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I don't think you understand what I am saying yet...

I am saying that the actual meaning of the scripture-in-focus is not that the generation being spoken to would see the complete fulfillment of all of the prophecy; rather, it is saying that the generation being spoken to would see the beginning of the fulfillment of the prophecy.

In other words, they would see the prophecy begin to be fulfilled - not that they would see all of it fulfilled to completion.

I am saying - that is what it is actually saying. It does not say that any generation would see all of it during that generation.

It says that - before the [then] generation passed - that they would see the prophecy begin to occur.
It does not say “they would see the prophecy begin to occur” you are added words.

The scripture says…
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The word represented by “fulfilled” is γίνομαι
it is a verb that simply means to happen.
γίνομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: ginomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ghin'-om-ahee)
Definition: to come into being, to happen, to become
Usage: I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.

You are changing the words of the Bible to fit your belief, instead of changing your belief to mirror the Bible.

Fulfillment is a final, it’s declaration of an act completed
“Beginning to occur” is a process that is still in movement…
You literally are changing words, and if you choose to do that, that’s on you…

Man… if you do what you are doing you can make the Bible say anything..

In Revelation 5:5, we read this about Jesus: “Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah has conquered.” Jesus is the Lion of Judah.

In Matthew 24 Jesus (Lion) is talking.. what is being said is this generation will not pass until the Detroit Lions win the Super Bowl.
 

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If Matthew 24 is referring to the people Jesus was speaking with at that time, why are we still here almost 2,000 years later?
Precious friend, that is a Great question - only answer that I have found
is in God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided - ie:

Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With
The Second Coming
, is found in God's Context:

God's Prophetic Program, Under the law and covenants,
gospel of the kingdom (“ages” past/future)
(Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)

This program has been, since "Israel fell," put On Hold
(temporarily 2000+ years?), by God, And:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” {online}:

We are now in God's Other Context of:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But Now!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9!)

The End of This (2000+?) "Dispensation Of Grace" period?:

Rightly Divided Scriptures found here: Great GRACE Departure!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” {online}:

Then God's Resumes His 'Prophetic' Program with the "rest of His Prophecies"
as yet unfulfilled, found in Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation.

Personal Conclusion: No more Confusion of the Many "prophetic experts" who
all disagree with each other.:

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of Peace,​
as in all churches of the saints. " (1 Corinthians 14:33)​

Amen.
 

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The scripture says…
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The word represented by “fulfilled” is γίνομαι
it is a verb that simply means to happen.
γίνομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: ginomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ghin'-om-ahee)
Definition: to come into being, to happen, to become
Usage: I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.
Exactly!

"to cause to be"
"to become" (come into being)

As I said before:
The timing-sense that is present in the grammar is 'beginning-and-continuing' - not 'beginning-to-end completed'.
However, if you "dig a little deeper" (perhaps [even] more than "a little"), you should find that the idea of 'commencement' (of the prophecy) is 'embedded' in the [Greek] wording of the passage - meaning that the prophecy (the "all things") would 'commence' to unfold - or, 'begin' to occur.
In the context of that verse of scripture, it is talking about the 'commencement' of prophecy - beginning to unfold - not the 'end' completion of it.

It is not talking about the "finishing" of prophecy - it is talking about the "beginning" of prophecy - the "beginning" of it "unfolding" - or, being brought about.

Fulfillment is a final, it’s declaration of an act completed
“Beginning to occur” is a process that is still in movement…
No - it is not "still" in movement - it is the "beginning" of movement. It is a moment in time that is the beginning of something in the sense of 'beginning-and-continuing'.

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If I am wrong - then, the preterists are correct and all of these things were fulfilled circa 70 A.D.:

1) the Trumpet events / Two Witnesses
2) the Second Coming of Christ
3) the Resurrection & Rapture / saints obtained their 'glorified' bodies
4) the Wrath of God was poured out upon the earth


(and much more)

Because, there can be no doubt whatsoever that history shows that the 'great tribulation' that Jesus referred to in Matthew 24:21 did in fact start circa 70 A.D.

