Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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Yes, I agree we are not justified before we are born but we are justified by the blood of Christ. The blood of Christ which was shed on Calvary applies only when believing in him. Yes, the Bible says the Lamb was slain from the foundation ...but not from eternity. The foundation is Calvary. God bless.
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Why Justifcation by Faith ?
Those who are Justified before Faith before God, based upon The Divine Purpose which includes the blood of Christ in covenant, slain from the foundation Rev 13:8, foreknown before the world began 1 Pet 1:20, based on the blood of the everlasting covenant Heb 13:20. They all shall be Justified by Faith in time at their call by the Gospel Rom 8:28-30
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Its at this Call they do receive a sense and knowledge of it [Justification], they now know themselves Justified in their consciousness to be Justified before God through Spirit wrought Faith 1 Cor 6:11
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
For Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22, and men do not have it [Justifying Faith] by Nature; and men by nature [even the elect] have no way of knowing of such a spiritual blessing as Justification before God until they capacitated by the fruit of Faith from the Spirit, and only to those is the Gospel sent to reveal this Justification / Righteousness to Rom 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
This Righteousness revealed to Faith is the basis of their Justification before God.
So its only proper in the arrangement of Salvation in the Dine Purpose, that those Justified before Faith, are Justified by Faith or through Faith knowingly and consciously. For what comfort or peace can come from it [Justification before God] if its never made known to the one who is. For Justification by Faith is the beginning of the assurance of Faith Heb 10:22
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Without Justification by Faith there would be no Joy and Peace in Believing Rom 15:13
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost. 7
Those who are Justified before Faith before God, based upon The Divine Purpose which includes the blood of Christ in covenant, slain from the foundation Rev 13:8, foreknown before the world began 1 Pet 1:20, based on the blood of the everlasting covenant Heb 13:20. They all shall be Justified by Faith in time at their call by the Gospel Rom 8:28-30
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Its at this Call they do receive a sense and knowledge of it [Justification], they now know themselves Justified in their consciousness to be Justified before God through Spirit wrought Faith 1 Cor 6:11
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
For Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22, and men do not have it [Justifying Faith] by Nature; and men by nature [even the elect] have no way of knowing of such a spiritual blessing as Justification before God until they capacitated by the fruit of Faith from the Spirit, and only to those is the Gospel sent to reveal this Justification / Righteousness to Rom 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
This Righteousness revealed to Faith is the basis of their Justification before God.
So its only proper in the arrangement of Salvation in the Dine Purpose, that those Justified before Faith, are Justified by Faith or through Faith knowingly and consciously. For what comfort or peace can come from it [Justification before God] if its never made known to the one who is. For Justification by Faith is the beginning of the assurance of Faith Heb 10:22
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Without Justification by Faith there would be no Joy and Peace in Believing Rom 15:13
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost. 7
Rom 5:9 says being Justified by Christs blood. Now did Christ shed His blood for many people before they were born ? Did Christ die for individuals sins before they were born ? Did Christ put away peoples sins before they were born ? You obviously dont believe He did. Thats unbelief then
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The severity of God is shown to disbelief. Not believing we were justified while still ungodly. Therefore ...
being godly or ungodly is not the thing, believing is the thing. Believing is the thing, believing what? that God justifies the ungodly.
Having been justified we are no longer ungodly but believing. It all starts and finishes with God.
If we see ourselves as sinners, that is ungodly, we will continue to do those things that sinners and ungodly folk do.
If we see ourselves as godly we will begin to act as godly folk do.
being godly or ungodly is not the thing, believing is the thing. Believing is the thing, believing what? that God justifies the ungodly.
Having been justified we are no longer ungodly but believing. It all starts and finishes with God.
If we see ourselves as sinners, that is ungodly, we will continue to do those things that sinners and ungodly folk do.
If we see ourselves as godly we will begin to act as godly folk do.
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I agree with everything you just said except one point. I believe that Jesus’ sacrifice was predestined from eternity, because I believe that It is part of God’s eternal purpose, and because I believe that God’s knowledge is perfect, ie He does not learn, therefore He must have always known about the Fall and what He would do to save us from it. But otherwise, I agree with everything else.
Since you are too ascared to interact with scriptures, I will do it for you.
When Moses lifted up the bronze serpent in the wilderness, was that enough or did they have to “look and live”?
They had to look and live.
Did the act of looking “save” them, or did the Power of God save all who believed?
The Mercy and Power of God saved them
We’re they saved from death based on the mercy of God alone?
Yes.
When Moses lifted up the bronze serpent in the wilderness, was that enough or did they have to “look and live”?
They had to look and live.
Did the act of looking “save” them, or did the Power of God save all who believed?
The Mercy and Power of God saved them
We’re they saved from death based on the mercy of God alone?
Yes.
a. Wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ THAT WE MIGHT BE justified by faith. Galatians 3:24.
“THAT”. There’s the hina of purpose again. The law served as a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ SO THAT (the purpose and intended end being) we might be (SUBJUNCTIVE- ALSO INDICATES PURPOSE) justified by faith.
B. Romans 4:22-25. Abraham’s faith was imputed for righteousness. And it (faith) was not imputed (counted, reckoned) for righteousness for him alone, but also for us it (faith) will be imputed (counted,reckoned) IF we believe on Him who raised Christ from the dead.
Having something (faith) imputed for righteousness is the same thing as justification. RIGHTEOUSNESS IS IMPUTED TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE.
c. Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God. Romans 5:1.
This verse shows that the RESULT of our justification is peace with God. If we were justified before we were born, it would follow that we have been at peace with God our whole lives.
“THAT”. There’s the hina of purpose again. The law served as a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ SO THAT (the purpose and intended end being) we might be (SUBJUNCTIVE- ALSO INDICATES PURPOSE) justified by faith.
B. Romans 4:22-25. Abraham’s faith was imputed for righteousness. And it (faith) was not imputed (counted, reckoned) for righteousness for him alone, but also for us it (faith) will be imputed (counted,reckoned) IF we believe on Him who raised Christ from the dead.
Having something (faith) imputed for righteousness is the same thing as justification. RIGHTEOUSNESS IS IMPUTED TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE.
c. Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God. Romans 5:1.
This verse shows that the RESULT of our justification is peace with God. If we were justified before we were born, it would follow that we have been at peace with God our whole lives.
nope ... no justification before faith (Rom 4:3-5).
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.
the means of justification occurred prior to a person believing (i.e. the Lord Jesus Christ was foreordained before the foundation of the world) ... however, justification is imputed when a person believes (Rom 4:3-5). A person is not justified before he/she believes.
the gospel is sent to all mankind Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18) reject the truth of the gospel. That is why they are without excuse (Rom 1:20).
The reason they are without excuse is not that they did not hear ... or that God withheld from them something they needed to believe the gospel. They hear and suppress, restrain, hinder the truth. They reject the truth ... they reject God.
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.
the means of justification occurred prior to a person believing (i.e. the Lord Jesus Christ was foreordained before the foundation of the world) ... however, justification is imputed when a person believes (Rom 4:3-5). A person is not justified before he/she believes.
the gospel is sent to all mankind Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18) reject the truth of the gospel. That is why they are without excuse (Rom 1:20).
The reason they are without excuse is not that they did not hear ... or that God withheld from them something they needed to believe the gospel. They hear and suppress, restrain, hinder the truth. They reject the truth ... they reject God.
I asked you about one verse, and you will not “elaborate” on it because you can’t. It doesn’t fit into your “system”.
And you call me unteachable.
And you call me unteachable.
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