Whom did Cain married ??

[homwardbound]

who else are alive at that time .. and who are they ?

The Word does not give us that God only followed for us in the lineage of Adam and Eve

 

[homwardbound]

okay thanks for that

Sex then was not of a reprobate mind it was for procreation and that alone it was not misused then as it is today

 

[homwardbound]

Also, at this time there was no law. Every man did what was right in his own eye. So marring a sister or cousin was not frowned upon and there was no law against it.

Again it was not done for just pleasure as it is today being a temporal waste of pleasure that has caused a reprobate mind and all kinds of evil has come from this and the world thrives on it to sell sell sell. it was done for God said go forth and replenish the earth Procreation only at that time but it changed in time and we got Sodom and Gommorah, slavery and all

 

[homwardbound]

Well, first John Gill is considered one of the foremost commentators of his time. The comments are from his commentary on Genesis, so he consulted every word of that passage.

You can consult Gen, 1:26-31 all you want, the answer is not there, because Gen 2:8 says after He made them, He put them in the garden. Does "them" apply to all, or only some? Did the residents of Nod, start out as Adam and Eve's children or not? Where does it say Cain did not have his wife until after he had gone to Nod? None of this is settled by that passage where you claim it is, as that passage covers only the making of man, not where he ended up. You can interpret that passage either way. The answer about Nod is in Gen. 4:16-17 if it is anywhere, and Gill says the Jews disagree with you, quoting Pirke Eliezar. There is no mention of any residents in the land of Nod. In fact, "Nod" means "vagrancy". It could just be an idiomatic expression for the fact that Cain was homeless.

Again all of this becomes null and void after the flood. All are wiped out dead except Noah and all that were on the Ark and we know who was on the ark. And so today we all are in and under the lineage of Adam period. It is what it is

 

[Anonimous]

Why is this topic so important?

It's not...

 

[PS]

This is the Bronze age.

Genesis chapter 4

"13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive (who was he hiding from if there weren't other people?) and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. (Other people+ death penalty for murder = a legal system, this was a sophisticated society.)

15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. (Other people)

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD ( meaning they were pagans), and dwelt in the land of Nod (this was the Kenite tribe - Jewish Encyclopaedia) on the east of Eden. The father-in-law of Moses was from this tribe, but that was much later.

17And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. (Cain had a wife who wasn't his mother, they were building walled cities which is dating evidence, cities were built for people and walled cities were built for defence against other people and other nations.)

18And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.

19And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

20And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. (They were tent dwellers, our ancestors were cave dwellers and they were farmers rather than their ancestors who were hunter gatherers. Cain was a farmer and Able was a shepherd)

21And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. (Early man did not have sophisticated musical instruments, neither could they make fire.)

22And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah. (Brass and iron, early man used stone tools, this is the bronze age.)
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[kenisyes]

Again all of this becomes null and void after the flood. All are wiped out dead except Noah and all that were on the Ark and we know who was on the ark. And so today we all are in and under the lineage of Adam period. It is what it is

You are correct. The flood nullifies the argument that there can be no humans other than children of Adam based on the fact that in Adam "all sinned". Because of the flood, only descendants of Adam through Noah are left alive to be considered. However the proof from Ge. 3:20, still states specifically, "Eve became the mother of all the living". That is enough to demonstrate that Cain's wife is a descendant of Eve.

 

[PS]

You are correct. The flood nullifies the argument that there can be no humans other than children of Adam based on the fact that in Adam "all sinned". Because of the flood, only descendants of Adam through Noah are left alive to be considered. However the proof from Ge. 3:20, still states specifically, "Eve became the mother of all the living". That is enough to demonstrate that Cain's wife is a descendant of Eve.

Can I ask if you are a "young earther" ken?

 

[kenisyes]

Can I ask if you are a "young earther" ken?

Probably. Human consciousness is all we will ever know. Since we invent the passage of time, we can make it anyway we want to. Human consciousness started about 3700 BC, so the "earth", meaning where we live and represent God, started just a little before that. For scientific purposes, I like around 4000BC plus or minus a century or two.

 

[JGPS]

Human consciousness is all we will ever know.

People are very rarely aware of that. It's refreshing to see someone state that fact plainly like that.

 

[PS]

Probably. Human consciousness is all we will ever know. Since we invent the passage of time, we can make it anyway we want to. Human consciousness started about 3700 BC, so the "earth", meaning where we live and represent God, started just a little before that. For scientific purposes, I like around 4000BC plus or minus a century or two.

Thank you for your response Ken. As writing began around the time you mention you may be right to date human conscious from that time, but there was an awful lot happening between days one to five.

