And if they are abolished and nailed crucified to the cross and we are to now just believe in Jesus why did Jesus tell us keep the commandments to enter life. Why do most major religions of Jesus not keep the commandments and say as paul did they have been abolished yet tell you you must pay tithes. Is Paul greater than James or Jesus, where did Paul get this
Who Told Paul The Commandments Were Abolished
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If you have a look at the Jewish laws linked to below you will see they apply to the Jewish people themselves and are not really applicable to Romans, Greeks or any-other nation. They are national laws for ONE nation only. Judaism is a national religion for Jews and nobody else.
613 commandments - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Their laws even allow killing, see the short list below:
487 Save someone being pursued even by taking the life of the pursuer — Deut. 25:12
488 Not to pity the pursuer — Num. 35:12
545 The courts must carry out the death penalty of stoning — Deut. 22:24
546 The courts must carry out the death penalty of burning — Lev. 20:14
547 The courts must carry out the death penalty of the sword — Ex. 21:20
548 The courts must carry out the death penalty of strangulation — Lev. 20:10
549 The courts must hang those stoned for blasphemy or idolatry — Deut. 21:22
550 Bury the executed on the day they are killed — Deut. 21:23
555 The court must not kill anybody on circumstantial evidence — Ex. 23:7
51 Not to bow down before a smooth stone — Lev. 26:1 (Idolotry)
189 Not to benefit from an ox condemned to be stoned — Ex. 21:2 (Cruelty)
008 Not to destroy objects associated with His Name — Deut. 12:4 (Idolotry)
596 Destroy the seven Canaanite nations — Deut. 20:17
597 Not to let any of them remain alive — Deut. 20:16
598 Wipe out the descendants of Amalek — Deut. 25:19
599 Remember what Amalek did to the Jewish people — Deut. 25:17
600 Not to forget Amalek's atrocities and ambush on our journey from Egypt in the desert — Deut. 25:19
603 Not to offer peace to Ammon and Moab while besieging them — Deut. 23:7
There is only One God who is the I AM and he gave us Ten Commandments and Jesus gave us almost 40 more. These are universal laws and these are what all peoples of all nations should follow in accordance with One universal God.
613 commandments - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Their laws even allow killing, see the short list below:
487 Save someone being pursued even by taking the life of the pursuer — Deut. 25:12
488 Not to pity the pursuer — Num. 35:12
545 The courts must carry out the death penalty of stoning — Deut. 22:24
546 The courts must carry out the death penalty of burning — Lev. 20:14
547 The courts must carry out the death penalty of the sword — Ex. 21:20
548 The courts must carry out the death penalty of strangulation — Lev. 20:10
549 The courts must hang those stoned for blasphemy or idolatry — Deut. 21:22
550 Bury the executed on the day they are killed — Deut. 21:23
555 The court must not kill anybody on circumstantial evidence — Ex. 23:7
51 Not to bow down before a smooth stone — Lev. 26:1 (Idolotry)
189 Not to benefit from an ox condemned to be stoned — Ex. 21:2 (Cruelty)
008 Not to destroy objects associated with His Name — Deut. 12:4 (Idolotry)
596 Destroy the seven Canaanite nations — Deut. 20:17
597 Not to let any of them remain alive — Deut. 20:16
598 Wipe out the descendants of Amalek — Deut. 25:19
599 Remember what Amalek did to the Jewish people — Deut. 25:17
600 Not to forget Amalek's atrocities and ambush on our journey from Egypt in the desert — Deut. 25:19
603 Not to offer peace to Ammon and Moab while besieging them — Deut. 23:7
There is only One God who is the I AM and he gave us Ten Commandments and Jesus gave us almost 40 more. These are universal laws and these are what all peoples of all nations should follow in accordance with One universal God.
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But you didnt answer the question,it is obvious most Christian religions do not keep the commandments and the Universal Church has even changed theres from the original. People I have spoken too said Paul started this and it spread to Rome and then the breakaway churches ,what is going on,I ask again who told Paul there are no commandments anymore
I have just done a quick google which will save me a lot of typing, the answer to your question is Jesus.
Jesus and the Law
Jesus and the Law
Walking by spirit is what many have difficulty understanding and grasping.
We can best understand it by examples (which is why we really needed Christ to first set that example as Peter tells us at 1 Peter 2:21 and which is evident in the example Paul used at Romans 2:14-15).
To understand it, let's suppose that you were forming a group of people to come together for a specific purpose like as offering help to the elderly.
You would no doubt begin by creating a list of rules designed to keep this effort healthy and assure that no one caused harm to the ones your purpose was to help.
