Why are there so many Churches?

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JaumeJ

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As long as there are scholars who separate the teachings of our Lord from the faith of Abraham, there will be new theologies under that umbrella called Christianity.

Abraham is the father of not one nation, but many nations. Does anyone understand the implications here? If you do, please, by all means implicate.



Rom 4:10
How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

Rom 4:11
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:


Rom 4:12
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
 

phil36

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This thread really is interesting... if you go back through and read...you will certainly understand why there are so many denominations.

Oh and the laughable thing is when reading these posts is that its everyone else fault! and the ole chestnut...its the scholars fault!

And lastly, can you tell me what a non denominational church teaches or believes that is so unique and God inspire that other churches don't have?

Infact what is non - denominational...is that organistion without any beliefs?
 

JaumeJ

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Perhaps you do not believe the last times for this phase of the creation are near. If not, you will ignore what is posted.

Yahweh is calling His children out of her so they do not share in her punishment. It is reasonable that He is calling His children out of her daughters also in that they all have played the whore.

Also it is written those of understanding will be scattered and with little power. Most denominations exercise power over many while also influencing governing bodies.

Regarding scholars and damage to the masses, go down the list of scholarly reformists and the millions who have died either directly or indirectly because of their off-the-the-faith-of-Abraham teachings.

Killing is not a virtue for any who believe.



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This thread really is interesting... if you go back through and read...you will certainly understand why there are so many denominations.

Oh and the laughable thing is when reading these posts is that its everyone else fault! and the ole chestnut...its the scholars fault!

And lastly, can you tell me what a non denominational church teache
s or believes that is so unique and God inspire that other churches don't have?
 

phil36

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None of that actually made any scriptural sense and it was more a opinion than fact. I'm not aying all churches are good and Im not saying all scholars are good... but it does beg the question of personal responsibility... it is everyone else's fault but your own.
And you still haven't answered the question what does a non denominational church teach that maybe a denominational one doesn't? oh and don't forget there are many bad so called non denominational churches...

Don't you think that those teaching in a non denominational church will have heir own theology that they 'will' teach.

There is no perfect church, just ones filled with broken, infallible people...saved by grace.

And one last point..the wheat and the tares etc




Perhaps you do not believe the last times for this phase of the creation are near. If not, you will ignore what is posted.

Yahweh is calling His children out of her so they do not share in her punishment. It is reasonable that He is calling His children out of her daughters also in that they all have played the whore.

Also it is written those of understanding will be scattered and with little power. Most denominations exercise power over many while also influencing governing bodies.

Regarding scholars and damage to the masses, go down the list of scholarly reformists and the millions who have died either directly or indirectly because of their off-the-the-faith-of-Abraham teachings.

Killing is not a virtue for any who believe.
This thread really is interesting... if you go back through and read...you will certainly understand why there are so many denominations.

Oh and the laughable thing is when reading these posts is that its everyone else fault! and the ole chestnut...its the scholars fault!

And lastly, can you tell me what a non denominational church teache
s or believes that is so unique and God inspire that other churches don't have?
 

JaumeJ

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Perhaps you do not believe the last times for this phase of the creation are near. If not, you will ignore what is posted.

Be urgent, in season and out. Holy Scripture
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Yahweh is calling His children out of her so they do not share in her punishment. It is reasonable that He is calling His children out of her daughters also in that they all have played the whore.

This reference is from the Book, Revelation

Also it is written those of understanding will be scattered and with little power. Most denominations exercise power over many while also influencing governing bodies.

This is taken from the Book of Daniel.


Regarding scholars and damage to the masses, go down the list of scholarly reformists and the millions who have died either directly or indirectly because of their off-the-the-faith-of-Abraham teachings.

The faith of Abraham, though mentioned in the Old Testament, is mentioned repeatedly in the New Testament. Holy Scripture

Killing is not a virtue for any who believe.

Thou shalt not kill. Holy Scripture.

I seems you have not read much of the Word by your own admission in your saying allI have posted is opinion. I have received the same commentary from self-appointed scholars in the forum, but it always works out the same.



