who or what is satan?

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1john 3:8He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from thebeginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
The works of the devil he came to destroy is sin and rebellion which is the nature of the human or characteristics of man. The carnal mind is enemity against God. Thedevil, satan, the serpent, dragon, the evil one are all referring to the wickedness of man. The Hebrew word sawtawn means opposer or adversary.
Satan inthe International standard bible encyclopedia in Hebrew and greek is definedas adversary, accuser. This is thecharacteristics of the human who opposes or goes against God.
Matt 16:23Jesus said, But he turned, and said toPeter, Get you behind me, Satan: you are an offense to me: for you mind not thethings that be of God, but those that be of men.
In the above verse,Peter, a man, is referred to as satan because his mind is of men and not God.Jesus was not talking to an invisible creature call satan but a literal visiblehuman.
Genesis 6:5it reads, And God saw that thewickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
I know some people believe satan is an evil enitity that’s inivisbleor not human.
Evil comes within a persons heart as is actually stated in matt 15 below and not an invisible entity called satan.

Matthew 15:19For out of the heart come forth evilthoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual sins, thefts, false testimony, andblasphemies. It’s our hearts that are evil. Its not applied towards someinvisible evil Satan that man has been taught all our lives.
Matt 7:11If you then, being evil, know how to givegood gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heavengive good things to them that ask him?
Againin this verse he is calling the people he is speaking to or rather hislisteners "evil" and not some invisible being called Satan.
Mark 7:22-23covetings, wickedness, deceit, lustfuldesires, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, and foolishness. All these evil thingscome from within, and defile the man."
Yesthey come from within our hearts as stated in matthew 15:19 and not someinvisible evil being called Satan.
Isa 45:7 reads God created evil. The evil he created was mankind and genesis 6:5 saysman is evil continually.
In the above verses EVILis applied to visible mankind and not an invisible creature called satan. Referagain to matt 7:22-23 and matt 15:9 to see exactly where man’s evil comes from.
Isa45:6-7 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from thewest, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 Iform the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I,the LORD, do all these things.
a list of some things the above verse is talking about can beread in. Deut.28:20-68 read themall and there are tons of others I didn’t mention throughout the entire bible.Its not in deut only by far. And again in isa 45:21 he says there is no Godelse besides him.
Isa saysthere is no other besides him then where did satan come from as an invisibleentity that supposedly destroys mankind??
God directsjudgments, disappointments, trials, and calamitites. He has the power toinflict nations with war. God is the one and only one who has a powerful forceupon humanity and not some invisible entity called satan.
James 1:15says when lust have conceived, it bringeth forth sin. In that verse its lust ofthe flesh that we sin. It’s not becuaes of an evil invisible entity calledsatan.
Isa14:12 How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!how are you cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations!
The above scripture is not about an evil invisible Satan. It’s about a man..the king of Babylon issaid to have fallen from his position as a powerful world leader. The wordLucifer is a Latin translation of theHebrew word “helel” which means the morning star or the bright morning star. Inbiblically history,” the bright and morning star” was a title for a great and mighty ruler or human king. Falling from heaven is a figure of speech meaning they have fallen fromtheir position of authority as king or leadership. Lucifer in isa 14 isreferring to a human king that has lost his position as a ruler due to pride inhis heart.
The biblespeaks of evil spirits and lying spirits both of which come from the Lord and not some invisible entity calledsatan. These spirits he sends are men/man. All humans are called spirits, suchas try the spirit as in man that taught you. Here are some examples below.
1sam 16:14Then God sent an evil spirit…..
1sam 19:9 andthe evil spirit from the Lord was upon saul
1kings 22:23 nowtherefore behold, the Lord has put a lyingspirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets…..
Judges 9:23Then the Lord sent an evil spirit to Abimelechand the men of shechem…
2chronicles18:22 now therefore behold, the Lord has put alying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets…..
The word “satan” means adversary and there are many ofthem. Many think satan is just one single evil invisible entity destroying mankind but scriptures below show adversary as plural meaning more than one.
Psalms 38:20They also that render evil forgood are my adversaries; because I follow the thing that good is.
Psalms 71:13Let them be confounded andconsumed that are adversaries to my soul;….
Psalms 109:4For my love they are my adversaries
Psalms 109:20 Let this be the reward of my adversaries fromthe LORD, and of them that speak evil against my soul
Psalms 109:29 Let my adversaries beclothed with shame…….
In genesis 3:14God told the serpent, Becauseyou have done this, you are cursed above all cattle, and above every beast ofthe field; on your belly shall you go, and dust shall you eat all thedays of your life:
If that serpent is satan as an evil invisible creature as man istaught, then how come he is going to and fro the earth WALKING up and down init in Job 1:7 and Job 2:2 after he wascursed to crawl on his belly all the days of his life?
Job 2:10 But he said to her, You speak as one ofthe foolish women speaks. What? shall we receive good at the handof God, and shall we not receive evil?
Receiving both good and evil at the hand of God refers to thefact that there is only ONE GOD that administers both good and evil. There isno other being other than God. When bad things happen or calamaties, it is Godwho has done it not some evil invisible entity called satan. Examples below:
Amos 3:6 says, Shall a trumpet be blown inthe city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, andthe LORD has not done it?
Job 6:4 says, For the arrows of theAlmightyare within me, the poison whereof drinks up my spirit: the terrors ofGod doset themselves in array against me
Isa 42:13The LORDshallgo forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shallcry, yes, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
I also gave many verses in part 1 of the evil God bestows on people. It is not comingfrom an invisible entity called satan but rather from God.
If satan as an invisible entity that mankind has been taught isa deceiver Then why does the bible say it beongs to God??
In job 12:16 With him is strength and wisdom: thedeceived and the deceiver are his. Thismeans the deceived and the deceiver both are of God and not an invisible entitycalled satan.
As I stated in part 1, Isa 45:6-7Thatthey may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besideme. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light and createdarkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all thesethings
So why has man taught mankind that there is anotherand he is called Satan. The satan that deceives the whole world…. is man.
Even Job did not describe an entity called satan that done theafflicting on job. He said it was God. Job 19:21 says,Have pity on me, have pity on me, O you my friends; for the hand of God has touched me. And you can read what job said God did inchapter 19 ..read verses 1-13 and verse 21.
Job’s friends and family all came together to comfort him forall the evil that God brought upon him. See the verse below that tells us this.
Job 42:11says, Then camethere to him all his brothers, and all his sisters, and all they that had beenof his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and theybemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORDhad brought on him: every man also gave him a piece ofmoney, and every one an earring of gold.
 
