Whom did Cain married ??
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thanks for thatOne thing we must remember about this time is this, These people lived for 6, 7, or 800 years. In fact it is probably that Adam was still alive when Noah's Grandfather was born. Now I know that there not rabbits, But, just think how many children a couple could have given those time frames. Also, daughters were often left out genealogies.
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I mention non-human because one way to interpret Genesis (not correct, but being done) is that God took apes and upgraded them to get Adam and Eve. If that is true, then theoretically Cain might have married a non-upgraded ape.
You think Cain's wife came from Nod, and that is one possibility. Gill's commentary says you are wrong, and believes the Hebrew verbs imply Cain had his wife already. I do not agree with Gill, but it is clear that the case is not proven by your Scripture, as Gill consulted many authorities. Assuming you are right, and the wife is human and not from the garden community, then does that not prove that God created other humans who were not descended from anyone in the garden? That's a little hard to accept, since "Adam" is a plural noun. The word means "humanity" and was always interpreted that way, especially by the Jews, who ought to know their own language. Are you saying that God created many humans, and only favored some by putting them in the garden? The sin could only have occurred in the garden, since that is where the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was. If that is true, then the rest have not sinned, and so the Scripture that says in Adam ALL sinned is wrong.
You think Cain's wife came from Nod, and that is one possibility. Gill's commentary says you are wrong, and believes the Hebrew verbs imply Cain had his wife already. I do not agree with Gill, but it is clear that the case is not proven by your Scripture, as Gill consulted many authorities. Assuming you are right, and the wife is human and not from the garden community, then does that not prove that God created other humans who were not descended from anyone in the garden? That's a little hard to accept, since "Adam" is a plural noun. The word means "humanity" and was always interpreted that way, especially by the Jews, who ought to know their own language. Are you saying that God created many humans, and only favored some by putting them in the garden? The sin could only have occurred in the garden, since that is where the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was. If that is true, then the rest have not sinned, and so the Scripture that says in Adam ALL sinned is wrong.
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Kenisyes: Cain's wife came from Nod, and that is one possibility.
Nathan3: Well Cain had to know of the place. He did go there. ( Gen 4: 16 )
Gill's commentary says you are wrong, and believes the Hebrew verbs imply Cain had his wife already. I do not agree with
Gill,
Not sure who Gill is, but Gill has to follow the popular belief or he's out a Job and reputation. I don't have to worry about that. All I have to worry about is making sure God is happy: by reading all, His words.
but it is clear that the case is not proven by your Scripture, as Gill consulted many authorities.
I have no clue what authorities "Gill" consulted...And it is not my, scripture. I on the other hand consulted Genesis 1:26-31. I doubt Gill consulted that.
Assuming you are right, and the wife is human and not from the garden community, then does that not prove that God created other humans who were not descended from anyone in the garden?
The other people is proven: by the verses I pointed to, already-> *****Genesis 1:26-31*****
That's a little hard to accept,
I have no clue why, God's word says as much. We should not have a hard time accepting*****Genesis 1:26-31*****
since "Adam" is a plural noun. The word means "humanity" and was always interpreted that way, especially by the Jews, who ought to know their own language.
No comment here . because I'm addressing *****Genesis 1:26-31*****
Are you saying that God created many humans, and only favored some by putting them in the garden?
No I'm not saying that, never ever did. But you just said that here.
People are different: no surprise there. Anyone not living under a rock knows there are different people all over the world.
What *Genesis 1:26-31* shows us is that God created all the races of the world: And that it was good. Just like He created the Jews, Africans, Asians , Europeans , etc on and on it gos. All different.
Adam and Eve are different why ? Because through them Christ would come: The scriptures clearly show that.
The sin could only
have occurred in the garden, since that is where the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was. If that is true, then the rest have not sinned, and so the Scripture that says in Adam ALL sinned is wrong.
No again it is not wrong. Adam is mentioned because Christ would come through Adam's line. Everyone no matter who you are is saved through Christ... It has nothing to do with what peoples you come from. Or where you are.
It has to do with Christ saving. And Adam sinned , he was created by God. But Christ came through that line and never sinned : He has a life giving effect. That's all. The teaching that everyone works into that: that we all are messed up because of Adam does not take away from the other scripture I posted. Because people are not rightly dividing the word.
Just read *****Genesis 1:26-31***** again, very slowly. Then continue reading all the way to the "day"; Adam and Eve were created.
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Well, first John Gill is considered one of the foremost commentators of his time. The comments are from his commentary on Genesis, so he consulted every word of that passage.