None of that actually made any scriptural sense and it was more a opinion than fact. I'm not aying all churches are good and Im not saying all scholars are good... but it does beg the question of personal responsibility... it is everyone else's fault but your own.
And you still haven't answered the question what does a non denominational church teach that maybe a denominational one doesn't? oh and don't forget there are many bad so called non denominational churches...

Don't you think that those teaching in a non denominational church will have heir own theology that they 'will' teach.

There is no perfect church, just ones filled with broken, infallible people...saved by grace.

And one last point..the wheat and the tares etc
 
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[h=2]Why are there so many Churches?[/h]
There are so many churches because people like to spend money to build churches .
 
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Now I know were divisions started. See how one single post of a video, with no writing can cause a division in itself? Well Done original Postee. One thing the guy said was right in the video. Something went wrong, were? well you don't have to look far, considering the comments made in return.
 
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There are so many churches, because there are so many different people. Some like this preacher and others don't. There are so many churches because of the lack of understanding in the work of the cross. Many and most attempt sorrowfully to keep law. Which is impossible for man to do. So they fail, and doctrines are born to justify their faults. WE started with one church and now has split to hundreds of different ones. Look at the Baptist, It was Baptist. Now it's freewill, Southern, Missionary, Full Gospel, and hundreds more that I don't know the names of. Use to when a sign said Baptist you new what was inside, now we have no clue. There are many different Methodist. Now pentecostals have separated into numerous groups. Why ,lack of unity. My Lord we could evangelise the world if we were all together. But look at the power that puts in a few mans hands. I think God knows what he is doing.
 

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[video=youtube;blYqM4HaWdw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blYqM4HaWdw[/video]
I think the big reason why there are so many different denominations out there is because a lot of Christians do not rightly divide the word of truth. And since they are not dispensational and don't rightly divide the word of truth, they get messed up doctrinally. You see when your not dispensational you can make the Bible say anything.

2 Timothy 2:15 is not a suggestion. It is a command. And when a Christian does not rightly divide the word of truth, then they have reason be ahsamed.
 

zone

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I think the big reason why there are so many different denominations out there is because a lot of Christians do not rightly divide the word of truth. And since they are not dispensational and don't rightly divide the word of truth, they get messed up doctrinally.
ARG!;)

Dispensationalism
Dispensationalism is a theological system that teaches biblical history is best understood in light of a number of successive administrations of God's dealings with mankind, which it calls "dispensations." It maintains fundamental distinctions between God's plans for national Israel and for the New Testament Church, and emphasizes prophecy of the end-times and a pre-tribulation rapture of the church prior to Christ's Second Coming. Its beginnings are usually associated with the Plymouth Brethren movement in the UK and the teachings of John Nelson Darby.

History
The Plymouth Brethren movement, basically a reaction against the established church in England and its ecclesiology, became known for its anti-denominational, anti-clerical, and anti-credal stance. While theologically orthodox, the Plymouth Brethren (Darby in particular) developed unique ideas regarding the interpretation of Scripture while emphasizing prophecy and the second coming of Christ. The theology of this movement became known as "Dispensationalism."

This new teaching spread in America through prophecy conferences such as the Niagara Bible Conferences (1883-1897). James H. Brookes (1830-1898), a pastor in St. Louis and prominent figure in the Niagara Conferences, disseminated dispensationalist ideas through his ministry and publications. Most importantly, Dwight L. Moody was sympathetic to the broad outlines of dispensationalism and had as his closest lieutenants dispensationalist leaders such as Reuben A. Torrey (1856-1928), James M. Gray (1851-1925), Cyrus I. Scofield (1843-1921), William J. Eerdman (1833-1923), A. C. Dixon (1854-1925), and A. J. Gordon (1836-1895). These men were activist evangelists who promoted a host of Bible conferences and other missionary and evangelistic efforts. They also gave the dispensationalist movement institutional permanence by assuming leadership of the new independent Bible institutes such as the Moody Bible Institute (1886), the Bible Institute of Los Angeles (1907), and the Philadelphia College of the Bible (1914). The network of related institutes that soon sprang up became the nucleus for the spread of American dispensationalism.