So - you decide in your own mind - when did it end?

Personally, I have not seen sufficient evidence that proves that the list of things above have already occurred.
 

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If we talk about when you were born...
Usage: I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.
Are we talking about your entire life, including the 'end' - your death - and all in between? Or, are we only talking about the beginning of your life?

Did the 'fulfillment' of your birth happen at the beginning of your life or the end of it?

It is the same idea with the 'prophecy' being talked about.

You need to understand just exactly what is being fulfilled.

It is only the beginning of the 'prophecy' - the prophecy as a whole - not every little thing about every event that the prophecy "touches upon" - that is being referred to.

The "all these things" is being treated as a singular thing - which 'commences' (begins to come to pass) before the [then] generation passes.
 

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There is no 'finishing' in the definition - only 'beginning-and-continuing'.
 

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If Matthew 24 is referring to the people Jesus was speaking with at that time, why are we still here almost 2,000 years later?
Because the 'great tribulation' that Jesus referred to has started but not yet ended.

It started circa 70 A.D. and will end at some point in time in the future - as the Two Witnesses "arrive on the scene" to begin their prophecy/testimony.
 
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Because the 'great tribulation' that Jesus referred to has started but not yet ended.

It started circa 70 A.D. and will end at some point in time in the future - as the Two Witnesses "arrive on the scene" to begin their prophecy/testimony.
I’m sorry but this is crazy talk… you don’t even care the Bible declares the tribulation will be no longer than 7 years…

According to you we have been in the tribulation for 1,953 years and we are still in it.

I’m a Christian, sitting hear watching football, on a big screen, eating fish and salad, while reading your ideas on my IPhone.

dang… The tribulation is really rough! If this is the tribulation we’ll bring on the great tribulation.. I will be eating filet mignon, and watching football on my private jet..
 

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I’m sorry but this is crazy talk… you don’t even care the Bible declares the tribulation will be no longer than 7 years…

According to you we have been in the tribulation for 1,953 years and we are still in it.

I’m a Christian, sitting hear watching football, on a big screen, eating fish and salad, while reading your ideas on my IPhone.

dang… The tribulation is really rough! If this is the tribulation we’ll bring on the great tribulation.. I will be eating filet mignon, and watching football on my private jet..
Can we join? Our tribulation is to have a black and white TV.
 

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I’m sorry but this is crazy talk… you don’t even care the Bible declares the tribulation will be no longer than 7 years…

According to you we have been in the tribulation for 1,953 years and we are still in it.

I’m a Christian, sitting hear watching football, on a big screen, eating fish and salad, while reading your ideas on my IPhone.

dang… The tribulation is really rough! If this is the tribulation we’ll bring on the great tribulation.. I will be eating filet mignon, and watching football on my private jet..
And, that is the reason why you cannot fathom the true nature of the 'great tribulation' that Jesus referred to.

Are you aware of the people in other countries these days who are being beheaded for their faith in Christ?

What Jesus was talking about was not a tribulation 'period' wherein every single minute of it was "treacherous torture" for everyone on earth.

The Dark Ages, the world wars and other "conflicts" are part of it. So are many other "troublous" things in human history since the first century.

The 'end' of the 'great tribulation' that Jesus referred to is in the future - and, the worst is yet to come...

Jesus said that there would be 'great tribulation'. He did not describe what most people think of today that they have decided was what He meant.
 

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What matters in this discussion is - when did it start and when did it end?

I see clear evidence that it started circa 70 A.D. but no evidence that it has ended.
 
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Show me where in scripture it 'declares' such a thing.
And, that is the reason why you cannot fathom the true nature of the 'great tribulation' that Jesus referred to.

Are you aware of the people in other countries these days who are being beheaded for their faith in Christ?

What Jesus was talking about was not a tribulation 'period' wherein every single minute of it was "treacherous torture" for everyone on earth.

The Dark Ages, the world wars and other "conflicts" are part of it. So are many other "troublous" things in human history since the first century.

