Jesus is not going to send His bride through His wrath first and then gather her afterwards to take her to the Father's house. If He did this, what difference would there be between the those in Christ and the wicked, if they both suffer the same thing?

Paul called the appearing of the Lord and our being gathered to Him the blessed hope. Likewise, after giving a detailed description of the living in Christ being changed immortal and glorified and caught up to meet the Lord in the air, he said, "therefore, comfort each other with these words. If the church had to first go through God's unprecedented wrath before being gathered, it would be no blessed hope. Neither would believers have anything to comfort each other about.

You and others need to understand that there is a difference between the common trials and tribulations that Jesus said we would experience vs. God's coming wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. It is the latter that believers are not appointed to suffer. That coming wrath will be poured out upon a Christ rejecting world, not those who have already believed in Christ.

For everyone who believes, Christ was held accountable for their sins. He took upon himself the wrath that every believer deserves, satisfying it completely. By believing and teaching that God is going to put His church through His wrath, you dishonor Jesus who already satisfied it.

One of the on-going errors for your belief, is not understanding that God does not punish the righteous with the wicked. Also, you do not understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath and the purpose of it. By the time Jesus returns to the earth, the majority of the earths population will have been decimated and all human government dismantled. And you people think that God is going to leave His church on the earth to experience His wrath right along with the wicked?

As I previously stated, the Lord made a promise to all believers that after He was going to the Father's house to prepare places for us and that He was coming back to get us so that we could be where He is, which is the Father's house (heaven). We have revelation showing us that the bride/church will be in heaven attending the wedding of the Lamb and receiving our fine linen. And then after that, we will be following the Lord out of heaven riding on white horses. Yet you still don't believe the scriptures!

I know that I am wasting my time, because once you have adopted these false teachings, you are unteachable and just continue to offer up apologetic after apologetic in support of that belief.

I thank God that my Lord has already suffered God's wrath on my and every believers behalf, so that God's wrath no longer rests upon us. You and others however are not having faith in His promise, but are instead looking to go through His wrath, as though it was an honorable thing to do. It's not! His wrath is for those who have rejected Him.
 

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This may be useful, could be the ones left are gathered in bundles and burned in the field and the ones taken are placed in the barn

Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
The setting would be during or slightly after the resurrection on the last day (according to the time of the resurrection).
“And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Matthew 24:31 (KJV 1900)

“Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” Matthew 24:40 (KJV 1900)

“Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” 1 Thessalonians 4:17–18 (KJV 1900)
The wicked is slayed by the brightness of HIS coming, That is before the resurrection of the dead in CHRIST
 

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But what I was asking who are they. which is The saved, and which is the lost ?
The ones that are taken are the lost, They will be slayed by the brightness of HIS coming, Then the dead in Christ are resurrected and go up, and meet Jesus in the clouds, Then those that are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the LORD. that leaves nobody on earth alive, just like JEREMIAH said in 4:20-25 This leaves no one on earth alive, This is the Chain that will make Satan bound, There will be no one here for Satan to temp, And no one could live here anyway, The BIBLE says that the HEAVEN HAD no LIGHT. And we could not live here without the SUN, FOR a 1000 years Satan will be here with out no one to temp, He will surly Satan will be miserable , GOD bless as HE sees fit.
 

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The wicked is slayed by the brightness of HIS coming, That is before the resurrection of the dead in CHRIST
Are the wicked running around loose unbundled? When’s the harvest or has it been?
 

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[QUOTE="bud62, post: 4164455, member: 292893"
This leaves no one on earth alive, This is the Chain that will make Satan bound, There will be no one here for Satan to temp, And no one could live here anyway,
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Hmm not sure on the whole earth, the inhabitants enter the thickets and climb among the rocks and the birds fled don’t think it says slain in Jeremiah if that what your referring to

Jeremiah 4
29Every city flees at the sound of the horseman and archer. They enter the thickets and climb among the rocks. Every city is abandoned; no inhabitant is left.
 

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The wicked is slayed by the brightness of HIS coming, That is before the resurrection of the dead in CHRIST
What if the brightness of his coming is the conflagration of the universe mentioned by Peter?
 