Theology
The dispensations

the dispensation of innocence (or freedom), (Gen. 2:8-17,25), prior to Adam's fall,
of conscience, (Gen. 3:10-18; Rom. 2:11-15), Adam to Noah,
of government, (Gen. 9:6; Rom. 13:1), Noah to Abraham,
of patriarchal rule (or promise), (Gen. 12:1-3; 22:17-18; Gal. 3:15-19), Abraham to Moses,
of the Mosaic Law, (Ex. 20:1-26; Gal. 3:19), Moses to Christ,
of grace, (Rom. 5:20-21; Eph. 3:1-9), the current church age, and
of a literal earthly 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom that has yet to come but soon will, (Is. 9:6-7; 11:1-9; Rev. 20:1-6).

Each one of these dispensations is said to represent a different way in which God deals with man, specifically a different testing for man. "These periods are marked off in Scripture by some change in God's method of dealing with mankind, in respect to two questions: of sin, and of man's responsibility," explained C. I. Scofield. "Each of the dispensations may be regarded as a new test of the natural man, and each ends in judgment - marking his utter failure in every dispensation."

The idea of different "dispensations" may be found in the writings of some of the early church fathers, and viewing the flow of biblical history as a series of "dispensations" may be seen in some works that pre-date Darby's dispensationalism, such as L'OEconomie Divine by Pierre Poiret (1646-1719). But these earlier works did not include the unique testing/failure motif described by Scofield or any hint of the underlying tenets of Darby's dispensationalism.

Beliefs about the Church and Israel
In addition to these dispensations, the real theological significance can be seen in four basic tenets which underlie classic dispensational teaching. Dispensationalism maintains:

a fundamental distinction between Israel and the church, i.e. there are two peoples of God with two different destinies, earthly Israel and the spiritual church,

a fundamental distinction between the Law and Grace, i.e. they are mutually exclusive ideas,

the view that the New Testament church is a parenthesis in God's plan which was not foreseen by the Old Testament,

and

a distinction between the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, i.e. the rapture of the church at Christ's coming "in the air" (1 Thess. 4:17) precedes the "official" second coming (to the earth) by 7 years of tribulation.

These tenets are supposedly derived from the dispensationalists' insistence on "consistent literalism" in their hermeneutic, especially in the literal interpretation of OT prophecies regarding Israel.^[4]^ Crucial to the dispensationalist reading of biblical prophecy, drawn principally from Daniel and Revelation, but also, to some degree, from Ezekiel, is the assertion that the Jewish Temple will be rebuilt on the Temple Mount as a precursor to the Lord returning to restore the earthly Kingdom of Israel centered on Jerusalem. The dispensational movement was therefore fueled by the re-establishment of the state of Israel in 1948. It has grown in popularity particularly since 1967, coinciding with the Arab-Israeli Six Day War, and a few years later in 1970 with the publication of Hal Lindsey's blockbuster book The Late Great Planet Earth.

Dispensationalism teaches that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be a physical event, by which a world-wide kingdom will be established in human history, geographically centered in Jerusalem. Dispensationalists teach that the Second Coming will be a two step process. In the first step, Christ returns to resurrect the blessed dead and rapture the living believers from the Earth. After this, a seven year period of tribulation occurs, climaxing in the Battle of Armageddon. In the second step, Christ intervenes at the Battle of Armageddon and establishes a literal 1000-year millennial kingdom on earth. As such, some Dispensationalists are often associated with the circulation of end times prophecy, which professes to read omens of the Second Coming in current events; however, other Dispensationalists have criticized this apocalypticism popularized by authors such as Hal Lindsey.

Premillennialism and dispensationalism
By way of clarification, it should be noted that while all dispensationalists are by definition premillennial in their eschatology, not all premillennialists are dispensational in their theology. Historic Premillennialism (e.g. in George Eldon Ladd) rejects pre-tribulationalism, dispensationalism's radical tenets, and its uniquely Jewish view of the 1000 year millennium. Historic premillennialism may be traced back to some of the early church fathers where it was sometimes termed "chiliasm."