The 'end' of the 'great tribulation' that Jesus referred to is in the future - and, the worst is yet to come...

Jesus said that there would be 'great tribulation'. He did not describe what most people think of today that they have decided was what He meant.
People being killed in other countries for there faith does not mean the tribulation has started.

Stephen was taken out of the city and stoned to death for his faith…His final words, a prayer of forgiveness for his attackers (Acts of the Apostles 7:60),

So I guess the tribulation started in the book of Acts. What I can or cannot fathom regarding the word of God is delegated to some guy on a internet forum.
 
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Show me where in scripture it 'declares' such a thing.
Wait… You dare insinuate my knowledge is lacking, and then turn around and ask me to reference a 7 year tribulation… Ignorance is bliss, and within your question you show your ignorance.

Here is scripture and documentation to support my point…. Which in all truth exposes your ridiculous 2,000 year tribulation.

Jesus shortened the tribulation…
What did he shorten it too?
He shortened it 1,953 years and still counting..

Anyway… observe:

There are five (*1) specific periods of "time" and "days" mentioned in the Book of Daniel (7:25; 8:14; 12:7, 11, 12). In addition to these five, we have the great period of the "seventy sevens" (or weeks) of years in chapter 9. Sixty-nine of these were completed at the "cutting off" of the Messiah; the last of "seventieth seven" is yet to come (see Ap. 91). All the other five periods of time in the book are to be referred to, and are standardized, so to speak, by this last "seven". The "seventy weeks" (sevens) are confessedly to be reckoned as years. Therefore, on the basis of a Jewish year of 360 days, one "seven" is 360 x 7 = 2,520 days.

The terminus a quo of 1, 4, 5, 6 (see diagram) is manifestly determined by the term "in the midst of the week" (the last "seven" of years), of the standard (col. 3) : that is, 1,260 days, or 3 1/2 years from either end of the column. "The prince that shall come" (Antichrist) "will make a (*2) covenant with many for one week" (i.e. seven years) (9:27). After 3 1/2 years, on grounds not stated, he breaks this covenant (or "league", 11:23), the daily sacrifice is "taken away", the "abomination" set up, and "Jacob's trouble" (Jer. 30:7) commences and continues for the remainder of the "seven" : viz. : for the 1,260 days or 3 1/2 years. It is this "midst of the week" that determines both the a quo and the ad quem of these Numbered Days.

In 8:14 it is stated, "then shall the Sanctuary be cleansed" (*3). With regard to this "cleansing", all the periods, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (see diagram) synchronize at the end (see Ap. 89); while the last tow columns (5 and 6) are extended and prolonged beyond the close of the 1,260 days by two significant periods of days, viz. 30 days and 75 days, respectively.

The first of these, 1,290 days is 1,260 + 30. And the 30 days here may be taken as a "Ve-Adar" or intercalary month of 30 days of "cleansing" following directly after the destruction of the false Messiah, and the break up of his confederacy. These thirty days may possibly be the period allotted for the construction of the new and glorious "Sanctuary" of Ezekiel 40-43, which is to be erected after the destruction and removal of the Jewish temple which will have been built by the sons of Israel some time previously to its profanation by the Antichrist -- as the antitype of Antiochus Epiphanes.

With regard to the 1,335 days of 12:12 : This is 1,260 days with an excess of 75 days. This again being an excess of 45 days beyond the 1,290 of 12:11. 1,335 is, therefore, 1,260 + 30 + 45. If the 30 days are occupied with the "cleansing", i.e. with the "justifying" or "making righteous" a new and glorious "Sanctuary", then it may be that the further 45 days, over and above the 1,290, will cover the preparation time for the fulfillment of the forty-fifth psalm (such preparation including, the resurrection to life of those concerned in 12:2), in order that the nuptials of the king may be celebrated as described in such wonderful and minute detail in that psalm. (*4)

In connection with this period (1,335 days) we have the only Beatitude in the book! "Blessed (ashrey) is he that waiteth ( = is steadfast) and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days" (12:12). A blessed "lot" indeed for those who will have passed through "the Trouble" and are counted worthy to be participators in the scenes of glory and triumph of the King when He is united to restored Israel in that Day, as portrayed in the forty-fifth psalm!

