Why all the bickering?

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Groundhog

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Let's not allow our compassion to outweigh our legalism.
 
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Harley_Angel

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Lol, yeah I guess the pentecostals (which I have had very limited exposure to) makes it into the "and all the others" category. Doesn't make it any less special!

It's kind of hard to let my husband be the head of the house seeing as he's gone most of the time (military). I'm definately going to have to agree to disagree with you on the role of husbands and wives. I think setting the husband up as the head of the family like Christ is to the church means husbands are meant to teach, and lead, and guide, and be head of the spiritual development of his family. My husband hadn't set foot in a church since he was a kid until I came around, and I'm definately the more deeply religious of us. I was lucky in that my husband and I talk through everything, he never makes me "submit" to him like some tyrant, and we agree to comprimise. I depend on him for certain things and he depends on me for certain things. I don't think he and I being equal in the relationship goes against scripture. But thank you very much for your advice. I'll definately do some more reasearch on marriage related scripture.
 
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broken

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Looks like it plagued the early NT church too.

titus 3:9-11

I don't argue with people anymore. I state my case. If the expert of the law wants to continue to argue with me, I let him/her talk to himself. Its more entertaining to watch him/her try to be the holy spirit to him/herself.
 
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Hethr

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There seems to be an assumption that since I'm new I don't understand how things work here. I've been communicating with people for 30+ years, it doesn't matter where those communications take place.

There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion, defending what you believe in and trying to share what you know. I can handle that just fine. If someone has to use rude behaviors such as insults to get their point across then they don't really know how to communicate and it shouldn't be encouraged here.
That's all I'm saying.

If people want a forum where they can rip each other apart and if you don't like it leave.. then so be it.
 
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Laiahna

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1St Thes 5:11 - 14
 
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Laiahna

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Also Eph 5:5 - 11
 
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Looks like it plagued the early NT church too.

titus 3:9-11

I don't argue with people anymore. I state my case. If the expert of the law wants to continue to argue with me, I let him/her talk to himself. Its more entertaining to watch him/her try to be the holy spirit to him/herself.
AHA!! glad im not the only one!! thanks broken :)
 
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nanabean

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AHA!! glad im not the only one!! thanks broken :)
Looks like it plagued the early NT church too.

titus 3:9-11

I don't argue with people anymore. I state my case. If the expert of the law wants to continue to argue with me, I let him/her talk to himself. Its more entertaining to watch him/her try to be the holy spirit to him/herself.

EXACTLY what I did on a different thread......and now I see my nick mentioned in THIS thread......when I haven't even POSTED on this thread......amazing. (The only reason(s) I LOOKED at this thread was because 1. It was started by Musicalme and 2. I saw Carpetmanswife had posted on it.)
 
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Lauren

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I just had to post on this thread so that me and nanabean's papillons could be together....LOLOL

*waving at nanabean*
 
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Lauren

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Everyone is at a different point in their walk with Jesus, and I think that we should be sensitive to that. Yes, it's going to get a lot harder in the world for us because of persecution, and that's all the more reason we need to be civilized to each other here.

When I first came to this forum several weeks ago, I had been away from my walk with Jesus for quite a while. While people's words would never deter me from believing in Jesus, they certainly could have discouraged me from fellowship with other believers (which I need at this point).

Discussion and debate can get quite heated without them getting too personal. When I see people questioning another's salvation or being prideful and sarcastic, it makes me sick to my stomach for the body of Christ. And I am way less likely to receive some teaching from someone who is being a smart alec -- I mean, if a person can't reign in their tongue on a written forum where one can sit and pray before they write, why would I think they have something to teach me?

A one-time angry slip is one thing, but with some people, it seems to be a pattern.....and it's just not necessary.
 

BLC

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EXACTLY what I did on a different thread......and now I see my nick mentioned in THIS thread......when I haven't even POSTED on this thread......amazing. (The only reason(s) I LOOKED at this thread was because 1. It was started by Musicalme and 2. I saw Carpetmanswife had posted on it.)
Is this what you are referring to?