Dispensational theology in Christianity at large
Prior to dispensationalism, Covenant theology was the prominent Protestant view regarding redemptive history and is still the view of the Reformed churches. A relatively recent view, which is seen as a third alternative, especially among Calvinistic Baptists, is called New Covenant Theology. Outside of Protestantism, however, other Christian branches (e.g., Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, or Roman Catholicism) have not embraced any form of dispensationalism.

Progressive dispensationalism
"Progressive Dispensationalism" by Blaising and Bock (Baker Books, 1993) introduced a movement showing that progressives within the dispensationalist camp have resolved many of the issues upon which classic Dispensational theology has been attacked -- especially by Reformed theology. However, some have questioned whether these progressives, having abandoned certain crucial tenets, can fairly continue to call themselves dispensationalists at all.

Acts 28 and Mid-Acts dispensationalism
Other varieties of dispensationalism include the "Acts-28 Dispensationalism" of E. W. Bullinger (1837-1913) and the Acts-13, or Mid-Acts, Dispensationalists, represented by J. C. O'Hair, C. R. Stam (Things That Differ), and Charles F. Baker (A Dispensational Theology). The latter group also refers to itself as "The Grace Movement." These varieties are discussed in the main article on Hyper-dispensationalism.

http://www.theopedia.com/Dispensationalism < click



Prior to dispensationalism, Covenant theology was the prominent Protestant view regarding redemptive history and is still the view of the Reformed churches.


pri·or* [prahy-er]
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why would anyone ever think.....oh never mind:confused:
oughta be h'obvious.

a fundamental distinction between Israel and the church, i.e. there are two peoples of God with two different destinies, earthly Israel and the spiritual church,
 
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Well, nothing new under the sun. . . .:rolleyes:

I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. . . . .My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ." Is Christ divided?

In other words, for our day and time: I follow the Baptists, I follow the Pentecostals, I follow the Methodist. . . .etc., etc., etc.
 

zone

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Well, nothing new under the sun. . . .:rolleyes:

I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. . . . .My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ." Is Christ divided?

In other words, for our day and time: I follow the Baptists, I follow the Pentecostals, I follow the Methodist. . . .etc., etc., etc.
hi peaceful:
would you say this is your belief system?:)

Acts 28 and Mid-Acts dispensationalism
Other varieties of dispensationalism include the "Acts-28 Dispensationalism" of E. W. Bullinger (1837-1913) and the Acts-13, or Mid-Acts, Dispensationalists, represented by J. C. O'Hair, C. R. Stam (Things That Differ), and Charles F. Baker (A Dispensational Theology). The latter group also refers to itself as "The Grace Movement." These varieties are discussed in the main article on Hyper-dispensationalism.

http://www.theopedia.com/Dispensationalism < click
 
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The past few days i've been thinking about, what denomination, i'd be considered. i don't go to a certain church. The last church i went to was Lutheran, my family has been baptized Lutheran. So we must be Lutheran? not really, i don't feel i'd be accepted for who i am. Lutheran, baptized, Jw since i don't care for holidays, pentecostle, believing in the gifts of the Spirit, sda, 7 day sabbath, and vegetarian, could probably go on, but i think you get the point. in my relationship with Jesus is a mixed bag, of denominations kinda like the races in america,

[h=3]1 Thessalonians 5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Rejoice evermore.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Pray without ceasing.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Quench not the Spirit.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Despise not prophesyings.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Brethren, pray for us.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
 
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hi peaceful:
would you say this is your belief system?:)

Acts 28 and Mid-Acts dispensationalism
Other varieties of dispensationalism include the "Acts-28 Dispensationalism" of E. W. Bullinger (1837-1913) and the Acts-13, or Mid-Acts, Dispensationalists, represented by J. C. O'Hair, C. R. Stam (Things That Differ), and Charles F. Baker (A Dispensational Theology). The latter group also refers to itself as "The Grace Movement." These varieties are discussed in the main article on Hyper-dispensationalism.

http://www.theopedia.com/Dispensationalism < click
Hi Zone :)

Let me see if I can explain. . .I do not think that I am what they call a Hyper-dispensationalist. . .lol. . .I am not sure. I do believe that there are different dispensations or administrations/stewardships - oikonomia; not denoting an age or a time period per se, but a different stewardship. Stewardship is like the running of a household. . .certain rules at certain periods. God's rules change. . .not God. . .but his rules. The "church" is not governed by the same rules as were the OT believers so that would make the church a different dispensation/administration under different stewardship.