In examining the diagram and the references in the book, it w fa4 ill be seen (1) that the only one of these five periods of "time" and "days" that presents any serious difficulty is that of the 2,300 days. (2) That its terminus ad quem is the same as the others, viz. the end of the seventieth seven is clear from 8:14, which gives it as being marked by the "cleansing of the Sanctuary". Reckoning backwards, therefore, the terminus a quo of this period is seen to be 220 days short of the commencement of the seventieth "seven".

It is not clearly revealed what event or events will mark the commencement of these 2,300 days, but it will be probably some political crisis connected with the confederated kingdoms under the sway of the Antichrist. The key is possibly to be found in chapter 8, typified by the contention between the ram and he-goat representing Medo-Persia and Greece. But, though the terminus a quo of this period is not given to us in plain language (like e.g. the "midst of the week" of 9:27), yet it will be known to, and understood by, the people of God, who pass through "the Trouble" time of the seventieth "seven", for "the wise (in that day) shall understand" (12:10).

If the "time of trouble" of Dan. 12:1 is a "time" like the "time" of 7:25; 12:7 (Nos. 1 and 4, above), i.e. one year, then there are six specific periods of time in the book of Daniel, in addition to the seventieth, or last "seven". If so, the "time" of Dan. 12:1 suggests that "Jacob's trouble" will be closed by a "time" (or year) of acutest "tribulation". Does this correspond with "the acceptable year" of Isa. 61:2, immediately preceding the "Vengeance"?
 
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Does that not dismiss, your 2000 year tribulation…. Still wondering where the Bible speaks of a 7 year tribulation…. Well let’s continue…

For the meaning of this passage, reference must be made to the notes, and especially to the Structures, which are always the best commentary and the surest guide to interpretation.

We may set out the three divisions of the whole period on the diagram (not exact to scale) :--

I. THE FIRST PERIOD is simple, being the "seven sevens", or 49 years.

II. THE SECOND PERIOD. The "threescore and two sevens", or 434 years, from 405 B.C. to A.D. 29 = the year of the "cutting off" of Messiah (see Ap. 50 pp, 60, 61). This was 483 years from the issuing of the decree in 454 B.C. (i.e. 49 + 434 = 483 years).
The "cutting off" of Messiah is stated as being "after" the "threescore and two weeks". The word "after", here, evidently means, and is intended to be understood as indicating, the completion of the period named; i.e. on the expiration of the sixty-two sevens will "Messiah be cut off". Beyond this exactness it is hardly necessary for us to go.

III. THE THIRD PERIOD. This is the one seven, i.e. the seventieth (or "last"), seven which has still to be accounted for.
That it must be yet future seems certain, from the agreement of its events with those of the visions of chapters 7-12 (Ap. 89), and the numbered "days" of chs. 8:14 and 12:7, 11, 12 (Ap. 90); also from the fact that none of the six definite events (of 9:24), which mark its end has as yet taken place (*1). These belong to the whole seventy sevens, and are thus connected with the seventieth or last seven, being the object and end of the whole prophecy. The following three, among other reasons, may be added :--

1. If the seventieth, or "one seven", is to be reckoned from the cutting off of Messiah in direct, continuous, and historic sequence, then it leads us nowhere -- certainly not to any of the six events of v. 24, which are all categorically stated to relate to Daniel's People, "all Israel" (v. 7), and to the holy City "Jerusalem".

No interpretation which transfers these six events to Gentiles or to Gentile times, is admissible. If they are continuous, then there is no point or crisis in the Acts of the Apostles which marks their end. If they coincided with any events of importance, such as the end of Peter's ministry or the beginning of that of Paul, or Acts 12 and 13, that would be something. But there is nothing.

2. Messiah was to "have nothing" that was His, "after" His cutting off. This clearly points to the crucifixion of Messiah, and the rejection of His Messianic kingdom. For nearly 2,000 years Messiah has "had nothing" of all the many "glorious things" which have been spoken of Him, in connection with Himself or with His People Israel.