Anyway I will leave you with the Bible and Genesis 4 that tells us Adam and Eve were not the only people and let you work it out for yourself.

God bless.

 

[styler]

Hello,

Whom did Cain married .. ??

Who is She .. ?

Hello my name is styler, I just join. Some people believe that Cain wife is Lilith (Adam's supposed first wife). Because of Genesis 1:27 " God created mankind in His own image, in the image He created them male and female ". Then in Genesis 2:20 God put Adam to sleep and took one of his ribs and made Woman. Some people say Lilith was not good enough , she was curse and have to leace the Garden, so Eve was created. Everyone read the bible don't get the some meanig, or maybe they put things they read the way they want it be.

 

[Abiding]

Most excellent eisegesis. In this thread. With a touch of jewish mythology. very nice

 

[kenisyes]

Thank you for your response Ken. As writing began around the time you mention you may be right to date human conscious from that time, but there was an awful lot happening between days one to five.

Anyway I will leave you with the Bible and Genesis 4 that tells us Adam and Eve were not the only people and let you work it out for yourself.

God bless.

I don't see any such people. There are three possibilities that you could be referring to, but all are contradicted by the fact that Eve became the mother of all the living.
First, Eve says of Cain "I have gotten a man from the Lord". This refers to Cain's likeness, as is reflected in Gen. 5:3. He still comes from Adam.
Second, the question of who was the sign on Cain placed there to save him from? This common question is answered simply, they were the other descendants of Adam and Eve, who had already settled in what is now Egypt, Sumeria, and Anatolia, through whose regions Cain might travel to reach the lands in the east. Tradition tells us that in fact, Cain was killed by Lamech's arrow shooting blind. You need only to note how quickly states (like Kentucky and Ohio) were formed in the American frontier, to see how just a few kids can have enough kids to fill a state, and these people had children at age 12.
Third, is the implication of Gen. 5:3, that the first children were not in Adam's likeness. That is a question of spiritual potential, not of parentage.

 

[kenisyes]

Hello my name is styler, I just join. Some people believe that Cain wife is Lilith (Adam's supposed first wife). Because of Genesis 1:27 " God created mankind in His own image, in the image He created them male and female ". Then in Genesis 2:20 God put Adam to sleep and took one of his ribs and made Woman. Some people say Lilith was not good enough , she was curse and have to leace the Garden, so Eve was created. Everyone read the bible don't get the some meanig, or maybe they put things they read the way they want it be.

This is a workable solution. Lilith is the night demon, or course, right? What sort of beings were the inhabitants of the city Cain built?

 

[twofeet]

"

I mention non-human because one way to interpret Genesis (not correct, but being done) is that God took apes and upgraded them to get Adam and Eve. If that is true, then theoretically Cain might have married a non-upgraded ape.

You think Cain's wife came from Nod, and that is one possibility. Gill's commentary says you are wrong, and believes the Hebrew verbs imply Cain had his wife already. I do not agree with Gill, but it is clear that the case is not proven by your Scripture, as Gill consulted many authorities. Assuming you are right, and the wife is human and not from the garden community, then does that not prove that God created other humans who were not descended from anyone in the garden? That's a little hard to accept, since "Adam" is a plural noun. The word means "humanity" and was always interpreted that way, especially by the Jews, who ought to know their own language. Are you saying that God created many humans, and only favored some by putting them in the garden? The sin could only have occurred in the garden, since that is where the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was. If that is true, then the rest have not sinned, and so the Scripture that says in Adam ALL sinned is wrong.[/QUO"

Not only was Adam cursed but so was the ground he was made from. So any more people made from the ground were also cursed. Simples really. It just said that Adam was the first man made by God.....not to say he was the last.

 

[PS]

I don't see any such people. There are three possibilities that you could be referring to, but all are contradicted by the fact that Eve became the mother of all the living.
First, Eve says of Cain "I have gotten a man from the Lord". This refers to Cain's likeness, as is reflected in Gen. 5:3. He still comes from Adam.
Second, the question of who was the sign on Cain placed there to save him from? This common question is answered simply, they were the other descendants of Adam and Eve, who had already settled in what is now Egypt, Sumeria, and Anatolia, through whose regions Cain might travel to reach the lands in the east. Tradition tells us that in fact, Cain was killed by Lamech's arrow shooting blind. You need only to note how quickly states (like Kentucky and Ohio) were formed in the American frontier, to see how just a few kids can have enough kids to fill a state, and these people had children at age 12.
Third, is the implication of Gen. 5:3, that the first children were not in Adam's likeness. That is a question of spiritual potential, not of parentage.