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John 16
16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.
16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.
But, everyone says that.
 

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Yeah, but I'm trying to explain why it would be [is] written as it is. To emphasize that the "they [plural]" speaks of the "plurals" already REFERENCED in this text (which would be the "people [plural]" in verse 38... who would be the ones that "and they knew not UNTIL"... which agrees with what 1 Peter 3:19-20 also refers to [when it refers to them (the lost/unsaved) as being "disobedient" not "entirely and wholly IGNORANT"...but Noah KNEW what was coming up--the flood judgment--and "preached" unto them by means of the Spirit, per this 1Pet3 text]).


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Consider also (alongside my points re: Matt24:38-39's use of the word "G142"):

"took [/take; G142]" (as used in the following) -

Revelation 18:21 - "And one mighty angel took up [G142] a stone like a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying: 'Thus Babylon will be cast down with violence, the great city, and shall never be found any longer."

1 Corinthians 5:2 - "And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away [G142] from among you."

Acts 8:33 [2x] (Isa53:8) - "In his humiliation his judgment was taken away [G142]: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken [G142] from the earth."

John 11:48 - "If we shall let Him alone like this, all will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and will take away [G142] both our place and nation."


[/B]So, as I see it, it depends on "who" is doing the "taking" and "to what end / for what purpose"[/B] ;) (whether a "positive" or a "negative" kind of thing)



["extra credit" for those who don't mind reading extra :D : see that this Matthew 24 passage, along with their Q of Him in Matt24:3 which was BASED ON what He had ALREADY spoken to them about (in the EARLIER setting of, and about) the Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 context, when the angels will "REAP" [note: this does not take place at our Rapture event!]... that this is when "HE SHALL SEND" His angels to do "this" and "that" ;) , but in our Rapture context, it is specifically stated to be "the Lord HIMSELF" and we [alone, "AS ONE"] will experience "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" to the meeting of the Lord... IN THE AIR, and takes place in the EXACT OPPOSITE SEQUENCE from that of Matt13/Matt24 ;) … in Matt13:30, Matt13:40-43, Matt13:49 where it says "sever the wicked from among the just"... "the just" are not going anywhere, in this context, but "the wicked" are "sever[ed]... from among" them ;) … again, this is at "His Second Coming to the earth" time-slot [NOT our Rapture]--This is how I'm seeing it :) )]
It fits both ways

I already said that.

So let's carry it on out.

Where is this group that gets wiped out at the start fitting into the start of the gt, because Jesus shifts from after/during to "before".
Noah is a preflood dynamic in that example of Jesus,as well as "eating and drinking" (normal life) THEN CAME THE FLOOD.
Nothing post/after...totally pre/or beginning.

And in that same analogy of Jesus is inserted one taken/ left.

So we see a group taken away pretrib.
Who is TAKEN pretrib.

IOW we see what happens when "they" is transposed as wicked destroyed pretrib
...it makes no sense and does not fit anything.

Now let's see if "and knew not until the flood came"
Fits the ark people or the heathen.

Neither group were aware of what was happening at the time. Those in the boat could hear the rain,and those outside saw a huge deluge.

Both groups "knew" the flood when it came.
Both groups could imagine a boat corresponds to a lake/ocean.
Both saw all the animals go aboard. Both groups saw the gate/hatch close supernaturally and seal supernaturally.
Those outside moved to high ground and the boat floated before the people did.
So the flood took Noah FIRST.
 

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You are pulling Jesus' words out of their context... again. Jesus mentions the flood of Noah's time right before this. In the flood, the wicked were taken away. Given that, the woman who is left behind would not represent "unbelief".
As well as noah and family taken away....taken first if normal human behavior goes to higher ground
 

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But what I was asking who are they. Which is which,which is The saved, and which is the lost ?
Both groups are saved.

Every single example is 2 people paired off

Not really plausible to transpose righteous vs wicked arbitrarily when it makes no sense.
 

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This is the second coming.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Those left will go into the Kingdom with Christ the King. :42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.


those taken are not anticipating His Coming.: 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Noah was not left because the water took him First.
The boat floated before the water got the people who moved to higher ground continually as the water rose.