3. This last, or "one seven" of years, is divided into two distinct equal parts (see Ap. 90), and the division takes place in connection with an event which has no connection whatever with any event which has yet taken place. Messiah did not "make a (not the) covenant" of any kind, either with Israel or with any one else, at the end of, or "after" the sixty-ninth week; nor did He "break" any covenant three and a half years later. Man may "make" and "break" covenants, but Divine Covenants are never broken.

On the other hand : of "the prince that shall come" it is distinctly stated that he shall do both these very things (vv. 26, 27); and, in Ap. 89 and 90 both are connected with "the time of the end". Hence, we are forced to the conclusion that this last seven of years still awaits its fulfilment; and this fulfilment must be as literal and complete as that of all the other parts of this vision and prophecy; for the end must be the glorious consummation for Israel of v. 24, the complete destruction of "the coming prince" (the false Messiah or Antichrist), and the setting up of the Messiah's kingdom.

Nothing less will satisfy all the requirements of Daniel's vision of "the seventy weeks". The Hebrew word rendered "week" is shabua', and means, simply, a "septad", a "hebdomad", or a seven, hence a week, because it is a seven (of days). But in this passage it is confessedly used of a seven of years; and this of necessity, for no other seven of any other portion of time will satisfy the prophecy and fall within its terminus a quo, and the terminus ad quem.

Seventy of these sevens of years (or 490 years) are the one subject of this prophecy. We are told exactly when they would commence, and how they were to end. They sum up, within their bounds, all the then counsels of God as to His future dealings with His People Israel; for they are "determined" (the angel said to Daniel) "upon thy People, and upon they Holy City" (v. 24). These words cannot have any other interpretation than "all Israel" (v. 7), and Jerusalem, and the Holy Sanctuary; for that had been the subject of Daniel's prayer, to which this prophecy was sent as the specific answer. (See vv. 2, 7, 16, 17, 18, 19, and especially v. 24.)

These "seventy sevens [of years]" are divided into three distinct and separate periods :--

  1. The seven sevens, or 49 years.
  2. The sixty-two sevens, or 434 years.
  3. The one seven, or 7 years.

    (I. and II. = 483 years.)
    (I., II., and III. = 490 years)
The terminus a quo of the whole period is the issuing of a decree "to restore and to build (or rather, rebuild) Jerusalem."

The terminus ad quem of the whole period is the cleansing of the Sanctuary. This is also the end of all the visions of Daniel in chaps. 7-12 (Ap. 89); and all the numbered "days" of 7:25; 8:14; and 12:7, 11, 12, have this cleansing as their object and end.

As to the whole period, Daniel is bidden by the angelic Hierophant to "understand ... and consider" (v. 23); while, as to its three separate divisions, Daniel is to "know therefore and understand" (v. 25). See the Structures of these passages, pp. 1196, 1198, 1199.

THE FIRST PERIOD. The seven sevens (or 49 years). These commence with "the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem". This was in the first month, Nisan, 454 B.C. (see Ap. 50, pp. 60, 67, and 70). Hanani's report to Nehemiah was made in the ninth month Chisleu, in 455 B.C., three months before; both months being in the "twentieth year of Artaxerxes". See notes on Neh. 1:1 and 2:1; also on pp. 615-18; and Ap. 57. The ARTAXERXES (or Great King) of Neh. 1:1; 2:1, who issues this decree, is identified with the great king ASTYAGES. (See Ap. 57.) ASTYGES was brother-in-law to Nebuchadnezzar. The madness of the latter had at this time lasted for seven years. ASTYGES had evidently in imperial matters been acting for his brother-in-law. This seems to be clear from the fact that the decree was issued in Shushan, and not Babylon; and no one, however great a potentate he might be, would have dared to issue such a decree, connected with the affairs of the suzerainty of Babylon, unless he possessed the authority to do so.