You can consult Gen, 1:26-31 all you want, the answer is not there, because Gen 2:8 says after He made them, He put them in the garden. Does "them" apply to all, or only some? Did the residents of Nod, start out as Adam and Eve's children or not? Where does it say Cain did not have his wife until after he had gone to Nod? None of this is settled by that passage where you claim it is, as that passage covers only the making of man, not where he ended up. You can interpret that passage either way. The answer about Nod is in Gen. 4:16-17 if it is anywhere, and Gill says the Jews disagree with you, quoting Pirke Eliezar. There is no mention of any residents in the land of Nod. In fact, "Nod" means "vagrancy". It could just be an idiomatic expression for the fact that Cain was homeless.
You can consult Gen, 1:26-31 all you want, the answer is not there, because Gen 2:8 says after He made them, He put them in the garden. Does "them" apply to all, or only some? Did the residents of Nod, start out as Adam and Eve's children or not? Where does it say Cain did not have his wife until after he had gone to Nod? None of this is settled by that passage where you claim it is, as that passage covers only the making of man, not where he ended up. You can interpret that passage either way. The answer about Nod is in Gen. 4:16-17 if it is anywhere, and Gill says the Jews disagree with you, quoting Pirke Eliezar. There is no mention of any residents in the land of Nod. In fact, "Nod" means "vagrancy". It could just be an idiomatic expression for the fact that Cain was homeless.
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kenisyes : You can consult Gen, 1:26-31 all you want, the answer is not there, because Gen 2:8 says after He made them, He put them in the garden.
nathan3:
I am not sure why, anyone would connecting Gen 1: 26-31 ( the 6th day peoples ) with Gen 2: 8 ( where Adam and Even are Created ) It shows : Adam and Eve were created the day after the 7th.
kenisyes : Does "them" apply to all, or only some? Did the residents of Nod, start out as Adam and Eve's children or not? Where does it say Cain did not have his wife until after he had gone to Nod?
nathan3:The "them " in which verse ?
The residents of Nod started before Adam & Ev.That land was named after some one named Nod : so they couldn't have been from Adam and Eve's children: you won't find Nod in the genealogies of Adam & Eve.
Cain very well could have had his wife before entering into his wandering or exile, or land of Nod ( which; was on the east of Eden ). .But since he new of the land ( of which was named after peoples already ) it is possible he got his wife from said land or not. But you know why already I believe there were peoples other then Adam & Eve.
kenisyes :None of this is settled by that passage where you claim it is, as that passage covers only the making of man, not where he ended up.
nathan3: Why would it matter ;were they ended up & settled ? Earth is big, they could have settled anywhere God wanted them. ( That passage you say nothing is settled in my eyes settles it all )
The garden of God was on earth, but not the only place on earth . God said He gave the 6th day peoples land, animals plants herbs. etc. He blessed them, and told them to multiply and replenish the earth: That was the 6th day... He rested the 7th which no work was done. It was after that; that He created Adam and Eve and that anyone can plainly read, no matter how many so-called teachers/preachers try to ignore that passage.
kenisyes :You can interpret that passage either way.
The answer about Nod is in Gen. 4:16-17 if it is anywhere, and Gill says the Jews disagree with you, quoting Pirke Eliezar. There is no mention of any residents in the land of Nod. In fact, "Nod" means "vagrancy". It could just be an idiomatic expression for the fact that Cain was homeless.
nathan3: You can take the word Nod to mean that sure, it does translate to vagrancy . But even that, can not dismiss the clear fact that God created people before Adam and Eve - ( Gen 1 : 26-31 ) I hope people stop ignoring that place in the Bible.
nathan3:
I am not sure why, anyone would connecting Gen 1: 26-31 ( the 6th day peoples ) with Gen 2: 8 ( where Adam and Even are Created ) It shows : Adam and Eve were created the day after the 7th.
kenisyes : Does "them" apply to all, or only some? Did the residents of Nod, start out as Adam and Eve's children or not? Where does it say Cain did not have his wife until after he had gone to Nod?
nathan3:The "them " in which verse ?
The residents of Nod started before Adam & Ev.That land was named after some one named Nod : so they couldn't have been from Adam and Eve's children: you won't find Nod in the genealogies of Adam & Eve.
Cain very well could have had his wife before entering into his wandering or exile, or land of Nod ( which; was on the east of Eden ). .But since he new of the land ( of which was named after peoples already ) it is possible he got his wife from said land or not. But you know why already I believe there were peoples other then Adam & Eve.
kenisyes :None of this is settled by that passage where you claim it is, as that passage covers only the making of man, not where he ended up.
nathan3: Why would it matter ;were they ended up & settled ? Earth is big, they could have settled anywhere God wanted them. ( That passage you say nothing is settled in my eyes settles it all )
The garden of God was on earth, but not the only place on earth . God said He gave the 6th day peoples land, animals plants herbs. etc. He blessed them, and told them to multiply and replenish the earth: That was the 6th day... He rested the 7th which no work was done. It was after that; that He created Adam and Eve and that anyone can plainly read, no matter how many so-called teachers/preachers try to ignore that passage.
kenisyes :You can interpret that passage either way.