The original Paradise - one administration/stewardship - do this if you don't you're out - Adam and Eve ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil - expelled from the garden - ended that stewardship held by Adam and Eve. With Noah - the rule - they lived by their conscience - man's wickedness on earth due to the searing of his conscience - the Flood ended that dispensation/stewardship held mainly by Noah . . . etc. The Church of the body of Christ, aka the Administration of Grace - began on Pentecost and will end with the gathering together, then the great Tribulation, the Millennial Reign of Christ and of course the Everlasting Kingdom which goes on forever.

I could compare it to the running of my household/the stewardship of my house. . .what are rules for my children when they are 1-5 will change when they reach 5-10, and from 10-13, from 13-18. . . that would be considered a dispensation of the rules, they change.
 

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''Prior to dispensationalism, Covenant theology was the prominent Protestant view regarding redemptive history and is still the view of the Reformed churches.''

Zone, and before Covenant theology? :rolleyes:
 

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[video=youtube;blYqM4HaWdw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blYqM4HaWdw[/video]
truthfully there is only one and it is not a building made by man, nor a denomination or non denomination
[h=3]Hebrews 8[/h]King James Version (KJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

[SUP]2 [/SUP]A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

He told Peter that his kingdom is not of this earth
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

So where is the kingdom of God and where do we serve and how? In Spirit or flesh
And are we called to have divisions?
1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Boast in nothing else except
Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
 

zone

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''Prior to dispensationalism, Covenant theology was the prominent Protestant view regarding redemptive history and is still the view of the Reformed churches.''

Zone, and before Covenant theology? :rolleyes:
ppl just believed in the simple New Covenant Promise of the Redeemer, the promise spoken to Abraham.
later, when they started talkin' and studyin', they called that Theology.

The Covenant + studyin' and talkin' about it = Covenant theology;)
 

zone

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Hi Zone :)

Let me see if I can explain. . .I do not think that I am what they call a Hyper-dispensationalist. . .lol. . .I am not sure. I do believe that there are different dispensations or administrations/stewardships - oikonomia; not denoting an age or a time period per se, but a different stewardship. Stewardship is like the running of a household. . .certain rules at certain periods. God's rules change. . .not God. . .but his rules. The "church" is not governed by the same rules as were the OT believers so that would make the church a different dispensation/administration under different stewardship.

The original Paradise - one administration/stewardship - do this if you don't you're out - Adam and Eve ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil - expelled from the garden - ended that stewardship held by Adam and Eve. With Noah - the rule - they lived by their conscience - man's wickedness on earth due to the searing of his conscience - the Flood ended that dispensation/stewardship held mainly by Noah . . . etc. The Church of the body of Christ, aka the Administration of Grace - began on Pentecost and will end with the gathering together, then the great Tribulation, the Millennial Reign of Christ and of course the Everlasting Kingdom which goes on forever.

I could compare it to the running of my household/the stewardship of my house. . .what are rules for my children when they are 1-5 will change when they reach 5-10, and from 10-13, from 13-18. . . that would be considered a dispensation of the rules, they change.
mkay.
but we already did this.

this idea here: "The Church of the body of Christ, aka the Administration of Grace"?....huh?

Ephesians 3
Paul’s Stewardship


1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles—2if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace which was given to me for you;3that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief.4By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,5which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit;6to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,7of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God’s grace which was given to me according to the working of His power.8To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ,9and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;10so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places.11This was in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord,12in whom we have boldness and confident access through faith in Him.13Therefore I ask you not to lose heart at my tribulations on your behalf, for they are your glory.


this isn't excluding jews - it's just speaking of God's GRACIOUS grace to include the gentiles - which was always the plan, but just made known VIA real time revelation to Paul, who was a steward OF THAT MESSAGE.

the church is jew and gentile.

there's no separation. and it's not some TIME break. where he soon turns back to PLAN A - jews.

like...really