'Carpetmanswife, aren't you one of those who said sarcastically that you like to come to BDF to be entertained by all this? I think that you don't like to come to BDF because you may post something that someone may oppose or disagree with and you, just like nanabean, don't know how to handle it in grace. You get upset, accuse people of attacking you or misunderstanding you and you storm off. Then you come back later and start a thread just like MusicMe has'.

Isn't it amazing that people even think of you and post your 'nick' when you haven't even posted. Maybe they pray for you behind the scene in their prayer closet. Maybe they hope they you won't be so touchy and sensative when people don't agree with you and don't like it when you become critical of how others post. Cheer up nanabean, Christ is coming back for His own and He has His reward with Him. So rejoice and keep looking for the mercy of the Lord.
 
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Abing

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Proverbs 10: 19 When words are many, sin is not absent,
but he who holds his tongue is wise.

I reckon since the forums has mostly 'words' and 'talking', and is used by most folks who are just passing time, it's the perfect breeding ground for bickering and the sin of anger. Maybe if folks find themselves on here getting to the point they're bickering and fighting, it's a sign they aren't engaging in something productive and are instead engaged in 'idle activity'. So instead of continuing in the idle activity of the forums, they should go find something productive to do.....

James 4: 1What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you? 2You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God. 3When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.

Galatians 5: 14The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."[a] 15If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

And a BIG yikes verse here...

James 4: 11Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?
Amen, . ... :-D
 
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Abing

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qouting stilly's post means..

guys we may need to read it again ? :-D its like the door is right in front of us and we keep on looking for a fire exit.
 

seoulsearch

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I really enjoy some of the threads in the Bible discussion forum but rarely post here because I have to admit fearing some of the biting criticism I've read in so many threads.

I am not, by any means, a stranger to the Bible--I was raised in church, grew up in Lutheran schools K-12th grades... then attended a Pentecostal church for about 11 years, taking every class they had to offer, and serving on several prayer teams, etc. I am currently in the process of finding my place of service and function within another Pentecostal church (I left my old church on good terms with my pastors--the reason I came to a new church is because it has more people within my age range and my pastors were supportive of my decision--I left with their blessing and encouragement.)

I have read the Bible six times during my own time (in addition to the classes and groups I was involved in) and choose to read a different translation (The Message, The Amplified Bible, etc.) each time in order to gain understanding of possible differences in the way things are worded, etc. And I am NOT in any way stating this to somehow make myself look good--I only state it to give you an idea of my Biblical background because, I must confess, that even though I try my best to faithfully study God's Word, I do not think I have a gift for Biblical debate. And I feel like I would need to be a die-hard Biblical scholar in training to be able to post here and sound at least somewhat intelligent...

There are many questions I want to ask here at times, but never do because I'm very afraid they will be seen as frivolous or not "true Bible study." So for now, I try to sit back and just read and absorb others' thoughts and experiences concerning certain threads...

As for subjects like Harry Potter--I personally find questions like this interesting because, for example, although I do not have children, if I do someday (or am around children more often than I am right now), I would like to be able to speak to them about things they find relevant in their own surroundings (because even if they aren't watching Harry Potter, their friends probably are and maybe they want to talk about it) from a Christian perspective. I talk to God about absolutely everything (pop culture, music, hairstyles, fashion, everyday living...) and hope He doesn't find my conversation frivolous... or perhaps boring ;). (If so, I hope He lets me know very soon so that I can change the topic! :))

I hope I haven't offended anyone but these are just my own thoughts. God bless.
 

daddycat

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I don't spend a whole lot of time in the Bible Discussion Forum and there's a very good reason:

It just gets plain nasty and I'm sick of it. We don't all have to agree, we don't have all to have the exact same opinions, we don't even have to like each other all the time, but we DO have to share this planet (unless you want to start up some more cruisades and wipe out anyone who refuses to believe what you believe, and I wouldn't recommend that approach). I like debating issues, I like discussing topics, but there's a big difference between discussion and argument.

If someone states a belief you don't agree with, state your viewpoint. Just because someone sees things a different way, doesn't make them a terrible person.