The answer about Nod is in Gen. 4:16-17 if it is anywhere, and Gill says the Jews disagree with you, quoting Pirke Eliezar. There is no mention of any residents in the land of Nod. In fact, "Nod" means "vagrancy". It could just be an idiomatic expression for the fact that Cain was homeless.
nathan3: You can take the word Nod to mean that sure, it does translate to vagrancy . But even that, can not dismiss the clear fact that God created people before Adam and Eve - ( Gen 1 : 26-31 ) I hope people stop ignoring that place in the Bible.
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Adam the archetype (so Philo of Alexandria) was created on the sixth day. The statement in Gen. 2 refers to the creation of his body. Gen. 1 is bara, the creation of purpose, Gen. 2 is yatsar - the creation of the physical manifestation. 2:5 says specifically no men were created earlier, thus proving the residents of Nod, if human, were not earlier as you claim (that brings us back to the option of the upgraded subhuman wife I mentioned originally). The "them" is the appropriate pronoun for hAdam - the man in 2:8. I stated Adam is plural in Hebrew; it takes plural verb and pronoun. Nod does not need to be a person, any more than "Exile" needs to be a person in English. Hebrew has no capital letters, you cannot tell whether a proper name is meant. Cain did not need to "know" the land in the east. The rest of the people went north and west to become Sumeria, Anatolia, and Egypt. If he was in exile, he had to go east. You also cannot tell from the Hebrew tenses if Cain knew his wife before arriving in Nod. Hebrew does not have a past perfect tense, and thus simple past can also mean he had known his wife at some earlier date.
You have stopped addressing the question, and seem to just be trying to prove me wrong about 3000 years of tradition of interpretation. You state "it is possible he got his wife from said land or not", showing this line of discussion has nothing further to contribute to this question of the OP. When you are ready to talk about Hebrew tenses, famous commentaries, and Jewish writings, we can move this topic to a thread, if you like. There are other threads about this idea, but they all assume that God created and destroyed a race at an earlier date. None that ever questioned that some of the people linving on the earth were not children of Adam and Eve, as you are doing, as it flatly contradicts the word "all" in Gen. 3:20
You have stopped addressing the question, and seem to just be trying to prove me wrong about 3000 years of tradition of interpretation. You state "it is possible he got his wife from said land or not", showing this line of discussion has nothing further to contribute to this question of the OP. When you are ready to talk about Hebrew tenses, famous commentaries, and Jewish writings, we can move this topic to a thread, if you like. There are other threads about this idea, but they all assume that God created and destroyed a race at an earlier date. None that ever questioned that some of the people linving on the earth were not children of Adam and Eve, as you are doing, as it flatly contradicts the word "all" in Gen. 3:20
Christian eyes almost universally view Genesis 2:7-25 as a re-telling of Gen 1:24-31 in more detail. The 'they' is Adam and Eve and none other.
As Key pointed out, Genesis 2:5 establishes that point of view, in that it specifically says that before the events of Genesis 2:5 there was not a man (to till the ground).
You're looking at the verse through the eyes of a specific sect and ideology, not Christian eyes per se.
As Key pointed out, Genesis 2:5 establishes that point of view, in that it specifically says that before the events of Genesis 2:5 there was not a man (to till the ground).
You're looking at the verse through the eyes of a specific sect and ideology, not Christian eyes per se.
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cain definitely married a close relative because there were no other people on earth at the time...as someone already said this was not sinful because there was no law about it at the time...
adam and eve were the male and female created on the sixth day...there were no other humans created...
suggesting otherwise is a serious false doctrine...and more dangerous than most people realize...because jesus' status as the 'last adam' is directly dependent on the descent of all humankind from one 'first adam'
to claim that God created other humans besides adam and eve is to claim that there are other human lineages not affected by the curse of sin or saved by the life and death of jesus...
adam and eve were the male and female created on the sixth day...there were no other humans created...
suggesting otherwise is a serious false doctrine...and more dangerous than most people realize...because jesus' status as the 'last adam' is directly dependent on the descent of all humankind from one 'first adam'
to claim that God created other humans besides adam and eve is to claim that there are other human lineages not affected by the curse of sin or saved by the life and death of jesus...