Hello Ken, I'm not going to be able to explain to you that the Hebrew for man, meaning humankind, is aw-dawm which was translated as Adam in chapter two thereby giving the first homo sapiens (plural) the name Adam. This led to the Hebrews beginning their history with the father of Cain and Able who they called Adam from the Hebrew for man.

What you won't accept, and I know this from previous experience, is that there were thousands of years between the first homo sapiens 'aw-dawm' and the people of chapter four who were living in the Bronze Age, the father of Cain and Able being called Adam just as people are today are called Adam, again thousands of years later and I am sure you will appreciate that the man called Adam living in my road is not the same Adam who was the father of Cain and Able even if he called his children Cain and Able he would still not be the same man, and this is what happened all those years ago.

I have tried my best and I know I will have failed.

God bless.

 

[kenisyes]

"

I mention non-human because one way to interpret Genesis (not correct, but being done) is that God took apes and upgraded them to get Adam and Eve. If that is true, then theoretically Cain might have married a non-upgraded ape.

You think Cain's wife came from Nod, and that is one possibility. Gill's commentary says you are wrong, and believes the Hebrew verbs imply Cain had his wife already. I do not agree with Gill, but it is clear that the case is not proven by your Scripture, as Gill consulted many authorities. Assuming you are right, and the wife is human and not from the garden community, then does that not prove that God created other humans who were not descended from anyone in the garden? That's a little hard to accept, since "Adam" is a plural noun. The word means "humanity" and was always interpreted that way, especially by the Jews, who ought to know their own language. Are you saying that God created many humans, and only favored some by putting them in the garden? The sin could only have occurred in the garden, since that is where the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was. If that is true, then the rest have not sinned, and so the Scripture that says in Adam ALL sinned is wrong.[/QUO"

Not only was Adam cursed but so was the ground he was made from. So any more people made from the ground were also cursed. Simples really. It just said that Adam was the first man made by God.....not to say he was the last.

This is the second great proof that you cannot use the Scripture "in Adam, all sinned" to prove that all the people came from the garden community. What about the phrase Eve "became the mother of all the living"? Doesn't that disqualify there being any people who were not children of Eve?

 

[kenisyes]

Hello Ken, I'm not going to be able to explain to you that the Hebrew for man, meaning humankind, is aw-dawm which was translated as Adam in chapter two thereby giving the first homo sapiens (plural) the name Adam. This led to the Hebrews beginning their history with the father of Cain and Able who they called Adam from the Hebrew for man.

What you won't accept, and I know this from previous experience, is that there were thousands of years between the first homo sapiens 'aw-dawm' and the people of chapter four who were living in the Bronze Age, the father of Cain and Able being called Adam just as people are today are called Adam, again thousands of years later and I am sure you will appreciate that the man called Adam living in my road is not the same Adam who was the father of Cain and Able even if he called his children Cain and Able he would still not be the same man, and this is what happened all those years ago.

I have tried my best and I know I will have failed.

God bless.

It would be easier to convince me if you were correct.

Adam is first used in Gen. 1:26, not first in ch. 2.
The Hebrew calendar begins with Enosh, not with Adam. In-between, men are also called aish. Enosh is the first whose name means "mortal" or "weakness". These are the three Hebrew words for man. The prior generations are considered archetypes or prototypes of what we in English call men and women. But you are right, Adam is plural. The word is actually derived from "red", and actually decomposes into A - dam, or "he who shapes the earth" with "(flesh and) blood". Hebrew history begins with Adam to explain the purpose God had for Enosh.

Nonetheless, I believe there were real people who did these things, or else I would have responded to the OP with the idea that Cain didn't have a real wife because he is an archetype.

The people of chapter 4 were mostly not living in the "bronze age". They made things out of gold and copper; bronze came after the flood.

 

[jackdove]

I really dont know if this will make any sense, but if we really recollect the story of creation and the story from the garden we can say something like this, as when all the animals and creatures were created by lord they were all created as male and female, and who named them was it not adam, so i feel that the serpent name was given by adam to this beast who had a female counterpart too, thats why when God saw that adams face had fallen for he not having any female that was up to his par He thats God created eve for him, this so callled serpent was like a human but not in likeness of God thats without the power of reasoning good and bad. Eve was tempted by this male serpent and as it says in the bible beguiled( sexually arose) and yes she did what she was not permitted to do thats to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge ( this fruit is nothing but having sex with the serpent and having seen that she did not die and it was good to do so did the same with adam, so we have two seeds comming out of eve thats one of serpent and other of adam, now this so called serpent did multiple and they had children but they were not like humans which God had created so yes cain did marry one of this children and so did many at later stage and thus we have good people who think wisely and like wise God and we have those who are comming from the lineage of cain. I dont know if this makes any sense as this is what i have felt reading the bible and studying it on my own.