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does anyone know how I can prevent this site from running my words together. I do not do that. It gets that way when I post it. It is not that way before I post it.
 
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That has happened to me too when I have copied something and posted it. I just manually go back and enter a space in it to fix it, but you must do that with in 5 mins of posting it. You can also click the advanced option and preview it before you post it.
 
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Yes I am copying it from Microsoft word where I keep all my files. If I preview it before I post it will I have more than 5 min to fix it?
 
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does anyone know how I can prevent this site from running my words together. I do not do that. It gets that way when I post it. It is not that way before I post it.
It's because you are repeating statements done by the other ( LoL copy paste). You don't even know the real meaning of those verses.

Satan is very real. The Bible says He's one of the chief angel before. He's not what you think he is. And satan is not came from the evil thoughts of men, instead he tempted men to do evil. in fact satan is the origin of sin.
 
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Satan to you is what the churches have taught you but you must realize that God put lying spirits in the mouth of prophets. And what those lying spirits taught has been passed down from generation to generation right up to today. Don't you know they are what deceived THE WHOLE WORLD. Satan deceived the whole world. The preachers taught man and the preacher is man
 
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Satan is man. I want to say satan is a man in an authority position which mankind is deceived by
 

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The Bible says satan is a fallen angel, one of the most beautiful of angels and wanted to be above God and so he rebelled and took a third of the angels with him when he was cast out of heaven. The antichrist will be a man, but satan is a supernatural being, formally an angel of heaven, and he, just like all of creation, is subject to the absolute power and rule of God.
 
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Satan and Lucifer is not the same. Although taught they are. Referring back to the bible, satan was never a good angel that went bad. The bible says satan was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. If that scripture is truth then satan was never a good angel who went bad. He has always been that way since the beginning.
 
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Satan and Lucifer is not the same. Although taught they are. Referring back to the bible, satan was never a good angel that went bad. The bible says satan was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. If that scripture is truth then satan was never a good angel who went bad. He has always been that way since the beginning.
But.... which beginning? Beginning of the earth? Beginning of his fall? Which beginning?
 

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''lucifer'' refers to his angel self (Lucifer means "light" because he was most powerful of all the angels)

''devil" refers to his evil being, existence

and "satan" refers to the concept that he is evil, and his title as prince of darkness, as an opposition to Jesus

all the same being, all the same evil fallen angel
 
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How do you know this? I'm fully aware that there are several arguments for the existence of God, and while I haven't been convinced by them, they are rational arguments -- a person can be sane, logical, intelligent, and rational in their belief of God (and also in their disbelief, as there are many good arguments going the other way).

