Whom did Cain married ??

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You keep using the word "scrolls" as though there is a definitive collection somewhere. Our discussion is whether our current Scriptures are wrong, since they were altered sometime after the scrolls, and thus the scrolls are more definitive. Until we can establish the dates of the scrolls, we don't know which came first. I ask again which scrolls.

As your next post says, "even the Hebews have trouble with hebrew". I agree with that. "Murderer" is at best a conjectural translation for "caused to happen". If you wish to prove that Satan is a murderer from John, and that the serpent and Satan are the same from Revelation, fine. But you only gave this passage and told me the word was there. I am questioning the method, for reasons that I think I can state better in the next post.
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I seriously doubt the Nephilim started their work this early on. That's a lot of speculation with little, if any, evidence.
Actually it is all speculation and can lead and does and has led to deception which is waht happened to Adam and Eve the serpent caused doubt and then they became awre and sought to do for the self and would do good only if they got something out of it. for amn had to work withoutt he joy that they had. Today with the new life in the Spirit the joy is returned and we are content in all things because we trust in God therefore today we can rest, by the reception of God-Quill in place of Ny-Quill
 
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sed ,(some more than others)P was just stating an observation. I do think Nod was a land. But my exsperience in studting scripture seem that a lot of insight cane be gained by the meaning of words used (some more than others). Also peoples geological knowledge leaves more to be desired than less. A question I have always had about 2:5 :every plant of the field before it was in the earth,and every herb before it grew" do you folks think this is speaking of the creation in the mind of the lord before it was manifested on the earth?? any opinions. Thanks
 

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sed ,(some more than others)P was just stating an observation. I do think Nod was a land. But my exsperience in studting scripture seem that a lot of insight cane be gained by the meaning of words used (some more than others). Also peoples geological knowledge leaves more to be desired than less. A question I have always had about 2:5 :every plant of the field before it was in the earth,and every herb before it grew" do you folks think this is speaking of the creation in the mind of the lord before it was manifested on the earth?? any opinions. Thanks
Does this help from the ISV?

Gen 2:4 These are the records of how the heavens and the earth were created. On the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 no shrubs had yet grown in the meadows of the earth and no vegetation had sprouted, because the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there were no human beings to work the ground.

This is a typical middle Eastern desert which requires human effort to irrigate and make it bloom. :)
 
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Does this help from the ISV?

Gen 2:4 These are the records of how the heavens and the earth were created. On the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 no shrubs had yet grown in the meadows of the earth and no vegetation had sprouted, because the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there were no human beings to work the ground.

This is a typical middle Eastern desert which requires human effort to irrigate and make it bloom. :)
Does no body find it strange the scripture says, "God made the earth and the heavens?" Why does it not read, "God made the universe and the heavens?" Why does it say just, "The earth?" Is our demenision the earth, and our planet the wilderness planet of th universe called earth.
 
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Sure but the term "the heavens and the earth" was the Hebrew equivalent of our term "the universe". In short, they mean the same thing.
 
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Sure but the term "the heavens and the earth" was the Hebrew equivalent of our term "the universe". In short, they mean the same thing.
What hebrew words would those be?
 
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Yes, maybe so. It also begins with a capital letter so it must be naming something. If we read the Bible, Nod identifies as city, most likely one that moves from place to place (is nomadic).
Biblical Hebrew does not use capitals.
 
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Is this possible having something to do with the Nephilim were they had sex and giants were of thast day before the flood hmm an inquiring mind has wondered about this before
One could suggest that, and that's where I think Domenic is going. The standard story is that nephilim came about by certain children of Adam who were angy about not being let back in the garden after they repented, so they called on fallen angels to possess them, and give them knowledge. This is a little different story. If these fallen angels are pseudo-animals of some type, it may call for a different linkage than fallen-angelic possession. That's why I asked about what type of beings these things are.
 
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One could suggest that, and that's where I think Domenic is going. The standard story is that nephilim came about by certain children of Adam who were angy about not being let back in the garden after they repented, so they called on fallen angels to possess them, and give them knowledge. This is a little different story. If these fallen angels are pseudo-animals of some type, it may call for a different linkage than fallen-angelic possession. That's why I asked about what type of beings these things are.
You are almost at ground zero Kenisyes. After God created Adam, God told the angels to serve adam. The angels rebeled against that command.(1/3 of them.) God cast them down to the Garden as angel/ human/animal like creatures to serve man.
They were a high form of animal, almost human like. Satans plan to free himself, and the other angels from serving man, was to get man out of favor with God. man could not take seed from the animal tree. (sex.) Are you startying to see a picture?
 