Therefore it may be put thus : In Nisan, 454 B.C., ASTYAGES (i.e. Artaxerxes = the Great King) issued the decree spoken of in Dan. 9:25. Later, in the same year, Nebuchadnezzar's "madness" was lifted off him. "At the end of the days" his understanding and reason returned to him, it seems, as suddenly as they had left him; and he thereupon issued his imperial proclamation throughout his dominions, as recorded in Dan. 4:34-37. See the note there on v. 34.

The seven sevens therefore, meaning seven sevens of literal years, occupied 49 years (454 B.C. to 405 B.C. = 49 years). They began in 454 B.C. with the decree, and end with the completion of the walls and the dedication of the Temple in 405 B.C. See Ezra 6:10, 15-19. It must be remembered that the issuing of this decree took place long before Ezra appeared on the scene; and before any of the subsequent decrees of other monarchs, which all had to do with the Temple; whereas the first, issued to Nehemiah (2:1), had to do only with the "City" and its "walls". See the notes on Ezra-Nehemiah, and Appendix 58. (*3)

THE SECOND PERIOD. The sixty-two sevens (or 434 years). These follow on directly from the end of the seven sevens of the First Period, and close with the cutting off of the Messiah.

THE THIRD PERIOD. The last, or the seventieth seven. This period is yet future, and awaits the same literal fulfilment as the other two periods.



 

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Are you aware of the people in other countries these days who are being beheaded for their faith in Christ?
People being killed in other countries for there faith does not mean the tribulation has started.

Stephen was taken out of the city and stoned to death for his faith…His final words, a prayer of forgiveness for his attackers (Acts of the Apostles 7:60),

So I guess the tribulation started in the book of Acts. What I can or cannot fathom regarding the word of God is delegated to some guy on a internet forum.
I said what I said as a reply to your football scenario. If you are going to have a flippant attitude, then we need not have any further discussion.
 

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the Bible declares the tribulation will be no longer than 7 years…
Show me where in scripture it 'declares' such a thing.
Wait… You dare insinuate my knowledge is lacking, and then turn around and ask me to reference a 7 year tribulation… Ignorance is bliss, and within your question you show your ignorance.

Here is scripture and documentation to support my point….
Forget about your 'point' - you stated that the Bible declares the tribulation will be no longer than 7 years - I asked for you to show me that very thing - where the Bible declares the tribulation will be no longer than 7 years.

Dumping a bunch of stuff you copied from somewhere into a post does not properly address it - instead - show me the actual verses of scripture that you say declare that the tribulation will be no longer than 7 years.

Get right to the point - show the verses of scripture first.

Then discuss why you believe it means what you said it means.

And, if you cannot do that - why did you make that statement???
 

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The 70 weeks of Daniel are 100% past history - ended in 34 A.D. - there was no gap between the 69th week and the 70th week.
 
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Forget about your 'point' - you stated that the Bible declares the tribulation will be no longer than 7 years - I asked for you to show me that very thing - where the Bible declares the tribulation will be no longer than 7 years.

Dumping a bunch of stuff you copied from somewhere into a post does not properly address it - instead - show me the actual verses of scripture that you say declare that the tribulation will be no longer than 7 years.

Get right to the point - show the verses of scripture first.

Then discuss why you believe it means what you said it means.

And, if you cannot do that - why did you make that statement???
Bet…
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

A week in Biblical numbers equals a year. Do you agree or do you need proof?
 
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The 70 weeks of Daniel are 100% past history - ended in 34 A.D. - there was no gap between the 69th week and the 70th week.
Are you listening to yourself…. The 70 weeks are over???????

Read again…
Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy People and upon thy holy city, to finesh the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

If the 70 weeks are over, there should be no more transgression.
If the 70 weeks are over, would should have everlasting righteousness.
 
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I said what I said as a reply to your football scenario. If you are going to have a flippant attitude, then we need not have any further discussion.
Bro… I’m joking around… these discussions have no bearing on our salvation… I know you love the Lord…. We are connected by our believe in Christ, our differing of opinions regarding the tribulation wont change that.