But what evidence is there for the existence of Satan? None of the philosophical arguments for God's existence would work when applied to Satan, and there isn't any observable evidence. In fact, Wikipedia doesn't even have a page for it because nobody has ever attempted this -- it is merely assumed because the bible says he exists or because people want an explanation for evil and so they use Satan as a "gap belief" until there is an answer to fill that gap.

But why stop there? Let me give you an argument for why Satan's existence is unlikely. If Satan "tempts men to do evil", then why isn't he held responsible for the evil of men? After all, God is given all the credit for tempting men to do good things... so why isn't that temptation blamed on Satan? Even just a little bit? It seems like Satan is only brought up when God needs to put a face on "the enemy", but is conveniently left out of the conversation when it comes to Satan's actual works. Also, if Satan really existed and was aware that God was omnipotent, it would be completely illogical for him to try to seize the throne from God. Would you attempt something that you knew was impossible to accomplish?
 

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How do you know this? I'm fully aware that there are several arguments for the existence of God, and while I haven't been convinced by them, they are rational arguments -- a person can be sane, logical, intelligent, and rational in their belief of God (and also in their disbelief, as there are many good arguments going the other way).

But what evidence is there for the existence of Satan? None of the philosophical arguments for God's existence would work when applied to Satan, and there isn't any observable evidence. In fact, Wikipedia doesn't even have a page for it because nobody has ever attempted this -- it is merely assumed because the bible says he exists or because people want an explanation for evil and so they use Satan as a "gap belief" until there is an answer to fill that gap.

But why stop there? Let me give you an argument for why Satan's existence is unlikely. If Satan "tempts men to do evil", then why isn't he held responsible for the evil of men? After all, God is given all the credit for tempting men to do good things... so why isn't that temptation blamed on Satan? Even just a little bit? It seems like Satan is only brought up when God needs to put a face on "the enemy", but is conveniently left out of the conversation when it comes to Satan's actual works. Also, if Satan really existed and was aware that God was omnipotent, it would be completely illogical for him to try to seize the throne from God. Would you attempt something that you knew was impossible to accomplish?
satan is held responsible for what he has done to God's creation...just read Revelation.
 
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The bible says satan was a murderer from the beginning
I'm sorry, "murderer"? Who is Satan said to have murdered?

The lack of citation should be noted, as it is notable. Many Christians are unaware of this, but the story of Satan's rebellion is found in the non-canonical book of Enoch. While Ezekial 28 has been cited as a source, a quick look at it will show you that it is about "the King of Tyre", a real place with a real king who the Israelites would have opposed for natural reasons. Also, in context, one should note that the bible has been talking about Tyre since chapter 27, and none of that has been metaphorically used to describe Satan or his "kingdom".
 

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Didn't God say there is no other. He is the only one?
There is no other and he is the only one what? To what are you referring? I could go back and try to figure it out but, as I said on another forum, I'm tired. :D I am using that a lot today.
 
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Satan is man. I want to say satan is a man in an authority position which mankind is deceived by
Satan is an angel not a man. You said God put lying spirits in the mouth of the prophets and it was passed down to us. So do you think that the bible is lying to us about Satan's nature? Or maybe God is lying about Satan for some reason?
 
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satan is held responsible for what he has done to God's creation...just read Revelation[endquote]

A major mistake is people taking revelations literal. Reverlations was signified and that means you can't take it literally. Satan which is man is not responsible for God creating man subject to vanity. God is. God did it on purpose for reason that man does not understand. If man was created perfect as some claim, then why would God have created us subject to vanity/able to fall into sin.
 

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So Starcrash,

How long exactly have you been not believing in Satan,
and when in your life did you come to this conclusion?
 
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satan is held responsible for what he has done to God's creation...just read Revelation.
Thanks for the response. I forgot that Satan was mentioned in Revelation. Still, this punishment strikes me as odd. Why would Satan merely be thrown into Hell along with so many people who haven't directly opposed God and tempted trillions of people to sin over 10,000 years? Is that justice? And if that's God's ultimate plan, then why hasn't he done it yet? God doesn't have the same excuse that He has with us, in giving us a chance to repent. Nor does it show wisdom, as a Satan that is not in Hell seems to act against God's will. Any of us "less wise" people would have just done it already, because we can see the obvious value in it.