Why are we christians in the habit of misapplying this text?

[SophieT]

Ah, No I am being faithful to the context. smile

don't know how to use the emojis either I see

you are being faithful to some little imp on your shoulder telling you to ignore Jesus because you are not a disciple

well actually not now, apparently, and certainly 'not then'

 

[TheLearner]

Well since there is no explicit statement in the Bible which says "This book is written for "TheLearner" why don't you go with your own logic? The Bible is not for you.

I do.

 

[TheLearner]

So why do those who claims the Holy Spirit is teaching them related to doctrine contradict each other?

 

[SophieT]

So why do those who claims the Holy Spirit is teaching them related to doctrine contradict each other?

do you notice how YOU are contradicting scripture?

same reason

 

[soberxp]

也许，许多的基督徒拥抱着（不信的必至灭亡）这句话之后，就无法理解圣经的真正意义了，我是说福音的真正意义。

 

[soberxp]

也许会有信主的人，羞辱了主，但这不在福音的考虑范围内，因为福音是给每个人的。也许那个叛逆的人是我呢？

 

[Justified]

Those verses are not speaking of the second coming. It is speaking of the Resurrection of Jesus.

Context still matters.

What would make you think I was referring to the second coming. Jesus was giving comfort and assurance to the apostles but we as believers are also given assurance and comfort. If you do not think these words are for all believers of all time then why do you bother with scripture at all. We were not there, none of it is current for us it is all 2000 yrs in the past.

If those words are not for us then neither are these, right?

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. NASB

 

[CS1]

From the context of Isaiah 7 the woman back then was already pregnant.

Footnotes

1. Isaiah 7:14 This prophecy of the virgin is declared in Matt 1:22, 23 to be fulfilled in the birth of Jesus. There has been a great deal of discussion over the Hebrew word found here for virgin (almah) and the word that Matthew uses (parthenos). The latter refers unambiguously to a virgin, while the former (almah) has been said to refer to a young woman, in contrast to the Hebrew word bethulah, which is the equivalent of the Gr parthenos. It has also been noted that the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew OT, has parthenos here for almah, and that Matt 1:23 is taken from the Septuagint. Some have wondered why the Septuagint translators used the more specific word parthenos. It is fair to say that this question is the result of oversimplifying the vocabulary and misinterpreting the distinctions. The Hebrew words almah and bethulah can actually refer to the same kind of woman; almah is a youthful woman of marriageable age, one who has not yet had her first child, while bethulah is one who has not been touched in an intimate way. Furthermore, in the present context it would be unthinkable to infer that the woman might have had sexual relations outside of marriage. So the well-known translation of “young woman” for almah, while technically not incorrect, can be viewed as too ambiguous for the Hebrew word and the context. Parthenos was an appropriate choice in the Greek. Another word, kore (for “girl”) could have been used, but it has a wider range of meaning than the Heb almah (Mark uses a related word, korasion, to translate Jesus’ Aramaic word talitha). It should also be acknowledged from a theological perspective that when Matthew cites the verse with parthenos, he thereby authenticates it as inspired.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Isaiah+7:14&version=AMP

the context as you were saying earlier in the New Testament was quoting Isaiah 7 as in context to the virgin birth of Christ. The language in the old as to my point there was now present time understanding of what Isaiah said then fore telling and forth telling of prophecy.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

John 14:26
But the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will cause you to recall (will remind you of, bring to your remembrance) everything I have told you.


We were not back then to have Jesus us tell us anything in person. In context Jesus is speaking only to the apostles, not to us today.

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”
‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[soberxp]

圣经确实是一本要参考上下文去理解的书，全方位的理解圣经，而不是断章取义的理解。

 

[Aidan1]

The apostles and prophets are the foundations. But the church is far bigger than just the foundations. People receive revelation from God, enabled by the Holy Spirit, 2,000 years after the apostles time. We need revelation. It's like spiritual manna, it needs to be fresh every day. Lord Jesus is the Word of God and He is the Bread of Heaven.

Revelation never contradicts the written word. But the written word is useless without revelation.

We already got revealation in the scripture. What we have to consider is to follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit and not man made doctrines and revealations.
To often people sell their meanings and understandings as guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

也许，许多的基督徒拥抱着（不信的必至灭亡）这句话之后，就无法理解圣经的真正意义了，我是说福音的真正意义。

1 Corinthians 14:6
King James Version

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

From the context of Isaiah 7 the woman back then was already pregnant.

Sometimes in Scripture there is near fulfillment of prophecy which occurs ... and sometimes there is ultimate fulfillment.

As you have pointed out, it appears there was fulfillment in the time of Isaiah. However, Scripture makes clear that the Lord Jesus Christ was the ultimate fulfillment of the prophecy:

Matthew 1:

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

 

[presidente]

John 14:26
But the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will cause you to recall (will remind you of, bring to your remembrance) everything I have told you.


We were not back then to have Jesus us tell us anything in person. In context Jesus is speaking only to the apostles, not to us today.

Consider what Paul writes to 'regular believers'

I Corinthians 2

9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

(NKJV)

 

[ForestGreenCook]

there are many of them let's start with the word of Jesus Himself in context to Believe John 3:17-18

15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus said YOU must be born again in verse seven

Paul said in Romans chapter 10:9-11

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

A person cannot believe in the things of the Spirit unless they have already been born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14. John 3:15, "whosoever believeth" (present tense, born again). John 3:16, The "world" in reference is "the world of believers"

I believe that you have a misconception of how a person is born again. The natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, has no ability to believe in, or accept, the things of the Spirit at the time that God quickenes him to be born again, and puts the Holy Spirit within him Eph 2:1 and 5. God gets all of the credit for your new birth. Mankind gets no credit for being born again. That is why it is said to be by the grace of God.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

John 20:29 "Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”"

Yes, we believe by spiritual faith, which is a fruit of the Holy Spirit that God puts within us as part of the new birth. The natural man, before he has been born again, has no spiritual faith. He only has faith in mankind, and what he accomplishes. 1 Cor 2:14.

 

[TheLearner]

What would make you think I was referring to the second coming. Jesus was giving comfort and assurance to the apostles but we as believers are also given assurance and comfort. If you do not think these words are for all believers of all time then why do you bother with scripture at all. We were not there, none of it is current for us it is all 2000 yrs in the past.

If those words are not for us then neither are these, right?

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. NASB

There is a difference between claiming a promise applies to all Christians and discerning principles that do. That is my reason for studying scripture IN Context.

 

[TheLearner]

We already got revealation in the scripture. What we have to consider is to follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit and not man made doctrines and revealations.
Too often people sell their meanings and understandings as guidance of the Holy Spirit.

That is exactly when people claim the HS taught them that. Which is why I asked why christians misinterpret that text that was given only to the Apostles by the HS. The Apostles were in person to hear Jesus teach them. It is what they heard that they remember. We are also told that everything Jesus did and said would fill way too many books.

 

[SophieT]

That is exactly when people claim the HS taught them that. Which is why I asked why christians misinterpret that text that was given only to the Apostles by the HS. The Apostles were in person to hear Jesus teach them. It is what they heard that they remember. We are also told that everything Jesus did and said would fill way too many books.

you have nothing to worry about

you obviously are not entertaining anything the Holy Spirit would convey

continue laughing too. you won't be later

 

[TheLearner]

Sometimes in Scripture there is near fulfillment of prophecy which occurs ... and sometimes there is ultimate fulfillment.

What examples of double fulfillments exists in the OT alone?