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I seriously doubt the Nephilim started their work this early on. That's a lot of speculation with little, if any, evidence.
200 years, according to the legends. But they were all children of Adam and Eve. They built the sphinx and the Egyptian "chapels" by it, I believe, which is why there is water damage on them not present in Egypt itself. One of the first peices of knowledge they got as nephilim was rain-making technology.
 
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As was said just a post ago soil shifts, which I accept but once underground things cannot move and some of these mines are over half a mile deep and it takes a very long time for things to get buried that deep.

If you could perhaps think about all that may have happened in the Garden of Eden, you may come to think that a lot of time passed by between the creation of mankind, the expulsion from the Garden and Cain building a walled city. Cain can mean wandering, but it became known as the land of Cain and this is where the Canaanite tribe came from. Neither will a walled city wander or those who are building it. I think you will find Cain settled there, got married and had children. :)

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The same as H5112; vagrancy; Nod, the land of Cain: - Nod.
Cain is with a Q in Hebrew, Canaan is with a K. They look the same in English, but one did not come from the other linguistically. Besides, the tribes of Canaanites come from Noah's son, not from Cain, whose porgeny died in the flood.

Things can move many yards underground very quickly in an earthquake. Plato states specifically that he believed during the fall of Atlantis entire islands rose and fell. In his own day, there were shoals that made passage of Greek ships dangerous beyond the pillars of Hercules. They are not there now, so ocean depths have changed in that time. And there have been no continental shifts between Plato and now, as probably happened when the sun stood still for Joshua, and for King Hezekiah, when it retrograded ten degrees, and of course in Noah's flood. Those shifts would have caused far more widespread earthquakes, could have built up enough pressure to make coal in hours, and changed the flow of many underground streams that would later move things around.
 

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These were apostates and giants in warfare. Is is because the Israelites were marrying unbelievers that the flood came.

Genesis 6:4

giants — The term in Hebrew implies not so much the idea of great stature as of reckless ferocity, impious and daring characters, who spread devastation and carnage far and wide.

There were giants in the earth - נפלים nephilim, from נפל naphal, “he fell.” Those who had apostatized or fallen from the true religion. The Septuagint translate the original word by γιγαντες, which literally signifies earth-born, and which we, following them, term giants, without having any reference to the meaning of the word, which we generally conceive to signify persons of enormous stature. But the word when properly understood makes a very just distinction between the sons of men and the sons of God; those were the nephilim, the fallen earth-born men, with the animal and devilish mind. These were the sons of God, who were born from above; (the same as we are) children of the kingdom, because children of God. Hence we may suppose originated the different appellatives given to sinners and saints; the former were termed γιγαντες, earth-born, and the latter, ἁγιοι, i.e. saints, persons not of the earth, or separated from the earth.

Clarke.
 
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What hebrew words would those be?
shamayim=heavens eretz=earth. But in the many daily prayers, the Jews translate olam as universe. Olam is used many times in Scripture, usually translated everlasting.
 
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Ps said: "These were apostates and giants in warfare. Is is because the Israelites were marrying unbelievers that the flood came."

The Israelities came after the flood, not before. Did you write your own Bible?
 

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Ps said: "These were apostates and giants in warfare. Is is because the Israelites were marrying unbelievers that the flood came."

The Israelities came after the flood, not before. Did you write your own Bible?
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200 years, according to the legends. But they were all children of Adam and Eve. They built the sphinx and the Egyptian "chapels" by it, I believe, which is why there is water damage on them not present in Egypt itself. One of the first peices of knowledge they got as nephilim was rain-making technology.
Ah, yes. The rain-making machine. I'm currently reading your paper on the topic. I agree with much of the Nephilim-related theories (ala Enoch) but some of the other seems far-fetched. But then truth is stranger than fiction.

shamayim=heavens eretz=earth. But in the many daily prayers, the Jews translate olam as universe. Olam is used many times in Scripture, usually translated everlasting.
Thanks for answering Domenic's post, Kenisyes. I'm in Australia, so I was asleep until a few hours ago.
 
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She didn't have a name.

She was not his sister either.

Adam and Eve were not the only humans alive at that time.
If she wasn't his sister where in the world did she come from? God created Adam and Eve. Noone else. They populated the world. There wasn't anyone else to marry.
 
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You are almost at ground zero Kenisyes. After God created Adam, God told the angels to serve adam. The angels rebeled against that command.(1/3 of them.) God cast them down to the Garden as angel/ human/animal like creatures to serve man.
They were a high form of animal, almost human like. Satans plan to free himself, and the other angels from serving man, was to get man out of favor with God. man could not take seed from the animal tree. (sex.) Are you startying to see a picture?
Where in the Bible does it say that? Nowhere.