In case you haven't noticed lately, the world isn't really listening to us (Christians). But can you blame them? We won't even listen to each other! With the way Christians treat each other and especially with the way they treat non-Christians, why would anyone believe that we follow a Lord of love and forgiveness?

I'm not saying you have to condone sin - but in case we've all forgotten, Jesus spent His time in the houses of sinners. Liars, cheaters, prostitutes, just to name a few. If He did it, why aren't we? We're the first to condemn, the first to cast stones.

This is a call for all of us (including me) to try listening to the other side, and practicing a little mercy and grace.

Matthew 22:34-40 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
I love what you've said here, and I wholeheartedly agree. Not that I can live up to it myself.
 

daddycat

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There are many questions I want to ask here at times, but never do because I'm very afraid they will be seen as frivolous or not "true Bible study." So for now, I try to sit back and just read and absorb others' thoughts and experiences concerning certain threads...

I talk to God about absolutely everything (pop culture, music, hairstyles, fashion, everyday living...) and hope He doesn't find my conversation frivolous... or perhaps boring ;). (If so, I hope He lets me know very soon so that I can change the topic! :))
My mind is full of frivolous details and 'small' ideas all the time. I can't seem to get past that. Comes with the territory with ADD. So I hope God isn't getting ready to shake me off into the fire for it. If He is, like you said, I hope He lets me know. And, if you care to, you can talk to me about your topics. Door is open.
 

daddycat

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Everyone is at a different point in their walk with Jesus, and I think that we should be sensitive to that. Yes, it's going to get a lot harder in the world for us because of persecution, and that's all the more reason we need to be civilized to each other here.

When I first came to this forum several weeks ago, I had been away from my walk with Jesus for quite a while. While people's words would never deter me from believing in Jesus, they certainly could have discouraged me from fellowship with other believers (which I need at this point).

Discussion and debate can get quite heated without them getting too personal. When I see people questioning another's salvation or being prideful and sarcastic, it makes me sick to my stomach for the body of Christ. And I am way less likely to receive some teaching from someone who is being a smart alec -- I mean, if a person can't reign in their tongue on a written forum where one can sit and pray before they write, why would I think they have something to teach me?

A one-time angry slip is one thing, but with some people, it seems to be a pattern.....and it's just not necessary.
Amen, Lauren. Well put.
 

daddycat

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WOOT! I'm a senior member! Yay me!
Now... that was just plain frivolous :p
 

seoulsearch

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WOOT! I'm a senior member! Yay me!
Now... that was just plain frivolous :p

*laughs* Thanks for breaking up the ice a bit, Daddycat. And thanks for the offer to talk to some of us who may be afraid to ask questions otherwise. :)

I'm not sure how everyone else feels about this, but I do believe everyone is gifted in their own way... all for the glory of God. I may not be very good at Biblical debate, but I do believe God uses humor as a doorway into people's hearts. I have had many times where I will talk to a co-worker and notice they're really feeling down... then something happens at work and I try to put a humorous spin on the situation... and after they've known me a while, they're very open to the idea when I ask them about coming to church with me.

So, even though I can't debate as well as some here, or may not be as educated on church history, etc.--I know I can draw on others' knowledge and experiences that I read about here when talking to people and inviting them to get to know God... and that's why I hope our Biblical discussion forum will only continue to get better and better!!

You never know what your post, even the smallest or most frivolous, might do for someone--it may totally edify their faith or outlook or at the very least, make them smile (and God, too.)

Thanks, Daddycat!
 

BLC

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qouting stilly's post means..

guys we may need to read it again ? :-D its like the door is right in front of us and we keep on looking for a fire exit.
Keep looking up, that is our exit, because your redemption draweth nigh (Lk 21:28). You, me, nanabean and every believer should be looking up for the mercy of God and the return of Christ. We will be going up when Christ comes back for His church and His reward is with Him. We don't have time to be occupied with personality clashes, we are to redeem the time for the days are evil. We know these truths and we need to practice these truths by faith in our walk with God.

1Pt 5:8-11 'Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever'. Amen.
 
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