Whom did Cain married ??

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Provided you give it enough time like 300 million years.
Most things (diamond, jewels, petroleum) can be lab created in hours, not millions of years.

Are you even aware that time in and of itself has no effect on things? It is the forces applied to things that make them change state. When proper forces are applied the changes happen quickly.
 

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Most things (diamond, jewels, petroleum) can be lab created in hours, not millions of years.

Are you even aware that time in and of itself has no effect on things? It is the forces applied to things that make them change state. When proper forces are applied the changes happen quickly.
Synthetics which are as fake as YEC.
 
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Synthetics which are as fake as YEC.
Synthetics are quite real, and do prove that these things can be made in much shorter periods of time.

The reality of science is something a guy like you couldn't stand, but it is what it is. I'm sure you're going to culticly cling to the factoids you hold dear no matter the evidence to the contrary.
 

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Synthetics are quite real, and do prove that these things can be made in much shorter periods of time.

The reality of science is something a guy like you couldn't stand, but it is what it is. I'm sure you're going to culticly cling to the factoids you hold dear no matter the evidence to the contrary.
Both the Bible and science reveal the age of the earth and that is what is so wonderful about scripture.

As for synthetics being real, of course they are real, so are the cults but they are fakes none-the-less.
 
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Both the Bible and science reveal the age of the earth and that is what is so wonderful about scripture.

As for synthetics being real, of course they are real, so are the cults but they are fakes none-the-less.
Are you still not understanding that it is in fact force and not time that forms these materials?

I'm supposing that pointing out that neither actually reveals that information would be fruitless with you eh? Like most cultists you'll write in whatever you need to make scripture say what you want to believe?
 

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Are you still not understanding that it is in fact force and not time that forms these materials?

I'm supposing that pointing out that neither actually reveals that information would be fruitless with you eh? Like most cultists you'll write in whatever you need to make scripture say what you want to believe?
Do you not read previous posts?

Read #70 and 71 about force and then try to understand what a nonsense it is.
 
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What I injected into the scripture was taken from the Scrolls. The word seems to have two meanings. One is Murderer, the other, As best as I can describe the meaning, "Taker of life." or "Causing the event to happen." Satan is also called a murder in many scriptures, such as John 8:44. Some reject thhe word taker of life, and prefer, "Causing the event."
Perhaps "Causing the event comes from our present day law. If you cause and event on purpose, and a person dies, it can be viewed as murder.
You keep using the word "scrolls" as though there is a definitive collection somewhere. Our discussion is whether our current Scriptures are wrong, since they were altered sometime after the scrolls, and thus the scrolls are more definitive. Until we can establish the dates of the scrolls, we don't know which came first. I ask again which scrolls.

As your next post says, "even the Hebews have trouble with hebrew". I agree with that. "Murderer" is at best a conjectural translation for "caused to happen". If you wish to prove that Satan is a murderer from John, and that the serpent and Satan are the same from Revelation, fine. But you only gave this passage and told me the word was there. I am questioning the method, for reasons that I think I can state better in the next post.
 
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Kenisyes,
It is hard for me to explain in our language, (English.) I got more help with Hebrew. I find things easer to explain scriptures written in the Greek. Example: This brings to light how much English is lacking.
When Jesus said, “Love your enemy,” he used the word, “Agape.” There are four words for love in Greek. In English, we have only one.
Eros. Used for love of a women. Phileo for like a brother, And there is one more, but it’s not used in the Bible.
Hebrew is harder, because even the Hebrews have a problem with it. That is why they don’t say Gods name…for fear of saying it wrong.
I used Jehovah for many years, than found out that was not even close, so I went to Jah. This past year I began using Yawhee. I’m building within my self a fear of saying his name wrong. In payer I refer to him as, The God of my Lord Jesus. I know how the Hebrews feel…lol.
What do you call him?
What I call God depends on who I am talking to.

I promised in the last post to put this here:

My concern is over the best way to process who the descendants of Adam and Lilith are. I think it was you who called them something kind of like animals. I believe this is related to the nephilim, and since they were on the earth after the flood, and some think they are still among us, we need to be careful with this. It is not just ancient history washed away in the flood. When I think of the evil angels descended to earth, I do not think of animals close to humans, I think of humans with demons joined to them. My reasons are archeological: that's what the records say.

I don't know how you think of this, but when I hear of "evil angels cast down to earth as animals nearly human in form", I think of modern day vampires and werewolves (assuming they really existed). In my mind the Nephilim were more like humans who received denomic intelligence, making them very powerful, like Lex Luther, Superman's arch villain.
 