These rules or mini laws each one have a spirit behind why they were chosen by you.
For example, a rule says, "After you clean for them do not leave the trash in the home, but make certain it gets out to the trash."
But the spirit of that rule says, "It is an unloving thing to leave the trash in the home, for various reasons, stench, germs, clutter, and so forth."
Therefore, just as Paul shows at Romans 2:14-15, there will be some who won't do that until they read the rule, and there would be some who would have done that anyway never having read the rule.
This is why love is superior to law and this is why what we do shows what is really in our hearts.
We can best understand it by examples (which is why we really needed Christ to first set that example as Peter tells us at 1 Peter 2:21 and which is evident in the example Paul used at Romans 2:14-15).
To understand it, let's suppose that you were forming a group of people to come together for a specific purpose like as offering help to the elderly.
You would no doubt begin by creating a list of rules designed to keep this effort healthy and assure that no one caused harm to the ones your purpose was to help.
These rules or mini laws each one have a spirit behind why they were chosen by you.
For example, a rule says, "After you clean for them do not leave the trash in the home, but make certain it gets out to the trash."
But the spirit of that rule says, "It is an unloving thing to leave the trash in the home, for various reasons, stench, germs, clutter, and so forth."
Therefore, just as Paul shows at Romans 2:14-15, there will be some who won't do that until they read the rule, and there would be some who would have done that anyway never having read the rule.
This is why love is superior to law and this is why what we do shows what is really in our hearts.
We are running around in circles here with no one answering my question, all major Christian churches LDS.Pentacostals Catholic,Methodist Anglican Church of England do not follow the Jewish 10 commandments because of Paul why. The major changes in all these religions is the 4th commandment. Who told us not to keep the 4th commandment was it Paul. Please answer the questions if you can, if not say nothing please dont put links up
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Paul never said the commands were abolished. If you read his writings, he held them in high reguard.
what he did is say that obeying commands will save you (law) In fact. he made it a point to prove legalism, or salvation by law was never a means to eternal life.
However. For those who believe, he taught we should obey God. Just not by law. By walking in the spirit.
what he did is say that obeying commands will save you (law) In fact. he made it a point to prove legalism, or salvation by law was never a means to eternal life.
However. For those who believe, he taught we should obey God. Just not by law. By walking in the spirit.
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who invented a new day? Scripture said the church met on the first day of the week. The sabaath was a day of rest. Not a day picked out to worship God on only this day. Paul said we should worship God every day, God is no longer in a temple. he is in our hearts. Scripture also says not to judge others on day or days.. so whay are we still judging?
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1st off, The sabaath is not as stringent is the jews state it is, nor as many in the church hold it out to be.
why are you sticking to just this one?
Most christians break other commands to. Like Love the Lord your god with all your heart mind and spirit. we fail to do this daily as we chose self over God yet no one ever wants to talk about this command. Which if we look at it, would cover so many of the other commands..
Im sticking to this one because its the only one changed by the Christian churches. You said Paul didnt abolish commandments so why did they abolish the Jewish Sabbath and convert it to Sunday without authorisation from God. This is very serious it is lawbreaking and involves the wrath and punishment of God upon us. Remember Revelations flee the whore babylon so you will not share in her punishments.
Amen, if we are walking by the essence of the spirit of why a law exists, then we need no law to tell us how to do what is right.
Because we are already obeying that law without that law having to tell us. And we are doing so for having the righteous principle of that law written in our heart.
Because we are already obeying that law without that law having to tell us. And we are doing so for having the righteous principle of that law written in our heart.
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there is no talking to you. No one I know changed the sabaath to Sunday. The sabaath is not a day we meet. Again, Scripture states the church MET on the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. Your argument is with Scripture.. not me.
it seems you just want to nit pick. And not discuss it. I already showed you what the sabaath is. If you would look at it. you would see no one changed anything!
it seems you just want to nit pick. And not discuss it. I already showed you what the sabaath is. If you would look at it. you would see no one changed anything!
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First of all, to answer your first question, "terryshields" Paul didn't abolish the commandments, he show that its not by them that we are saved but by grace through faith. Second question, You got it wrong if your a true Christian you don't have religion-its a relationship with God. Third question, again with the religion same answer - about the 4th commandment - whether a person celebrates the Sabbath on a Sunday or Saturday it doesn't matter as long as you give God praise I believe He honor you for it. Lastly half of the Jews don't even believe that Jesus is the son of God. I don't remember anywhere in the Bible where it says "On Sunday God said "Let there be light." -- Now that I'm done - Is there anything else?