Plus the example is 100% pre flood or the start of the flood.

You need a post flood dynamic to make the "going into the kingdom" component work.

IOW you guys have no wicked entering the gt.
Only Gods people going through the gt.....not remotely possible
 

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The wicked is slayed by the brightness of HIS coming, That is before the resurrection of the dead in CHRIST
In rev 14 Jesus comes on a cloud and gathers ripe fruit.(an obvious rapture)

No such wicked taken first and mankind killed before he arrives.
 

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You are pulling Jesus' words out of their context... again. Jesus mentions the flood of Noah's time right before this. In the flood, the wicked were taken away. Given that, the woman who is left behind would not represent "unbelief".
Hi Thanks

I would think in context of the parable the two women represent two covenants. One seen the temporal and one not seen the eternal.

Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:Mathew 24: 25-29

It is the last day .The Sun and Moon as temporal time jeepers are under the feet of the bride, no more night (Revelation 21)

I would offer in that series of parables beginning with the warning " Behold, I have told you before" informing us that cannon was coming to a close. as safeguard beforehand .from false prophets and false prophecy as oral traditions of men.

No one in the parable of two women literally leaves and disappears. Saying, now you do not see me. . later you will .

It is the last day .There is no expectation of Jesus putting on the flesh for another demonstration of the unseen work of our Father.

For wheresoever the dead spiritless, flesh and bones is there will the eagles or vultures as ceremonial unclean birds to represent unbelief or no faith, when they are gathered together.

I would think in that way we are to let the dead bury their own. We do not wrestles against flesh and blood and neither are we supported or built by it. We can plant the incorruptible seed he causes growth, if any.

The gospel was used as a demonstration of a unseen work. The Lamb slain from the foundation the six days God did work to give us rest from our own labor .Our promised Emanuel.

Flesh and blood, against flesh we could end up devouring one another. Then how could God send out his gospel . I would say pray for unity that when he does come he will find his faithful witness. His wife the church

Galatians 5:14-16 King James Version (KJV) For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

The two women I think would re-present the two covenants spoken of in Galatians 4 .
 
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In the "one taken/left behind",where is it designated either is wicked?
It's not designated. The purpose is to search the scripture. Jesus never designated directly to those who questioned Him Who He was. They were supposed to understand by studying the scriptures and identifying Him by what His miracles.
 
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Hi Thanks

I would think in context of the parable the two women represent two covenants. One seen the temporal and one not seen the eternal.

Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:Mathew 24: 25-29

It is the last day .The Sun and Moon as temporal time jeepers are under the feet of the bride, no more night (Revelation 21)

I would offer in that series of parables beginning with the warning " Behold, I have told you before" informing us that cannon was coming to a close. as safeguard beforehand .from false prophets and false prophecy as oral traditions of men.

No one in the parable of two women literally leaves and disappears. Saying, now you do not see me. . later you will .

It is the last day .There is no expectation of Jesus putting on the flesh for another demonstration of the unseen work of our Father.

For wheresoever the dead spiritless, flesh and bones is there will the eagles or vultures as ceremonial unclean birds to represent unbelief or no faith, when they are gathered together.

I would think in that way we are to let the dead bury their own. We do not wrestles against flesh and blood and neither are we supported or built by it. We can plant the incorruptible seed he causes growth, if any.

The gospel was used as a demonstration of a unseen work. The Lamb slain from the foundation the six days God did work to give us rest from our own labor .Our promised Emanuel.

Flesh and blood, against flesh we could end up devouring one another. Then how could God send out his gospel . I would say pray for unity that when he does come he will find his faithful witness. His wife the church

Galatians 5:14-16 King James Version (KJV) For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

The two women I think would re-present the two covenants spoken of in Galatians 4 .
Yes, well stated and a revealing glimpse of scripture.
 

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Hi Thanks

I would think in context of the parable the two women represent two covenants. One seen the temporal and one not seen the eternal.
You can think what you like, but I don't believe that is a parable, nor do I believe the two women represent anything.