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It would also be hard for you to explain how trees that can live for hundreds of years before falling to the ground, get to be covered by soil to a depth of over half a mile in a few years so it can become coal virtually overnight instead of the 300 million years it actually takes.
Or why if soil covers trees in just a few years, dinosaur bones are so close to the top of the soil pack in many places. I assume the soil comes and goes, and the pressure under it can change. By the way, trees that put on rings way more than once a year are quite well known. There have been many threads on this,and many books, or old vs. young earth.
 

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Or why if soil covers trees in just a few years, dinosaur bones are so close to the top of the soil pack in many places. I assume the soil comes and goes, and the pressure under it can change. By the way, trees that put on rings way more than once a year are quite well known. There have been many threads on this,and many books, or old vs. young earth.
Things do gradually work their way into the ground. This is due to the activity of worms that bring soil to the top. I have dug ground over and found plastic bags just under the surface caused by that very thing.

Dinosaurs are a good example which illustrates how slow the process is considering they were living 230 million years ago and yet there are bones still on the surface.

Just to add, I doubt tree trunks get covered over by soil in just a few years, rather they rot aided by insect activity and wet.
 
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Do you not read previous posts?

Read #70 and 71 about force and then try to understand what a nonsense it is.
You posted a picture of coal... That has no bearing on what it takes to form coal. It is proven that minerals are formed by heat and pressure, time is a component but millions of years is not the nessisary time-span...
 
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Just to add, I doubt tree trunks get covered over by soil in just a few years, rather they rot aided by insect activity and wet.
You don't go into forests much do you?

The earth is very active and chaining, very often things can get buried in a rainy season. The topsoil is moved very often by the elements and creatures, thats part of the reason it's not consistent, when every geological layer under it is more or less consistent.
 

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You posted a picture of coal... That has no bearing on what it takes to form coal. It is proven that minerals are formed by heat and pressure, time is a component but millions of years is not the nessisary time-span...
The coal being on the surface indicates it is formed over time rather than by force.
 
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I think "Nod" mean to wander . I think the real point is that Cain was a wanderer ,cast out from God.
 

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You don't go into forests much do you?

The earth is very active and chaining, very often things can get buried in a rainy season. The topsoil is moved very often by the elements and creatures, thats part of the reason it's not consistent, when every geological layer under it is more or less consistent.
My orienteering takes me into forests a lot.
 
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Things do gradually work their way into the ground. This is due to the activity of worms that bring soil to the top. I have dug ground over and found plastic bags just under the surface caused by that very thing.

Dinosaurs are a good example which illustrates how slow the process is considering they were living 230 million years ago and yet there are bones still on the surface.

Just to add, I doubt tree trunks get covered over by soil in just a few years, rather they rot aided by insect activity and wet.
Your theory is internally consistent, but I think other explanations might be too, once all the relevant facts are assembled. The "forest" is a pretty complicated thing. It's hard even to know what is a relevant fact.
 
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I think "Nod" mean to wander . I think the real point is that Cain was a wanderer ,cast out from God.
Yes, maybe so. It also begins with a capital letter so it must be naming something. If we read the Bible, Nod identifies as city, most likely one that moves from place to place (is nomadic).
 

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This is a workable solution. Lilith is the night demon, or course, right? What sort of beings were the inhabitants of the city Cain built?
Is this possible having something to do with the Nephilim were they had sex and giants were of thast day before the flood hmm an inquiring mind has wondered about this before
 
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I seriously doubt the Nephilim started their work this early on. That's a lot of speculation with little, if any, evidence.
 

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Your theory is internally consistent, but I think other explanations might be too, once all the relevant facts are assembled. The "forest" is a pretty complicated thing. It's hard even to know what is a relevant fact.
As was said just a post ago soil shifts, which I accept but once underground things cannot move and some of these mines are over half a mile deep and it takes a very long time for things to get buried that deep.

If you could perhaps think about all that may have happened in the Garden of Eden, you may come to think that a lot of time passed by between the creation of mankind, the expulsion from the Garden and Cain building a walled city. Cain can mean wandering, but it became known as the land of Cain and this is where the Canaanite tribe came from. Neither will a walled city wander or those who are building it. I think you will find Cain settled there, got married and had children. :)

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The same as H5112; vagrancy; Nod, the land of Cain: - Nod.